sam peter vs. james toney is in the works!

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

according to boxingtalk.com

i gotta give the edge to james toney if he can get his fat a** in half way decent shape

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until he gets hit.....he has never been hit by a true banger.....Rahman doesn't count....

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What in the hell are you talking about, Rahman doesn't count... THat's all Rahman can do is punch...and he hit Toney with some big right hands... Peter basically sucks, imo... He is a sloth, Toney would make him look absolutely silly... I think if Wlad fought him again he could KO him fairly quickly, and I think that was a piss poor performance by Wlad in the first fight, people give him major props for that win... I see it as him almost being KOed by a total amatuer who had nowhere near the same physical tools, and isn't even on the same planet in terms of skill... I mean really, Wlad handled him just fine except for the 4 times Peter landed a punch on him, Toney can handle punches just fine, so he would beat him easier, imo, because he wouldn't have the mental baggage that Wlad did in that fight... I mean that may as well have been Wlads pro debut all over again he was just there to shake off his nerves and get comfortable.

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Besides totally bagging on Peter too much, I tend to agree. James Toney does have a great chin and Wlad does get a little too much credit for that win. Peteri is one dimensional that is for sure, but he has great power, chin and heart. Unless he improves his fundamentals he is probably gonna be a Tua or Shavers type of guy in the HW divsion for the next few years. The kind of guy who could KO anyone, but can be outboxed. I think this is a dumb move for Peter, he needs a guy like Mccline, Maskeav(after he fights Rahman), or Lance Whitaker or someone. Maybe Monte Barret. But James Toney is a master boxer and it's gonna be a tuff fight for Peter, less James comes in at 300 lbs or some ridiculous fukin thing.

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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Originally Posted by The_Mac10

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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i gotta feeling that toney trys to get into some kind of shape (besides round) for this fight
he has to realize how important this fight is and he has to know that he needs to BOX well for 12 rounds cuz if sam peter catches him with a good shot hes gonna go down.
i like toney by lopsided ud

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Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

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Originally Posted by The_Mac10

Peter is tailor-made for Toney.

Even a lazy Toney, like the one who fought Rahman, would probably beat Samuel. He comes forward and presses the action, and has little or no defence. James will have a field day.

Of course, some might say well Rahman went forward with Toney and had success, but Rahman is a very fit, very athletic heavyweight, and he was determined as hell. Peter can't maintain that kind of workrate.

And of course I doubt Toney will come in to this bout in as bad shape as he was for Rock.

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i gotta feeling that toney trys to get into some kind of shape (besides round) for this fight
he has to realize how important this fight is and he has to know that he needs to BOX well for 12 rounds cuz if sam peter catches him with a good shot hes gonna go down.
i like toney by lopsided ud

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Everybody thought that with the Rahman fight too, and he still came in FAT. I am not sure that Toney has the discipline anymore to stay in good fighting shape.

They said that when he balloned upto 200Lbs the first time, but he got back down.

His weight has fluctuated widely his whole career, especially after the Jones Jr. loss.

168 to 175 to God knows what, back down, Cruiser, heavy...

He knows he was fortunate not to lose the Rahman fight, and hopefully he'll get back on track. I know what you mean though. As he ages it must be getting tougher for him. And now that he's a HW he doesn't HAVE to make a specific weight, so while he will train to bring it down, in the back of his mind he must be thinking 'I don't need to hit a target, I'm a heavyweight'

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Originally Posted by The_Mac10

They said that when he balloned upto 200Lbs the first time, but he got back down.

His weight has fluctuated widely his whole career, especially after the Jones Jr. loss.

168 to 175 to God knows what, back down, Cruiser, heavy...

He knows he was fortunate not to lose the Rahman fight, and hopefully he'll get back on track. I know what you mean though. As he ages it must be getting tougher for him. And now that he's a HW he doesn't HAVE to make a specific weight, so while he will train to bring it down, in the back of his mind he must be thinking 'I don't need to hit a target, I'm a heavyweight'

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true, but......................
i think james knows that for this fight he needs to worry about NOT getting hit
toney has it in him and he has to know how important this fight is for him cuz if he loses, he gets knocked down a few rungs on the heavyweight ladder
this is make it or break it for fat boy
hes not gonna win this fight if he comes in looking the way he did in the rahman fight

One thing I hate about Toney is that he is good enough to take over the division if he got his weight back down to 220lbs or lower. He has tremendous skills and can outbox 99% of the heavies out there.

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Originally Posted by TyBuff

One thing I hate about Toney is that he is good enough to take over the division if he got his weight back down to 220lbs or lower. He has tremendous skills and can outbox 99% of the heavies out there.

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True.. He's just been lazy. Even at his age, Toney could beat them.

I really don't see Toney taking this fight.

This would be a stupid move on his part.

He has way more talent than Baby Huey, which isn't saying a lot, but he doesn't have the power to knock Baby Huey out and he can't allow himself to get hit once or else he will go to sleep!

Totally dumb matchup for Toney.

Peter's just gotta throw a lot of punches and go to the body, hit Toney's arms, shoulders, sides, anywhere and then maybe James will gas out and get caught late. But otherwise its a good style matchup for James, Peter doesn't have a jab like Rahman's that can win him rounds just on activity, and he only throws looping punches, and usually one at a time. If he just headhunts with one punch at a time he'll be missing all night.

As far as Toney coming in at a lighter weight, I'll believe it when I see it. Being a big Toney fan its just tiresome how little he cares about his career in between bouts.

IMO that's why it's a bad style match up.......because Peter may not be able to hit Toney's head but he will definitely be able to hit Toney's body.

Toney won't deter Peter with his punching either.

Wouldn't be good for Toney.

I used to be a Toney fan once.

Now i just want some one to blow him away.

Fat prick.

should be exciting ::**
2 fatties fightin.
peter is crap n if toney doesn't make him look silly, he should pack it in n just quit boxing. Thats how highly i rate peter :-*

Its my understanding that Peter will be fighting Valv in Dec 06 or Jan of next year MGM . Both will have fights before hand, but i think Peter would want to fight another stretch like Long to prepare for Valv . what good would fighting a 5'9 Toney be at this point ? IMO

if toney gets hit once he will be done