Who REALLY won the Hatton vs Collazo fight?

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Originally Posted by Starr

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I am saying that Mayorga going in and trading with Hatton is Hatton's gameplan. And Mayorga would be better served and have an easier fight not fighting Hatton's game. Get what I mean?

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But does Mayorga have another game? Or is he cast into his style and thus always susceptible to Hatton? I think so.

But we've now seen that someone with boxing skills, good defense and some power could dominate against Hatton. After the Tzsyu fight his swarming style seemed invincible, but it's not. Even if he drops back down in weight though he's going to be relatively stronger there. Castillo, Diego, etc - there would be some interesting fights to be made.

I voted Collazo win but probably shouldn't have voted. My source was Wacko DRBR and therefore my judgment suspect. No offense W! But it's like W getting two votes.

I'm sure Ricky will give him one too, in Manchester when Mr Collazo has something else to bring to the table.
The real winner of the fight may have been Don King.
It was funny watching after the winner was announced, Ricky was congratulating everyone and he got to Don king and checked himself halfway through as though he realised too late who it was.
Don king is the :hair_up: :flame: devil.

I think because Collazo was the champion, he should have got the benifit of the doubt. But that never happens anymore

He got sat on his backside, he needed to do more, he needed to knock Hatton out in that last round but couldn't quite manage it and theres the tale of the new champ.
Hatton was the aggressor all night long and he came to win, win ugly but still win.

I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

Hatton by three rounds, 116-113. My scoring for what it's worth: (Hat-Col) : 10/8 10/10 10/9 10/9 9/10 9/10 10/9 10/9 10/10 9/10 10/9 9/10.
Hatton not firing on all cylinders, but enough pressure and punches to nick a lot of the rounds. I suppose you have to remember this was Hatton's first fight at this weight whereas Collazo is a seasoned welter. You could see that Ricky couldn't bully like he did to Tsyzu, although it wasn't just the weight, it was the fast hand speed of Collazo. Ricky now knows he has to step up a level, if Collazo had more power, Hat may have been beaten in that last round. If Ricky can still do Light W then he should do it cos that's his natural division - I was always a bit worried when I heard on the saddoboxing interview that the extra poundage allowed him to have a few more bacon sarnies! His sharpness wasn't quite there but in his credit he bounced back in round 7 when he was looking clueless in the previous two rounds

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Since the judges messed it up, lets see if saddoboxing can get it right.

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Hatton won with at least 4-5 points. I guess that it is hard for the yanks watching an european beating an american in the states. In two or three years there will be not much american left in top boxing. Sad but true.

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Originally Posted by Ken Burton

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Originally Posted by Hulk

Since the judges messed it up, lets see if saddoboxing can get it right.

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Hatton won with at least 4-5 points. I guess that it is hard for the yanks watching an european beating an american in the states. In two or three years there will be not much american left in top boxing. Sad but true.

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First off, you are a tool. That is wrong and prejudice statement on many levels.

Second, I want to chime in on the fight. It could have been a draw, but I had it 1 or 2 points for Ricky. He doesn't win without the knockdown. Ricky lost the 12th, but he got off enough to keep it from being a 10-8 round. A rematch would be nice. After seeing this, I'm less confident about his prospects against other welterweights. His bull-in-a-china-shop styled didn't work as well against a bigger man.

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Originally Posted by Oggie

I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

Hatton won but he was begining to lose stamina and lose the fight.

Hatton dictated the pase and landed really good to the body, Collazo needed to stay on the outside more than he did.

Many of the punches Collazo landed were hard to see. Mostly the right hook because Ricky would immediately somther him after. You really could make a case for both guys though because Ricky was the aggessor. These kinds of fights can look very different from ringside. Remember, the judges can only score punches they see land and Ricky did score to the body a lot. A far from brilliant performance by both guys IMO but a good fight though.

I figured Ricky would KO him if he shot a right cross to the body then left hook to the head. Collazo was blocking decent at times when Hatton didn't mix up the attack well enough.

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Originally Posted by grayggr

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Originally Posted by Oggie

I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

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Compubox never tells the story of a fight, it is very inaccurate in my opinion. Anyway, Hatton landed a lot in the opening rounds, but then Collazo started to figure him out.
If a fighter lands, lets say, 100 punches in the first 4 rounds compared to about 20 for the other guy... if, from that point on the fighter who landed 100 punches only lands 20 punches a round and the other guy lands about 25 a round, Compubox will show that the fighter who lost most of the rounds landed more, so it is never accurate enough if you are scoring a fight on the 10 point must system.
But still, it was the type of fight that would be hard to score on first viewing so I don't blame anyone who gave Hatton the nod.

The thing that would make compubox better is if they used the punch stats in round form. IE Hatton could land 50 punches in one round and 10 in the next and 5 in the next to have 65 landed over 3 rounds and Collazo could have 25, 15, and 10 and have a total of 50 landed but he would have won 2 of the 3 rounds based on punchstats so you never know.

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Originally Posted by Oggie

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Originally Posted by grayggr

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Originally Posted by Oggie

I scored the fight 115-112 for Collazo last night and I re-watched it this morning and still came up with the same scoring... if anything, re-watching the 12th round again, you could have scored that a 10-8 round for Collazo.
Sure Hatton was the aggressor, but watch the fight closely... he landed very little meaningful shots from around the 4th round onwards. Most of the punches he threw either missed or hit the gloves/arms of Collazo. If you are still going to be scoring rounds for fighters who are having their punches blocked, then you are not following the rules. Collazo was hitting Hatton with nice combos and generally being all round more effective, although I could see how some people might score certain rounds for Hatton on first viewing.

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I think 'compu whatever it's called' had Hatton landing more punches with a 35% success rate and Collazo 30% success rate with less punches thrown.

Although I thought it was a tough call and perhaps more likely a draw as per my first post:

Overconfident, overawed, outboxed, that's how I saw the fight in the early hours of the morning. I am a huge Hatton fan and hold a natural bias for the man from my home town. BUT This was without a shadow of a doubt the most difficult performance/matchup I have ever witnessed of Hatton's, and I have seen the majority of them. What certainly was apparent was that Hatton could not bully in the ring at the new weight. I dont use the term 'bully' in a derogotory term as that is his style and that is the style I like to see, but he couldn't do it this morning. I really didn't think the fact that Collazo was taller, would be the difficulty, Hatton has faced taller compition previously (such as the Maussa), but it did prove difficult. As correctly noted by Sky in their commentary, Hatton kept getting hit by the right hook from Colazzo, and that was when he could see! His left eye was so badly shut by the latter rounds that he was getting hit with alarming regularity. I had the fight tight. I did think Colazzo was shook several times in the fight, but felt he definitely got through with the cleaner shots. Hatton did work hard as usual and did outwork as he normally does, but simply without the power and snap we are accustomed to seeing. I hate to say it but have to agree with Colazzo when he said he expects a guy to do better than that to take his title. I would have to agree. It now leaves unanswered questions about Hatton at 147. At 140 I think he is too strong a prospect but may have real difficulties with the bigger weight. I admire Ricky for moving up, fighting for a belt straight away and fighting in the states, but the man who really impressed me tonight was Luis Collazo, who was quick with his hands, courageous, gracious in defeat (considering the closeness) and a guy who can make giant steps in the welterweight division.

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Compubox never tells the story of a fight, it is very inaccurate in my opinion. Anyway, Hatton landed a lot in the opening rounds, but then Collazo started to figure him out.
If a fighter lands, lets say, 100 punches in the first 4 rounds compared to about 20 for the other guy... if, from that point on the fighter who landed 100 punches only lands 20 punches a round and the other guy lands about 25 a round, Compubox will show that the fighter who lost most of the rounds landed more, so it is never accurate enough if you are scoring a fight on the 10 point must system.
But still, it was the type of fight that would be hard to score on first viewing so I don't blame anyone who gave Hatton the nod.

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Accepted :)