Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
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Originally Posted by BK
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
Now the point was Pernell and Meldric showed that Chavez can not only be beaten but demolished if he faces an opponent with extreme technical boxing skills, guess what PBF has extreme technical boxing skills.
Taylor demolish Chavez? The fight was painfully close (literally and figuratively for Meldrick) going into the 12th. I think you forget even if the fight had somehow gone the distance, Taylor would of only won by Split decision...
If the last round was scored 10/8 to Chavez, the fight would of been scored...
115-112(Taylor) 115-112 (Chavez) 116-111 (Taylor) ;)
Sure! It was a Oscar De La Hoya type scorecard, I am sure you agreed with one of the judges who scored the Oscar-Quartey fight 116-112 in favor of Oscar, or maybe the 114-114 in the Chavez-Whitaker fight, or better yet the 114-114 in the Lewis-Holyfield fight, I don't care about the bogus Don King scorecards. What did you score the fight?
For the examples you gave, I had De la Hoya winning the Quartey fight by a couple of rounds, Whitaker up by four and Lewis winning just.
I have no problem with a de la Hoya's win over Quartey, I had no problem with the Lewis/Holyfield draw... IMO far too many, got far too excited about far too little, you want be serious about sorting out corruption go and watch Everett/Escalera, that is an out and out robbery...
But back to the point, I had Taylor up 7/4 going into the final round... it was a close fight and on your own admission Chavez was closing in on Taylor late. ;)
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by BK
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
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Originally Posted by BK
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
Now the point was Pernell and Meldric showed that Chavez can not only be beaten but demolished if he faces an opponent with extreme technical boxing skills, guess what PBF has extreme technical boxing skills.
Taylor demolish Chavez? The fight was painfully close (literally and figuratively for Meldrick) going into the 12th. I think you forget even if the fight had somehow gone the distance, Taylor would of only won by Split decision...
If the last round was scored 10/8 to Chavez, the fight would of been scored...
115-112(Taylor) 115-112 (Chavez) 116-111 (Taylor) ;)
Sure! It was a Oscar De La Hoya type scorecard, I am sure you agreed with one of the judges who scored the Oscar-Quartey fight 116-112 in favor of Oscar, or maybe the 114-114 in the Chavez-Whitaker fight, or better yet the 114-114 in the Lewis-Holyfield fight, I don't care about the bogus Don King scorecards. What did you score the fight?
For the examples you gave, I had De la Hoya winning the Quartey fight by a couple of rounds, Whitaker up by four and Lewis winning just.
I have no problem with a de la Hoya's win over Quartey, I had no problem with the Lewis/Holyfield draw... IMO far too many, got far too excited about far too little, you want be serious about sorting out corruption go and watch Everett/Escalera, that is an out and out robbery...
But back to the point, I had Taylor up 7/4 going into the final round... it was a close fight and on your own admission Chavez was closing in on Taylor late. ;)
BK - If Holyfield won 3 rounds in 1st Lewis fight it was being generous
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by gbrandon
Let's say we agree with you and that's true, you should be able to pull out more than two rounds in a mega fight prime or no prime (which he was far beyond a shot fighter and with zero losses and great performances in his previous fights) and he could not do that against Pernell
Do not fall into DKP spin, the Chavez '0' is a myth...
JCC lost his 12th bout
The Ring books of the time clearly showed this.
But then Tyson gets put into prison and Chavez is Don King's main man, and all of a sudden that 'loss' disappears from Chavez's record.
On an entirely separate note ABC TV proved Don King paid The Ring to rate his fighters for the ill fated Ring/DKP sponsored 'United States Boxing Championship' in the 70s...
;)
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by BIG H
BK - If Holyfield won 3 rounds in 1st Lewis fight it was being generous
I have watched it a couple times since, but I still see Lewis being far too respectful and not working hard enough.
I know I am huge minority but I really have no problem with that fight being scored a draw, I had Lewis winning but only just, and being British I am also have a bias to Lennox...
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by BK
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Originally Posted by BIG H
BK - If Holyfield won 3 rounds in 1st Lewis fight it was being generous
I have watched it a couple times since, but I still see Lewis being far too respectful and not working hard enough.
I know I am huge minority but I really have no problem with that fight being scored a draw, I had Lewis winning but only just, and being British I am also have a bias to Lennox...
I will say that whilst I hate 10-10- rounds there were certainly a few in that fight - and you are spot on about Lewis showing too much respect
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by BK
Cannot really match up prime for prime IMO, because Chavez peaked in November 87 against Rosario at 135lbs, and Mayweather was either at his best at 130lbs or 147lbs...
But I take Chavez to win by close decision at 130lbs, and to win a lot easier at 135lbs by decision.
Mayweather to edge a points decision at 140, and to win a very comfrotable decision at 147lbs.
Isn't 147lbs Mayweather's absolute worst fighting weight thus far?
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by raleights
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Originally Posted by BK
Cannot really match up prime for prime IMO, because Chavez peaked in November 87 against Rosario at 135lbs, and Mayweather was either at his best at 130lbs or 147lbs...
But I take Chavez to win by close decision at 130lbs, and to win a lot easier at 135lbs by decision.
Mayweather to edge a points decision at 140, and to win a very comfrotable decision at 147lbs.
Isn't 147lbs Mayweather's absolute worst fighting weight thus far?
I do not think so. Against Mitchell and Zab Zab, he has IMO looked as good as he was in his period as a 130lber. I think he dipped slightly at 135 and 140lbs...
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
You guys are forgeting a huge factor... Chavez was PASS his prime when he fought Pernell. And in the second Taylor fight (or the 12 round in the first ;D) he adopted to his boxing style and he got KTFO.
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
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Originally Posted by BK
Cannot really match up prime for prime IMO, because Chavez peaked in November 87 against Rosario at 135lbs, and Mayweather was either at his best at 130lbs or 147lbs...
But I take Chavez to win by close decision at 130lbs, and to win a lot easier at 135lbs by decision.
Mayweather to edge a points decision at 140, and to win a very comfrotable decision at 147lbs.
What he said.
Re: Julio Cesar Chavez Vs Floyd Mayweather
This kinda reminds me of back when Ali was going through everybody that he fought. People started coming up with hypothetical matchups of who woulda, coulda, shoulda beaten Ali. Looks like that's what's going on with Floyd now. He's having a fairly easy time with the current crop. So people are resorting to fantasy fights.
I think Frankie Randall would have had two victories against Chavez, but he got jobbed in the rematch. Considering what Randall, Whittaker, and Meldrick Taylor did against Chavez, Floyd would have put on a clinic. ;)
