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Originally Posted by cnote111
Very similar to John Kerry and George Bush....
Dont bring polictics into this or we really will have a debate on our hands! ;D
HAHA...very true....my bad...but i'm sure if you ask Kerry voters why they voted..you'll get the same answers if you ask a person who picked Mayorga....
Answer----- I HATE THE OTHER GUY!!!! :shrug03:
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In this scenario calculated predictors use....
My head says Oscar
My heart says Mayorga
;D
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Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
I agree with you 98.27% ....its just the anger part is where you lost me...No worries bro
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
Whoa did'nt mommy make packed lunch for you today...Haha
You need to lay off the E numbers ;D
Barrera has accomplished wayyyyyyyyy more than Paqauio in his career, WAY more. But what has this got to do with anything.
Oscar has done way more than anyone he has ever boxed, so?
Face it YOU got it WRONG and now your acting like a little kid cursing and all because you look silly for predicting a trash talking bum!
HAHAHAH!
And
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Originally Posted by NuthaPug
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What I want to know is what was the basis, besides sheer imaginative speculation, for anyone reasoning that DLH was not hungry, or was rusty or was too old?
Not a thing. Not a gosh-durn thing. :P
Come on, that's not fair. Rusty - hadn't fought a fight in a year and a half. Too old -
lost all three of the fights he'd fought in the last 3 years (because he didn't beat Sturm).
The dumb move was going from that to predicting that a hand-picked idiot who can't fight would have a shot at beating ODH anyway. I still think Oscar's past his prime--but I'd take a past-his-prime ODH every single time against a non-elite, undisciplined, no-defense talker like Mayorga.
Against Sturm ... yeah, it was sloppy. He was sloppy. Had he come in better prepared it would have been different.
You do seem to concede that this performance may raise some legitimate questions (chief among them the one begged by your statement, viz., "did he retain the ability to come in better prepared?"). And he didn't do anything to erase these questions by losing against B-Hop, regardless of whether that shouldn't be counted against him because he moved up in weight. And then the next fight was Mayorga.
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I think it was legitimate to <u>wonder</u> about age and ring rust, but to assume ... nothing but such things could have explained a Mayorga win. And if there was significant rust or age, and Mayorga was able to slip in and pound him - then the Mayorga win was possible, even if he doesn't compare to what DLH once was. (Though "still is" ends up being the case, doesn't it?)
That's all I thought we were talking about--"wondering." Wondering how far past his prime Oscar is now. That's all I was talking about anyway. Note my explicit statement in the post you were responding to that no matter how much you wondered about this, you still shouldn't have been picking Mayorga even 1 out of 10 against ODH, because the guy can't fight (and because there's no way Oscar's THAT far past his prime yet).
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So in my book you really haven't got much to stand on when you say that DLH is past his prime. Sure, he's 33, so he must be. But it doesn't look like it matters a whole lot, does it?
You'll note that I didn't mention his age. 33 is not old. Mayweather is 29. Winky is 34. Oscar's age in years was never the point. As far as whether his pre-Mayorga, uh, slump, "matters a whole lot," I think we'll have to wait until he fights someone as good as the people he was losing to before, rather than a hand-picked chump with zero defense who telegraphs all of his punches. How beating Ricardo Mayorga--who was on exactly no one's p4p list, or general list of elite fighters--suddenly proves that ODH can handle Winky or PBF (as numerous posters have said on these boards) is beyond me. But then again:
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It's just too easy to throw some numbers and some faulty logic into a blender and come up with "boxing analysis."
I concede that the Sturm fight was not Oscar at his best. But it didn't really raise questions for me about Oscar's ability any more than did Lennox-Rahman. It raised questions about how he viewed his opponent and how prepared he didn't come. Lennox' performance four months later could have been replicated by Oscar against Sturm had Oscar prepared for Sturm as he had for Mayorga. Those are the things I think about that fight.
Yes, you didn't mention age per se. But you want to use the last three fights as a way to measure age. Hopkins doesn't count. Sturm was lack of preparation. Mosely was very much like the DLH-Mosely of 2000 and btw I thought Oscar took the second fight. But even if he didn't he was operating at a level of DLH at his prime.
As for my last moderately snide comment about throwing some numbers and an opinion into a blender and getting back boxing analysis - I guess I'm just as capable of that as any.
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Keep talking. Please keep talking. You're just digging a hole. :) keep talking rookie.
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
Whoa did'nt mommy make packed lunch for you today...Haha
You need to lay off the E numbers ;D
Barrera has accomplished wayyyyyyyyy more than Paqauio in his career, WAY more. But what has this got to do with anything.
Oscar has done way more than anyone he has ever boxed, so?
Face it YOU got it WRONG and now your acting like a little kid cursing and all because you look silly for predicting a trash talking bum!
HAHAHAH!
And
It has everything to do with the situation. I was pointing out that everyone's favorite fighter loses sometime, including yours, your royal hineass. And I'll bet you were none too happy about it when Pac man kicked Barrera's ass.
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Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
im on hulks side here. its good when you predict a fighter to win, and its okay to tease someone a little because they got a pick wrong, but there is a limit to how far people should take it. there is a great variety of posters who back different types of fighters on this site. people dont always get it right. its part of showing some maturity not to over step the line when taunting someone who got it wrong. its just mean and petty. when a person sees their favorite fighter lose its okay to mock a little but know the limits, and show empathy because your favorite fighter is most likely to lose at some point in the future too. it all comes around and its not nice when its your turn.....
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Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
im on hulks side here. its good when you predict a fighter to win, and its okay to tease someone a little because they got a pick wrong, but there is a limit to how far people should take it. there is a great variety of posters who back different types of fighters on this site. people dont always get it right. its part of showing some maturity not to over step the line when taunting someone who got it wrong. its just mean and petty. when a person sees their favorite fighter lose its okay to mock a little but know the limits, and show empathy because your favorite fighter is most likely to lose at some point in the future too. it all comes around and its not nice when its your turn.....
Unless it's Sal, and he blames the loss on gloves! Ha Ha ! ;D
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sal, is a case unto his own....leave him out of any rational argument!! :P ;D
(just playing with ya sal!!)
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Originally Posted by Hulk
Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
Whoa did'nt mommy make packed lunch for you today...Haha
You need to lay off the E numbers ;D
Barrera has accomplished wayyyyyyyyy more than Paqauio in his career, WAY more. But what has this got to do with anything.
Oscar has done way more than anyone he has ever boxed, so?
Face it YOU got it WRONG and now your acting like a little kid cursing and all because you look silly for predicting a trash talking bum!
HAHAHAH!
And
Your posts are quite funny
but in all honesty how did anyone pick Mayorga against Oscar
I have to agree with him. Pac man isnt on the same level as barerra
I would place a large wager on MAB if they fought again
Manny is the most exciting fighter out there at the moment but hasnt fought half the competition as MAB
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Arguing with starr isnt the best idea....you might think shes being cocky in saying she will make you look like a fool...take it from someone who has been here for over a year...she can do it quite easily. Just a suggestion guys ;)
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Arguing with starr isnt the best idea....you might think shes being cocky in saying she will make you look like a fool...take it from someone who has been here for over a year...she can do it quite easily. Just a suggestion guys ;)
Youv'e been here a fwockin year & your'e still convinced that he's a she. ::** ;D :-*
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Originally Posted by B@rr3r@
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Alright you little bitch. Let's get something straight Oscar is not GOD and neither is your boy Barrera. Barrera was destroyed and pummelled by Pacquaio, and what has he done since? Has he sought redemption by demanding a rematch with Pac Man? No. He has beaten up on Paulie Ayala, Robbie Peden and now soon to be Rocky Juarez. And as for Oscar, he ran from Tito, lost to Sugar Shane twice, and took a dive against the Executioner. Ain't nobody perfect, so shut your damn mouth. You and 90% of the boxing world picked Oscar to beat Mayorga, congratulations. I stood nearly alone and picked my favorite fighter to win, and he didn't, and it was a terrible loss. I don't need little punks like you tryin to rub it in mine and others faces.
Yer but I never went round saying, Barrera was gonna end Pacmans career , and knock the little bitch out, and beat the pussy to a pulp.....
And Starr sorry I forgot you are the legend of a internet forum and I am only a Rookie ::**
;D ;D ;D ;D
Whoa did'nt mommy make packed lunch for you today...Haha
You need to lay off the E numbers ;D
Barrera has accomplished wayyyyyyyyy more than Paqauio in his career, WAY more. But what has this got to do with anything.
Oscar has done way more than anyone he has ever boxed, so?
Face it YOU got it WRONG and now your acting like a little kid cursing and all because you look silly for predicting a trash talking bum!
HAHAHAH!
And
It has everything to do with the situation. I was pointing out that everyone's favorite fighter loses sometime, including yours, your royal hineass. And I'll bet you were none too happy about it when Pac man kicked Barrera's a**.
