Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.
But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:
1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!
Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?
You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?
Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:
His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).
and you had better pray they don't set up a rematch anytime soon...Tito is washed up and ODLH is still going strong....Who's the real winner here?....Who's the champ? Remind me again...who retired because his skills are gone and his body aged faster than he did? ODLH for the first to and ole Tito for the last, as if you needed to be told that.....
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Oscar beat Tito, anyone who knows boxing knows that.. He decisevely won 8 rounds and outlanded him by over 100 punches.. DLH has also never been completely embaressed and outclassed the way Tito has in his 2 defeats.. So I disagree. I don't think this win does a whole lot for Oscar and I see your point about him feasting on Trinidads opponents, but DLH is still the better fighter by a stride I think.
Hey, at least you add "I think." It's more than most people do. You know, I've read tons of posts on this forum about how Tito was so embarrassed by Hopkins. Personally, I think Tito's showing against Hopkins wasn't as disgraceful's as Oscar's. But again, that's only my opinion. Yes, Tito was outclassed. Losing to one of the greatest 160-pounders in history is no shame in itself. Don't forget that this was Tito's 2nd fight at 160. His first one was a thorough beating of Joppy, someone everyone thought was great until Tito destroyed him. Then he was just a bum. Typical of Tito haters. I WILL cave on the Wright fight. I don't know what the hell was wrong with Tito that night. I was thoroughly disgusted with his showing, and I'm sad that was his last fight. Again, boxing fans, being the fickle group they are, only remember you for your last fight. They quickly forget how storied a career has been.
But having said all that, I commend you for expressing your points of view without sounding like some of the idiots on this board.
dude, tito got his ass kicked by Hopkins.....ODLH was hanging in there until that body shot....no comparison....and the wright fight?!?! are you kidding me....he made tito look like and old man/amateur...don't forget ODLH also faught in 6 more title fights (29-23) than tito in 2 fewer boxing matches (44-42)..De La Hoya has never suffered a beating worthy of retirement like tito has either....
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.
But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:
1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!
Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?
You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?
Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:
His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).
and you had better pray they don't set up a rematch anytime soon...Tito is washed up and ODLH is still going strong....Who's the real winner here?....Who's the champ? Remind me again...who retired because his skills are gone and his body aged faster than he did? ODLH for the first to and ole Tito for the last, as if you needed to be told that.....
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Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
After all the BS you've been spewing out about tito you've finally said something that made sense....Oscar De La Hoya threw away the fight by being to cautious in the last few round...Tito never beat ODLH...ODLH beat himself...and you said it....funny how that works...you ride tito's jock only to say ODLH lost the fight by running "like a bitch" is that how you put it? It's tito that has ducked ODLH since that fight....He knows ODLH beat him...and you do too....
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
Oscar had the Tito fight won. He gave it away. I'm a huge Tito fan. Oscar should have beat him then, but lets not overhype Oscar because he beat Mayorga. Oscar is older and only looked as good because Mayorga is stationary with limited boxing skills. Tito and Oscar are both older, both have chins, both can hit. Oscar can still outbox Tito, but don't have the mobility he used to. This fight will answer if Oscar can handle Tito's power. I still say Oscar is clearly the better boxer, but last time he tasted Tito's power, he ran. Oscar don't have the "D" that Winky or BHOP does. Tito hits sharper, and more accurate, and counters alot better than Mayorga. I'm not saying that Oscar would lose, but if he thinks he can walk through Tito, he will get KOd. Oscar could win an easy UD, but if he wants revenge, and is willing to step into the fire, Oscar will get hurt.
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
At least trinidad had the guts to fight Wright. Someone Delahoya avoided like the plague. And after the fight with Sturm you can see why ;)
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.
But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:
1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!
Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?
You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?
Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:
His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).
He beat Tito... thats all that matters Judges should be going round by round... it doesn't matter if he takes even 4 rounds off if he wins the first 8... and I would expect him to believe that, and hope he knows he won that fight just he knows didn't beat Whitaker or Sturm.
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Sturm was close, but Pernell won. Oscar beat Mosely though in their 2nd.
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
I thought Mosley won. As it was a case of Oscar throwing a lot of shots and missing and Mosley would dodge those shots so close you thought they landed thanks to Lampley screaming! It was a poetry in motion fight and it was a hard fight to score and a harder fight to follow. It's like a close fight that goes either way. Watching that fight with and without sound you see it differently each time
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Starr
I thought Mosley won. As it was a case of Oscar throwing a lot of shots and missing and Mosley would dodge those shots so close you thought they landed thanks to Lampley screaming! It was a poetry in motion fight and it was a hard fight to score and a harder fight to follow. It's like a close fight that goes either way. Watching that fight with and without sound you see it differently each time
Agreed. But I record every fight I watch, and watch it three times. Once with the sound off, once focusing on 1 fighter, then again focusing on the other fighter. After that, my view is set. The second fight wasn't as close as the first, and I had Oscar winning 7. The first fight, I had it 6 to 6, with Mosely getting the close nod for finishing stronger. Both fights could have been draws, and I wouldn't have complained.
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Starr
At least trinidad had the guts to fight Wright. Someone Delahoya avoided like the plague. And after the fight with Sturm you can see why ;)
This really doesn't show anything about Tito or DLH being better since they should be fighting at 147, 154 and not 160. Trinidad looked TERRIBLE against Winky but again it's not really a fair fight so it takes nothing away from the great fighter Trinidad is. I know Oscar would do better against him though...though he would still lose.
Re: Congratulations to Oscar. Now let's keep things in PERSPECTIVE!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Starr
At least trinidad had the guts to fight Wright. Someone Delahoya avoided like the plague. And after the fight with Sturm you can see why ;)
at least oscar chose to fight hopkins even after seeing what hopkins did to trinidad. tito clearly thought just like a lot of people that since wright doesn't have a punch he could knock him out.
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The thing is Oscar is still an active fighter who didnt retire like a bitch when he got beat.
Tito aint on the scene anymore so forget about it and give oscar the props he deserves
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i gotta be dislexic cuz sturm = strum, kluivert = kluviert, and countless other similar S*** >:mad
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
Gotta admit it. Oscar's performance impressed me last night. I was hoping for a Mayorga KO, but it wasn't to be. I predicted an Oscar win by UD, by the way.
But before we start nominating Oscar for President, let's keep some perspective. I think it's pretty funny how boxing fans see things the way they WANT to see them. When Tito beat Mayorga, it's because:
1. Mayorga fought a stupid fight.
2. Mayorga is not a true 160-pounder.
3. Tito got lucky.
4. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
But now Oscar beats Mayorga, and he's the best fighter in the history of boxing. Stop the presses!! Oscar for sainthood!!
Well, I hate to piss the De la Hoya fans off (again), but.....
Does anyone else see a pattern here? Tito destroys a fighter.... Oscar comes by later and cleans up the scraps. Happened with Vargas, happened with Campas, happened with Mayorga. Oh, I forgot.... Tito KO'd Vargas in 12, but DLH did it in 11. Tito KO'd Mayorga in 8, but DLH did it in 6. That means Oscar must be better, huh?
You know what? Forget about PBF being Oscar's next opponent. I've got a better candidate. How about......... Joppy?!? Or Oba Carr? How about David Reid?
Hey, I know Oscar's fans won't like this, but Oscar can beat PFB and ride off into the sunset on his white horse. But there's one thing he'll never get off his record and will never get payback for:
His loss to Tito in the biggest fight of his life, not in Puerto Rico where he could blame partisan judges, but in Las Vegas, close to his own backyard and in front of thousand of screaming, adoring fans. That thorn will always be sticking into his side. (Heh, heh).
Tito fan...Oscar beat Mayorga's a** & outboxed him. You have to admit Oscar did a better job because Mayorga came to Oscar to fight...he didn't against Tito. He just stood there & let him hit him.
Don't let your love of P.R. cloud your judgement...Oscar beat Mayorga...& he beat Tito...& if Tito steps up again...he'll get beaten...AGAIN. ;D
Mayorga didn't come in to fight against Tito?!?!? C'mon Wacko... say it isn't so. Not you too!! Damn, it's getting tiring to have to defend Tito from all the unfair and incorrect stuff some people want to pass off as truth. Hey, maybe Tito will come back and fight Oscar and maybe not. And who the hell knows for sure what will happen? But one thing's for sure. The judges in Las Vegas that night, in Oscar's backyard, on HBO, the network so in love with the Golden Boy, for some reason decided that Oscar had thrown away the fight. And THAT'S HOW THEY SCORED IT. Case closed. If they fight again, we'll see what happens. Until then, it exists as a W for Tito and a L for Oscar in the record books.
And for the record, wack..... please reread the first two sentences of my original post. I don't want to start another Tito vs. Oscar war over this (needlessly), but I'm not going to back down from another poster's ignorant comments, either. (And I'm not talking about you, ok?)
I'm not saying that you were trying to start anything nor did I mean that Mayorga didnt show up to fight...but he didnt attack Tito the way that he did Oscar. He didnt show Oscar the same ring respect that he showed Tito.
He tried to hop on Oscar & it cost him...dearly. The same will go for Tito. Most Tito fans, in restrospect, know how to score a fight...everyone knows that Oscar had that fight in the bag.
The second shot...if there is one...Tito will lose.
