Re: Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?
Don't listen to Steve Collins' deranged thoughts on Roy Jones ducking him, by the way, because Collins asked HBO for 5 MILLION.
And let's be honest, Jones would of played with Collins and stopped him on cuts if anything.
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First of all Benn and Eubank were never the same after they each permanently injured a fighter in the ring, they both rapidly lost it starting around 94 or 95, which is when Roy was just coming into his dominence... Steve Collins body was falling apart by 97 or 98 and he was supposed to fight Calzaghe but he was getting whipped by his sparring partners so he retired. Calzaghe never called anyone out, made any noise, or had any big fights at all until Lacy... It's his own fault he doesn't have anyone on his record.. Why would a dominant US champion like Roy want to go to Wales to fight an unknown?? You really think the money would even be close?? Were talking about Roy Jones not Lacy, he could make much more fighting in the US and I know Calzaghe had never shown any interest in travelling there.
I think you're right except one thing, Joe did call Roy out when he wasn't shot. I remember seeing it on the Tyson undercard when he fought in Copenhagen - and it wasn't blowing smoke up anyones ass, the guy wanted to fight him more than anything. Still Joe's fault for not coming over :-\
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Still Joe's fault for not coming over :-\
Why should Joe have to go to the usa to, fight for a year or 2 on undercards for the chance of fighting Jones jr? calzaghe was a champ, a champ who beat eubank... he wasn't given that belt, ok eubank wasn't the same as he was in his prime, but he was still in damn good shape
Jones jr didn't want that fight, if he was the man people thought he was he wuda beaten calzaghe to prove for 1 he doesn't duck anyone, and 2 for the belt... no matter how good you are, a belts a belt.. if Jones jr wanted the fight a neutral place surly cuda been found. he never wanted to fight him, end of sotry.
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I think one reason Jones wanted to keep his fights in the States instead of fighting abroad was his bitterness about what happened in the Olympics.
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It's a bit naive to think Joe shouldn't have to come over here. England (as much as I love British fighters) will never be the epicenter of boxing, It's USA USA USA - noone compares, you link all the great fighters in history to this country. Joe should of wanted to be apart of that but instead he stayed over there blowing millions down the tube. And believe me, Americans would of loved Joe's style. Bottom line, Roy was P4P king according to EVERYONE. It was Calzaghe's job to come over here and he didn't.
This is coming from a huge Calzaghe fan
Also what bgordon said, being fucked in the olympics I know for a fact screwed us out of a Roy Jones/Dariusz Michaelsewski fight, probably the same reason Roy wasn't willing to go over to Whales.
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Still Joe's fault for not coming over :-\
Why should Joe have to go to the usa to, fight for a year or 2 on undercards for the chance of fighting Jones jr? calzaghe was a champ, a champ who beat eubank... he wasn't given that belt, ok eubank wasn't the same as he was in his prime, but he was still in damn good shape
Jones jr didn't want that fight, if he was the man people thought he was he wuda beaten calzaghe to prove for 1 he doesn't duck anyone, and 2 for the belt... no matter how good you are, a belts a belt.. if Jones jr wanted the fight a neutral place surly cuda been found. he never wanted to fight him, end of sotry.
;D ;D ;D Jones woulda Crushed Calzaghe. Joe wasn't even in his league. He didn't have to power to do any thing, what was he gonna do OUTBOX Jones??? ;D
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Still Joe's fault for not coming over :-\
Why should Joe have to go to the usa to, fight for a year or 2 on undercards for the chance of fighting Jones jr? calzaghe was a champ, a champ who beat eubank... he wasn't given that belt, ok eubank wasn't the same as he was in his prime, but he was still in damn good shape
Jones jr didn't want that fight, if he was the man people thought he was he wuda beaten calzaghe to prove for 1 he doesn't duck anyone, and 2 for the belt... no matter how good you are, a belts a belt.. if Jones jr wanted the fight a neutral place surly cuda been found. he never wanted to fight him, end of sotry.
;D ;D ;D Jones woulda Crushed Calzaghe. Joe wasn't even in his league. He didn't have to power to do any thing, what was he gonna do OUTBOX Jones??? ;D
Yea, that's the other thing.
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;D ;D ;D Jones woulda Crushed Calzaghe. Joe wasn't even in his league. He didn't have to power to do any thing, what was he gonna do OUTBOX Jones??? ;D
Don't think he woulda destroyed Calzaghe by any means...but it woulda been a good fight with a wack ass decision...in Jones' favor.
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I mean I know the guy didn't fight many TRUE middleweights but it takes a lot to have 20 defenses! More than Benn or Eubank can say!! Hopkins was cursed with a weak division and it ain't his fault no one persued him, I mean he was THE middleweight champ.
Same with RJ at 175, Daruis had many oppertunities to come to the US and fight but he didn't, so did Ottke, so did Calzaghe, by that time Eubank and Benn were old and I don't mind that RJ didn't fight Benn, he was a cheap fighter...he disabled McClellan not purposely but might as well have...McClellan was jobbed of that fight too, it's a TKO victory and G-Man is still fighting, I bet you 5 billion dollars had G-Man fallen through the ropes the fight would have been stopped!
I don't discredit those british fighters but it's apples and oranges!
Hopkins was blessed with a weak division, it was no curse!
If at any time he felt disatisfied he could have followed Jones, Toney, Eubank and Benn's examples and moved up.
He stayed where he was because he it was the safest and most sensible thing to do, not knocking the guy but to say he was cursed is way overstating it.
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When he first stepped into the ring did they not keep Oscar at a lower weight so he could beat up on smaller guys? Hopkins made a career out of it ;D
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;D ;D ;D Jones woulda Crushed Calzaghe. Joe wasn't even in his league. He didn't have to power to do any thing, what was he gonna do OUTBOX Jones??? ;D
Don't think he woulda destroyed Calzaghe by any means...but it woulda been a good fight with a wack ass decision...in Jones' favor.
Circa 1997-2003 Roy would have dissected Joe or anyone else that dared set foot in the ring with him, from 160-cruiserweight!!!
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;D ;D ;D Jones woulda Crushed Calzaghe. Joe wasn't even in his league. He didn't have to power to do any thing, what was he gonna do OUTBOX Jones??? ;D
Don't think he woulda destroyed Calzaghe by any means...but it woulda been a good fight with a wack a** decision...in Jones' favor.
Circa 1997-2003 Roy would have dissected Joe or anyone else that dared set foot in the ring with him, from 160-cruiserweight!!!
Kessler would have beaten a prime RJJ. Kessler is not beatable unless you KO him. He has never lost on points.
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Saddo, ban him now
Thats worse than a racist post....pls get rid of him
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Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?
Why fighting Morrade Hakkar, Howard Eastman and Scott Dann, when you are able to fight Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Watson, Eubank, Ottke and a lot of other good Europeans boxers. Why did they never fight them?
I doubt that RJJ and B-Hop could win over the Europeans - just watch how hyped Lacy was.
Young minded people are quick to point out stuff like this post especially after the recent Lacy-calzeghe fight. Bhop & Roy jones fought for the american fans. I have never heard any of those guys you listed except for Howard Eastman and Calzeghe. Who would want to spend 30-50 bucks to watch a big name guy fight a no body? I didn't even watch the Lacy fight although it was free...
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Saddo, ban him now
Thats worse than a racist post....pls get rid of him
Thanks...
Why do you think he became EU-champ? All the guys at the EU competition who came in second after Mikkel Kessler are now beating the american very easily........
