Re: Bring back 15 round fights
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat
Does it seem when 15 round championship fights were around there were less controversies, mainly because someone had a better chance of getting knocked out, that things were better and more exciting?
back when safety was not a concern 15 rds was the norm....but since we grew brains and decided to protect the fighters and increase their longevity 12rds is more than enough.....heck why not drop back down to the 8oz gloves again while we're at it.....how about we just go back to unlimited rounds and don't stop until we have someone KO'd or quits....come on people!!!!!!!! 12rds is plenty.............
I agree. I voted to bring back 15. I always thnk about it when I am watching a close fight. I voted with my heart though. My brain says 15 is too much.
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Its common sense really.
Knowing they would only have to fight hours later, fighters would d=drop less weight than now. If fighters entered the ring in the state they turn up to weigh ins now, they would never expect themselves to stand up in a strong wind let alone win a fight.
For example look at the pics of Cotto at the weigh in and the fight. You think if it was a same day weigh in Cotto would of turned up like he did for a day before weigh in and try to fight like that only a few hours later. Even in a sport with a high number of uneducated competitors, you wouldnt find many people that would try that.
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Tuck the reason they stopped 15 rounders was the fear of dehydration they dropped it to 12 to try and stop it. By doing it they have made it worse, and a bigger danger. Im not going to give a talk on Human anatomy, just trust me, the body cooling system doesnt work when dehydrated, thats the danger all the time Cobras got the right idea. Why is it in top Heavyweight bouts, who take the heavier shots, the damage is lesser than the lesser weight classes, I think its because they dont make weight. Ive seen things you wont beleive
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
I vote no, can you imagine watching Rahman - Toney for another 3 rounds, talk about painful!!
Here's an idea though, an optional 13th round in title fights that result in a draw.............
only in title fights though
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Here's an idea though, an optional 13th round in title fights that result in a draw.............
only in title fights though
Been tried, and was not a success in USBA fights (look for DeWitt/Thorton, November 1987). Very dangerous for fighters to warm down waiting for a decision, only then have to fight another round.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=003343
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Its common sense really.
Knowing they would only have to fight hours later, fighters would d=drop less weight than now. If fighters entered the ring in the state they turn up to weigh ins now, they would never expect themselves to stand up in a strong wind let alone win a fight.
For example look at the pics of Cotto at the weigh in and the fight. You think if it was a same day weigh in Cotto would of turned up like he did for a day before weigh in and try to fight like that only a few hours later. Even in a sport with a high number of uneducated competitors, you wouldnt find many people that would try that.
The day before weight in was not to the benefit of opponents, it was for fighters who drained themselves to the very last drop, then had to rehydrate hours before the fight. Please neve rmention common sense, there is no commonality to sense. This makes sense to me, but not you.
If you only have hours to rehydrate, you are bound to be in worse condition.
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Here's an idea though, an optional 13th round in title fights that result in a draw.............
only in title fights though
Been tried, and was not a success in USBA fights (look for DeWitt/Thorton, November 1987). Very dangerous for fighters to warm down waiting for a decision, only then have to fight another round.
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=003343
Valid point, do you always have a window open to boxrec? Your knowledge is friggin amazing..........
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Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Tuck the reason they stopped 15 rounders was the fear of dehydration they dropped it to 12 to try and stop it. By doing it they have made it worse, and a bigger danger. Im not going to give a talk on Human anatomy, just trust me, the body cooling system doesnt work when dehydrated, thats the danger all the time Cobras got the right idea. Why is it in top Heavyweight bouts, who take the heavier shots, the damage is lesser than the lesser weight classes, I think its because they dont make weight. Ive seen things you wont beleive
How does dropping the rounds from 15 to 12 hurt fighter hydration. You don't think that a fighter is more hydrated in the 12th than he is the 15th? If it takes an anotomy lesson please give it. I'm a college educated adult, I can handle it. Please explain how this would work.
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Originally Posted by killersheep
Valid point, do you always have a window open to boxrec? Your knowledge is friggin amazing..........
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LOL, Boxrec is an easy way sometimes to back up a point. ;)
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Its common sense really.
Knowing they would only have to fight hours later, fighters would d=drop less weight than now. If fighters entered the ring in the state they turn up to weigh ins now, they would never expect themselves to stand up in a strong wind let alone win a fight.
For example look at the pics of Cotto at the weigh in and the fight. You think if it was a same day weigh in Cotto would of turned up like he did for a day before weigh in and try to fight like that only a few hours later. Even in a sport with a high number of uneducated competitors, you wouldnt find many people that would try that.
The day before weight in was not to the benefit of opponents, it was for fighters who drained themselves to the very last drop, then had to rehydrate hours before the fight. Please neve rmention common sense, there is no commonality to sense. This makes sense to me, but not you.
If you only have hours to rehydrate, you are bound to be in worse condition.
But if you only have hours to rehydrate your not gonna push your body to that dangerous lower limit.
The problem is by starving themselves of fluid as many boxer's do more now, the boxer's are putting themselves in more. The fluid around the brain that is drained is the last to be replenished and this is not sufficiently in a 24 hour period so boxer's who excessively drain themselves cos they believe they will replace the electrolytes in their body in these 24 hours.
Same day weigh ins meant generally boxers drained themselves less and were safer in this respect.
Another danger of day before weigh ins is the large disparity seen in weights on fight night. One could argue, what is the point of having multiple weights to increase safety when previous day weigh ins mean that we could effectively have a welterweight facing a super middleweight???
Re: Bring back 15 round fights
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Even in a sport with a high number of uneducated competitors, you wouldnt find many people that would try that.
Uneducated competitors? Hey I take offense to that ! I smart I smart! ;D
I think that maybe the by product of 15 Rounds would be more fighters would lose the weight the right way, instead sitting in sauna chewing gum and spitting in a bucket. IMO
P.S. Damn I wish I was as educated as say as Basketball player or a Defensive lineman! Dough!!!!!!!!!!! :LOS:
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by AC-Cobra
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Originally Posted by tuckwopat
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Look at facts it wasnt
I think you were replying to me so: Please feel free to point me in the direction of the facts.
Even in a sport with a high number of uneducated competitors, you wouldnt find many people that would try that.
Uneducated competitors? Hey I take offense to that ! I smart I smart! ;D
I think that maybe the by product of 15 Rounds would be more fighters would lose the weight the right way, instead sitting in sauna chewing gum and spitting in a bucket. IMO
P.S. Damn I wish I was as educated as say as Basketball player or a Defensive lineman! Dough!!!!!!!!!!! :LOS:
Haha, nice. There are a high number of uneducated competitors however and this can be a lot more dangerous in a sport such as boxing. Whilst football is dangerous, it is nowhere close to Boxing and Basketball, what they gonna do hit their head on the rim? ;D
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But if you only have hours to rehydrate your not gonna push your body to that dangerous lower limit.
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To believe that boxers wouldn't attempt to push their bodies to dangerous limits is nonsense. If they were all that rational, their wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Boxers put themselves through exteme conditions to meet the weight limits, and pushing them to do a weigh in the day of the fight will only make it worse. They will struggle to meet those conditions, but go through hell trying to get back to normal.
And if you can assume that they wouldn't do this, then you would have to assume that they never have. Which of course they have. Thats why the rule was changed.
