Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
I think its the best thing Jermain could have done for himself. When he beats Wink this saturday he will officially become a star in boxing. I think he will win by KO.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
I'm sorry but this arguement that hopkins could have won but just didnt want to put in the effort is about as ridiculous as it gets. Look...its obvious that Taylor is much more skilled than Tarver. Hopkins was in the ring with a better fighter than his recent opponent. Plain and simple.
Nothing plain & simple about it.
Hopkins won the first fight.
Taylor won the second fight but only by the skin of his teeth.
Tarver, IWO, is a better fighter than Taylor based on the fact that Tarver beat a shell of RJJ which is a much better fighter than Taylor even in his current state.
If you think that Taylor is better than Tarver as a fighter then we gotta go out disagreeing.
I like Taylor...a lot...but Hopkins won the first fight, didn't do enough to win the second, & destroyed Tarver...something that I don't believe Taylor had the skills to do.
Everyone can try to dismiss the win that Hopkins took over Tarver out of spite...but the fact remains...he put on a stellar performance & totally outclassed & outworked Tarver.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
I think its the best thing Jermain could have done for himself. When he beats Wink this saturday he will officially become a star in boxing. I think he will win by KO.
Taylor is already a star...HBO has seen to that.
The thing is...he's been one since he started dropping 3rd teir opponents on ESPN 3 years ago.
If he beats Wright...which he could, but I doubt he will, then everyone that doubts him should applaude him.
I will...but I'd rather Wright win. Taylor's got his whole career before him.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
I think its the best thing Jermain could have done for himself. When he beats Wink this saturday he will officially become a star in boxing. I think he will win by KO.
Taylor is already a star...HBO has seen to that.
The thing is...he's been one since he started dropping 3rd teir opponents on ESPN 3 years ago.
If he beats Wright...which he could, but I doubt he will, then everyone that doubts him should applaude him.
I will...but I'd rather Wright win. Taylor's got his whole career before him.
No worries Wacko,there is no doubt in my mind that Winky will win but I am still giving credit and respect to Taylor for taking that fight and I will apploud him on the end of Saturday night.Winky by UD going to be great fight cant wait to get drunk and enjoy boxing night ;)
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by sillent killer
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
I think its the best thing Jermain could have done for himself. When he beats Wink this saturday he will officially become a star in boxing. I think he will win by KO.
Taylor is already a star...HBO has seen to that.
The thing is...he's been one since he started dropping 3rd teir opponents on ESPN 3 years ago.
If he beats Wright...which he could, but I doubt he will, then everyone that doubts him should applaude him.
I will...but I'd rather Wright win. Taylor's got his whole career before him.
No worries Wacko,there is no doubt in my mind that Winky will win but I am still giving credit and respect to Taylor for taking that fight and I will apploud him on the end of Saturday night.Winky by UD going to be great fight cant wait to get drunk and enjoy boxing night ;)
Taylor deserves all the credit in the world for where he is & where he could be...in all truth...he's one of the better up & comers @ 160lbs...but he will have his hands full with Wright, Sturm, Abraham, Miranda, & all the others coming out...the division is deep...the question is...can he hold his breath, sink, or swim?
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by BigLuke
I'm sorry but this arguement that hopkins could have won but just didnt want to put in the effort is about as ridiculous as it gets. Look...its obvious that Taylor is much more skilled than Tarver. Hopkins was in the ring with a better fighter than his recent opponent. Plain and simple.
Nothing plain & simple about it.
Hopkins won the first fight.
Taylor won the second fight but only by the skin of his teeth.
Tarver, IWO, is a better fighter than Taylor based on the fact that Tarver beat a shell of RJJ which is a much better fighter than Taylor even in his current state.
If you think that Taylor is better than Tarver as a fighter then we gotta go out disagreeing.
I like Taylor...a lot...but Hopkins won the first fight, didn't do enough to win the second, & destroyed Tarver...something that I don't believe Taylor had the skills to do.
Everyone can try to dismiss the win that Hopkins took over Tarver out of spite...but the fact remains...he put on a stellar performance & totally outclassed & outworked Tarver.
What do you mean outworked and outclassed........................................ ......................
I'd say he wooped him from the westcoast to the east! Tarver looked helpless to Hopkins' onslaught & got his azz dismantled! Remember I posted that cuz I had a big feeling that Hopkins' style would be too much for Taver & that Hopkins never lost to a southpaw
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
taylors stock goes up...even though b-hop won the first fight as we all know....if taylor is somehow able to pull out a convincing win against winky...but he wont....then i could argue to give him the #1 p4p spot just b/c mayweather wont fight anybody
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
Well see, the problem with this thread is that it doesnt matter what any of you think or what I think. The only ones that make the difference are the two guys standing in the middle of the squared circle. I figure that taylor dont give a damn whether his stock has risen in your minds or not. The real problem after the fights is that Bhop didnt respect taylor at all. While taylor heralded bhop as a great fighter, bernard downed taylor with his b*tch mouth. He dis-respects everyone so IMO, champ or not, he dont deserve any respect. Taylors a man, bernards a punk. He couldnt stand it that he lost, just like all you JT haters here cant stand it. Let me ask this question, you all dont like JT's decisions over hopkins, but I've watched Bhop along time, and all he ever does is win by decision and hands out an ocassional KO. It wasnt that long ago everyone questioned Bhop the same way they question taylor now. Truth is, against taylor, bhop knew he could only stand 6 rounds of real fighting and it lowered his chances of getting KO'd by taylor. If he would have fought the first 6 that everyone always cries about, he wouldnt have been able to finish strong in the last 6 rounds. Taylor is BETTER than bhop whether you all like it or not. Emanuel stewart said he thought taylor would beat bhop in their two fights but then after the last one said JT looked like an amatuer and he was dissappointed in his performances. HELLO McFLY, anybody home in there? Whos Taylors trainer now????? Thats right, ES. Dont believe he can make a difference in a guys skills? Look no further than Wvladimir Klitscho. As far as stock rising or falling, better be glad I added some facts to the thread to get everyones head out of dreamland. The stock had bottomed out but with my post of common sense and facts, it is quickly rising. But I'm sure someone will oppose me and throw the dogs another bone which will sadly decline this threads stock back to oblivion. ::**
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by "PRIDE OF PROVIDENCE"
I think that if there were no belts at stake Hopkins would have been supermiddle or light heavy like 2 years ago but thats another story... He stayed there to retain his belts...
But on to my point. Taylors stock has risen signifigantly in my mind after the one sided victory over Tarver... Hokins made him look stupid but as always Hokins style makes everyone look stupid. I'll be honest I dont think he made Taylor look that bad and that says alot for the skill of Taylor. I hated Jermain for beating X and even said X won the first of the exchanges. That being said I, after the Tarver fight, have found a new respect and admiration for the new champ... 8)
Fuk Taylor. Hopkins win makes Hopkins and ONLY Hopkins look better. He beat Taylor both times. His win over Tarver does not mean that Taylor is better than Tarver or much better than we thought or anything. It means he is smaller and faster than Tarver and has a more difficult style for Bernard. Nothing more. Hopkins beat Taylor both times.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by jman
Well see, the problem with this thread is that it doesnt matter what any of you think or what I think. The only ones that make the difference are the two guys standing in the middle of the squared circle. I figure that taylor dont give a damn whether his stock has risen in your minds or not. The real problem after the fights is that Bhop didnt respect taylor at all. While taylor heralded bhop as a great fighter, bernard downed taylor with his b*tch mouth. He dis-respects everyone so IMO, champ or not, he dont deserve any respect. Taylors a man, bernards a punk. He couldnt stand it that he lost, just like all you JT haters here cant stand it. Let me ask this question, you all dont like JT's decisions over hopkins, but I've watched Bhop along time, and all he ever does is win by decision and hands out an ocassional KO. It wasnt that long ago everyone questioned Bhop the same way they question taylor now. Truth is, against taylor, bhop knew he could only stand 6 rounds of real fighting and it lowered his chances of getting KO'd by taylor. If he would have fought the first 6 that everyone always cries about, he wouldnt have been able to finish strong in the last 6 rounds. Taylor is BETTER than bhop whether you all like it or not. Emanuel stewart said he thought taylor would beat bhop in their two fights but then after the last one said JT looked like an amatuer and he was dissappointed in his performances. HELLO McFLY, anybody home in there? Whos Taylors trainer now????? Thats right, ES. Dont believe he can make a difference in a guys skills? Look no further than Wvladimir Klitscho. As far as stock rising or falling, better be glad I added some facts to the thread to get everyones head out of dreamland. The stock had bottomed out but with my post of common sense and facts, it is quickly rising. But I'm sure someone will oppose me and throw the dogs another bone which will sadly decline this threads stock back to oblivion. ::**
:dummespost:No dude,the problem is in you,GTFOH if you going to trash talk about B-Hop. Taylor better then B-HOP,you know what have a SC on me. :sadclick:
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
IMO Hopkins did not due enough in the first fight to win convincingly. It was a close enough fight that it could have gone either way (Taylor win, Hopkins win, or draw). I think that if Hopkins had been a little more active earlier then we may not be having this threads. With fights that close you are leaving youself to the judges and we all know they tend to screw things up more than straighten them out. Second fight Taylor did win, barely but still won.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
IMO Hopkins did not due enough in the first fight to win convincingly. It was a close enough fight that it could have gone either way (Taylor win, Hopkins win, or draw). I think that if Hopkins had been a little more active earlier then we may not be having this threads. With fights that close you are leaving youself to the judges and we all know they tend to screw things up more than straighten them out. Second fight Taylor did win, barely but still won.
Again we agree to disagree my friend but thats OK,I think first fight B-HOP won,sec was closer could of go eather way. Only problem I do have with that idiot jman WTF,trashing B-HOP,posting ridiculous things,give the man respect and credit he deserved. Fricking prick >:mad
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by sillent killer
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
IMO Hopkins did not due enough in the first fight to win convincingly. It was a close enough fight that it could have gone either way (Taylor win, Hopkins win, or draw). I think that if Hopkins had been a little more active earlier then we may not be having this threads. With fights that close you are leaving youself to the judges and we all know they tend to screw things up more than straighten them out. Second fight Taylor did win, barely but still won.
Again we agree to disagree my friend but thats OK,I think first fight B-HOP won,sec was closer could of go eather way. Only problem I do have with that idiot jman WTF,trashing B-HOP,posting ridiculous things,give the man respect and credit he deserved. Fricking prick >:mad
I will agree with you on the B-hop trashing. I am more of a fan of Taylor's than B-hop but I dont think that Taylor is a better fighter than B-hop. I think Sat. showed us the true B-hop, I thought that the weight suited him better and he had more energy.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
:dummespost:No dude,the problem is in you,GTFOH if you going to trash talk about B-Hop. Taylor better then B-HOP,you know what have a SC on me. :sadclick:
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and you need to pull your head out of bhops hindquarters!
GTFOH hmmm.... Great... Taylor....Fight.....Over......Hopkins. Is that short hand for Great Middleweight J.Taylor wins Fight Over B.Hopkins? I knew you'd have to admit it sooner or later.
Re: **What does Hopkins win over Tarver do for Taylor's stock?**
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by sillent killer
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
IMO Hopkins did not due enough in the first fight to win convincingly. It was a close enough fight that it could have gone either way (Taylor win, Hopkins win, or draw). I think that if Hopkins had been a little more active earlier then we may not be having this threads. With fights that close you are leaving youself to the judges and we all know they tend to screw things up more than straighten them out. Second fight Taylor did win, barely but still won.
Again we agree to disagree my friend but thats OK,I think first fight B-HOP won,sec was closer could of go eather way. Only problem I do have with that idiot jman WTF,trashing B-HOP,posting ridiculous things,give the man respect and credit he deserved. Fricking prick >:mad
I will agree with you on the B-hop trashing. I am more of a fan of Taylor's than B-hop but I dont think that Taylor is a better fighter than B-hop. I think Sat. showed us the true B-hop, I thought that the weight suited him better and he had more energy.
Agree with you on this one :) I do think Taylor is great fighter,person and Champ,I have lot respect for Taylor and if he win on Saturday I will apploud him. I am true B-HOP fun just make me so >:mad when somebody trash talking,not giving any respect or credit to B-HOP accomplishments. That part is not on you bro its on prick JMAN
