Winkys a damn baby

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Originally Posted by thegreatsd

You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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yeah, that's true...
I think the swollen eye was contributed by Taylor's defense, should of kept his hands up higher.

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Originally Posted by bilbo

It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by bilbo

It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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Wright came forward half the fight, and fought in center half the fight. Winky dominated on the ropes, Taylor dominated in the center. Personally, if Winky would have kept the steady output for the last few rounds, he might have won. But I think he was nearly gassed himself, and couldn't keep up the pressure. Taylor was actually punching his way off the ropes the last few rounds.

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Originally Posted by thegreatsd

You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by bilbo

It was a very close fight, closer than both the Hopkins Taylor fights in my opinion but a draw was fair.

I do think the swelling clearly affected Jermain in the last couple rounds so I'd favour him to beat Winky in a rematch.

Winky did a great job though, and it was probably the best and most competative fight of the year so far.

10/10 for excitment, gotta see it again.

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Let me just say this...I like both fighters...but I wanted Wright to win...& I think that he did.

Watch the fight again & check out that first headbutt. It totally took Wright out of his game. Wright still came back & did what he does...effective aggression. Wright backed Taylor up the entire fight...maybe a few rounds he took off to rest...but that should not have happened against the Undisputed Middleweight Champion of the World...hence the reason that Taylor's position is so disputed.

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I think Taylor was more affected by the headbutt that was responsible for his eye ballooning up, watch him pawing at it immediatley after the clash.

As far as him backing Taylor up, Wright's style is to come forward so I don't see the big deal there. Taylor's punches looked by far the more powerful, a few times Winky looked hurt and discourage whereas apart from the swollen eye, which was caused by a butt Taylor never looked hurt at all.

Still, great fight though, I think a rematch is inevitable and should be the most eagerly awaited fight this winter.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by thegreatsd

You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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Taylor has been known jabs rather than power punches throughout his career. Wright just negated his jab. As for his stamina, Winky looked gassed way earlier than Taylor. He was fighting for all 12 rounds without taking rounds off. I don't understand talking about Taylor believing the hype. There isn't a more modest boxer in the sport. He didn't say I won, he said good fight.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by thegreatsd

You could be right about the stamina issue but I don't think the state of his swollen eye gave him much chance in the last couple of rounds. You need to be fully functioning when you are in against guys as good as winky. Think Taylor did well in the last couple of rounds considering his lack of vision.

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He is right about the defense.

I've long been a fan of Taylor's...but to be a fan I think that you have to look at everything that makes or breaks your fighter.

Taylor concentrates on his power too much...he relies on it. It will be his downfall. Taylor's got an open defense as he always jabs & drops his guard to marvel at what his piston like jab did to the opponent. He's grown accustomed to hearing what a machine he is & he's been believing in the hype for the last 2-3 years.

You can't get set in your ways because anything can & will happen.

Stamina is another prob for Taylor as is relying on the power...it kind of goes hand in hand. The power that doesnt work results in the lack of stamina because he's waiting on power to take over & do the job when he is outmatched skill for skill.

Wright won that fight.

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You make a lot of good points there. I can't argue one way or the other about the decision as if Winky got it I don't think it would have been an injustice but equally so for Taylor as it was a really close good fight. I agree Taylor does rely heavilly on his power and I reckon this is a lot of the reason the guy is good to watch as he is vulnerable as well. I am a big fan of both these guys and pretty much all the decent fighters in the game today. One things for sure it was a great fight and there are lot of good match ups we have already this year and it looks like it will keep going in the right direction for boxing.

Who was the Promoters fighter, just curiuos

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by jman

To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

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Your'e welcome. ::**

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Thing is we ARE giving Taylor his due credit, he still lost the fight all credit given ;)

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by jman

To all you in this thread giving taylor his due credit.....thankyou. It is good to see there are some here that acutally call it like it is.

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Your'e welcome. ::**

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Thing is we ARE giving Taylor his due credit, he still lost the fight all credit given ;)

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I don't think its Taylor that needs due credit, its the judges. It was a good close fight, and couldn't have been scored any better. It could have easily gone either way.