Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by The Game
To whoever said Tony has signed to fight Cosme Rivera....errr,that fight has yet to be made and it is a mandatory although I hope he does not take it. It looks like Tony will be fighting Clottey which would be another dangerous match as Clottey was beating the current "man" Baldomir easily until he was DQed.
And to whoever said you pay your dues,I suggest you go and check your history about Margarito,pro since 15,faced everyone he can etc etc,that's paying your dues.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
To people who say he's overated, he hasn't even had a chance to prove himself against the elite, don't tell me about he doesn't deserve his shot cos of the way he fauight against Santos because Floyd wasn't exactly convincing against Castillo was he?
All I'm saying is that you can say Margarito is overated when he is beaten by at least a B+ fighter, personally if he can't get a Mosely/Mayweather/Hatton/Winky then I'd love to see him fight Kassim Ouma. That would be a terrific fioght because Kassim could very conceivably box him for 12 rounds straight, but also has a slight vunerability in his chin, thus giving us a Bull vs Matador style fight which I love to watch, very ala Sam Peter vs Wlad but without the height difference.
Excellent points CC. The only thing I disagree with is going up to 154,all the big fights are at 147 and I'd prefer him to stay there and fight dangermen like Collazo,Quintana etc etc. He is headlining December 2 with Cotto so that's a chance for Tony to gain even more exposure.
I said Margarito had signed to fight Rivera... sorry was meaning talked about fighting Rivera, who gives a sh*t if he's a mandatory, belts don't mean S***. Should have fought Wright & tried to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
I totally disagree because if mandatories were inforced by a more powerful commision then guys like Mayweather wouldn't be able skate through all the devisions and would be forced to fight the toughest competition. It seems that in most sports winners eventually face other winners for ONE championship and the managers and cable networks have nothing to sat about it.
Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
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Originally Posted by maracho
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I would never trust any promoter but to say that the 4 million was never offered by Arum and yet defend Winky/Oscars measley offer to Margarito means that you cant accept reality.
I didn't say that. I said that Arum offered Winky 8 mil.. Wink said get him more money, he offers 8 million to Floyd and Floyd turns it down, so you're telling me Arum couldn't have offered 8 million to Winky Wright ??? ::** Whenever someone calls Margarito's bluff he says "talk to Arum" and Arum makes sure that the fight doesn;'t happen and throws Margarito in with a bum and then say people are ducking him which is why he is fighting the bum ::**
Why would Winky need more than 8 million to fight Margarito when he only made like 3 million to fight Taylor?
Provide some evidence when quoting people too.
Here, straight from fightnews, a Margarito response to when Rivera called his bluff
WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margaritio has responded to the call out of WBA junior middleweight champion Jose Rivera:
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"I won't take anything away from you. I won't question who you've beat to win your titles, or why you still have to work a full time job time when you are a three time world champion. I won't question any of your credentials, but it seems like you're very insecure of your status in boxing. I know who you are, where you're from. There's no need for the bio.....I accept your challenge the same way I accepted Cory Spinks' challenge," writes Margarito, "but I'm also going to tell you the same thing I told Spinks, 'You need to speak to your promoter and have him call mine.' It's that simple, have Don call Bob. If this fight does not materialize, you need to know it was because your promoter did not make the phone call. If he doesn't make the phone call, you should thank him for helping you to keep your title a little longer."
--Antonio Margarito, The Most Feared Man In Boxing
Same ole bullshit "speak to my promoter" nonsense, he knows Bob wouldn't let him fight Rivera ::**
no response eh ;)
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by maracho
I would never trust any promoter but to say that the 4 million was never offered by Arum and yet defend Winky/Oscars measley offer to Margarito means that you cant accept reality.
I didn't say that. I said that Arum offered Winky 8 mil.. Wink said get him more money, he offers 8 million to Floyd and Floyd turns it down, so you're telling me Arum couldn't have offered 8 million to Winky Wright ??? ::** Whenever someone calls Margarito's bluff he says "talk to Arum" and Arum makes sure that the fight doesn;'t happen and throws Margarito in with a bum and then say people are ducking him which is why he is fighting the bum ::**
Why would Winky need more than 8 million to fight Margarito when he only made like 3 million to fight Taylor?
Provide some evidence when quoting people too.
Here, straight from fightnews, a Margarito response to when Rivera called his bluff
WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margaritio has responded to the call out of WBA junior middleweight champion Jose Rivera:
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"I won't take anything away from you. I won't question who you've beat to win your titles, or why you still have to work a full time job time when you are a three time world champion. I won't question any of your credentials, but it seems like you're very insecure of your status in boxing. I know who you are, where you're from. There's no need for the bio.....I accept your challenge the same way I accepted Cory Spinks' challenge," writes Margarito, "but I'm also going to tell you the same thing I told Spinks, 'You need to speak to your promoter and have him call mine.' It's that simple, have Don call Bob. If this fight does not materialize, you need to know it was because your promoter did not make the phone call. If he doesn't make the phone call, you should thank him for helping you to keep your title a little longer."
--Antonio Margarito, The Most Feared Man In Boxing
Same ole bullshit "speak to my promoter" nonsense, he knows Bob wouldn't let him fight Rivera ::**
no response eh ;)
My response is that rivera is in a higher much less exiting weight clas, he was beaten by Collazo, is relatively unknown and no one has much interset in seeing the fight.
AND you are grabbing at straws.
Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
I think that Margarito wants to fight the smaller guys so he has a better chance, but I give him a win only over Ouma, but he'd get his azz handed by Winky or Ishe
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by maracho
I would never trust any promoter but to say that the 4 million was never offered by Arum and yet defend Winky/Oscars measley offer to Margarito means that you cant accept reality.
I didn't say that. I said that Arum offered Winky 8 mil.. Wink said get him more money, he offers 8 million to Floyd and Floyd turns it down, so you're telling me Arum couldn't have offered 8 million to Winky Wright ??? ::** Whenever someone calls Margarito's bluff he says "talk to Arum" and Arum makes sure that the fight doesn;'t happen and throws Margarito in with a bum and then say people are ducking him which is why he is fighting the bum ::**
Why would Winky need more than 8 million to fight Margarito when he only made like 3 million to fight Taylor?
Provide some evidence when quoting people too.
Here, straight from fightnews, a Margarito response to when Rivera called his bluff
WBO welterweight champion Antonio Margaritio has responded to the call out of WBA junior middleweight champion Jose Rivera:
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"I won't take anything away from you. I won't question who you've beat to win your titles, or why you still have to work a full time job time when you are a three time world champion. I won't question any of your credentials, but it seems like you're very insecure of your status in boxing. I know who you are, where you're from. There's no need for the bio.....I accept your challenge the same way I accepted Cory Spinks' challenge," writes Margarito, "but I'm also going to tell you the same thing I told Spinks, 'You need to speak to your promoter and have him call mine.' It's that simple, have Don call Bob. If this fight does not materialize, you need to know it was because your promoter did not make the phone call. If he doesn't make the phone call, you should thank him for helping you to keep your title a little longer."
--Antonio Margarito, The Most Feared Man In Boxing
Same ole bullshit "speak to my promoter" nonsense, he knows Bob wouldn't let him fight Rivera ::**
no response eh ;)
My response is that rivera is in a higher much less exiting weight clas, he was beaten by Collazo, is relatively unknown and no one has much interset in seeing the fight.
AND you are grabbing at straws.
You Margarito fans use so many excuses to keep your fighter legit ::** Yet if someone said the same thing about Margarito fighting someone you would say he was "ducking" Margarito ::**
Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
Honestly Margarito is a good fighter, but he's not GOD, nor close to it, YES he may have what it takes to beat Floyd, but definately not everyone! I'd like to see him fight Oscar at 154 or Ishe Smith
Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
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Originally Posted by The Game
To whoever said Tony has signed to fight Cosme Rivera....errr,that fight has yet to be made and it is a mandatory although I hope he does not take it. It looks like Tony will be fighting Clottey which would be another dangerous match as Clottey was beating the current "man" Baldomir easily until he was DQed.
And to whoever said you pay your dues,I suggest you go and check your history about Margarito,pro since 15,faced everyone he can etc etc,that's paying your dues.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
To people who say he's overated, he hasn't even had a chance to prove himself against the elite, don't tell me about he doesn't deserve his shot cos of the way he fauight against Santos because Floyd wasn't exactly convincing against Castillo was he?
All I'm saying is that you can say Margarito is overated when he is beaten by at least a B+ fighter, personally if he can't get a Mosely/Mayweather/Hatton/Winky then I'd love to see him fight Kassim Ouma. That would be a terrific fioght because Kassim could very conceivably box him for 12 rounds straight, but also has a slight vunerability in his chin, thus giving us a Bull vs Matador style fight which I love to watch, very ala Sam Peter vs Wlad but without the height difference.
Excellent points CC. The only thing I disagree with is going up to 154,all the big fights are at 147 and I'd prefer him to stay there and fight dangermen like Collazo,Quintana etc etc. He is headlining December 2 with Cotto so that's a chance for Tony to gain even more exposure.
So Margarito against Winky Wright, Kassim Ouma, Alex Garcia, Ike Quartey, Vernon Forrest or Spinks wouldn't be big fights at 154? All there is at 147 is Mayweather. And maybe Quintana. The real big fights are at 154.
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I don't see what the fuss is about Margarito. He looks really good against fighters that are one dimensional. How will he look against someone who knows how to duck?
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Originally Posted by maracho
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by The Game
To whoever said Tony has signed to fight Cosme Rivera....errr,that fight has yet to be made and it is a mandatory although I hope he does not take it. It looks like Tony will be fighting Clottey which would be another dangerous match as Clottey was beating the current "man" Baldomir easily until he was DQed.
And to whoever said you pay your dues,I suggest you go and check your history about Margarito,pro since 15,faced everyone he can etc etc,that's paying your dues.
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Originally Posted by yoitsdan
To people who say he's overated, he hasn't even had a chance to prove himself against the elite, don't tell me about he doesn't deserve his shot cos of the way he fauight against Santos because Floyd wasn't exactly convincing against Castillo was he?
All I'm saying is that you can say Margarito is overated when he is beaten by at least a B+ fighter, personally if he can't get a Mosely/Mayweather/Hatton/Winky then I'd love to see him fight Kassim Ouma. That would be a terrific fioght because Kassim could very conceivably box him for 12 rounds straight, but also has a slight vunerability in his chin, thus giving us a Bull vs Matador style fight which I love to watch, very ala Sam Peter vs Wlad but without the height difference.
Excellent points CC. The only thing I disagree with is going up to 154,all the big fights are at 147 and I'd prefer him to stay there and fight dangermen like Collazo,Quintana etc etc. He is headlining December 2 with Cotto so that's a chance for Tony to gain even more exposure.
I said Margarito had signed to fight Rivera... sorry was meaning talked about fighting Rivera, who gives a sh*t if he's a mandatory, belts don't mean S***. Should have fought Wright & tried to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
I totally disagree because if mandatories were inforced by a more powerful commision then guys like Mayweather wouldn't be able skate through all the devisions and would be forced to fight the toughest competition. It seems that in most sports winners eventually face other winners for ONE championship and the managers and cable networks have nothing to sat about it.
I totally disagree because if you don't fight an underseving mandatory they strip your bogus title, most fighters want to fight the best so why should they fear having a crap belt taken from them because they wanna fight a top guy & someone the fans wanna see them fight.
Re: Oh Dear, Someone has called Margarito's bluff....
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Originally Posted by The Game
To whoever said Tony has signed to fight Cosme Rivera....errr,that fight has yet to be made and it is a mandatory although I hope he does not take it. It looks like Tony will be fighting Clottey which would be another dangerous match as Clottey was beating the current "man" Baldomir easily until he was DQed.
And to whoever said you pay your dues,I suggest you go and check your history about Margarito,pro since 15,faced everyone he can etc etc,that's paying your dues.
Clottey looked unimpressive last night. A B fighter, maybe a B+. Margarito ought to beat him, but it wouldn't prove much if he did. I'd much rather see him against Quintana or Collazzo, or to go up to 154 and fight people his own size.
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Originally Posted by The Game
To whoever said Tony has signed to fight Cosme Rivera....errr,that fight has yet to be made and it is a mandatory although I hope he does not take it. It looks like Tony will be fighting Clottey which would be another dangerous match as Clottey was beating the current "man" Baldomir easily until he was DQed.
And to whoever said you pay your dues,I suggest you go and check your history about Margarito,pro since 15,faced everyone he can etc etc,that's paying your dues.
Clottey looked unimpressive last night. A B fighter, maybe a B+. Margarito ought to beat him, but it wouldn't prove much if he did. I'd much rather see him against Quintana or Collazzo, or to go up to 154 and fight people his own size.
True, I heard he wanted Quintana so why not try to make the fight
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I remember Zab Judah fighting Cosme. People said it was a mandatory and that Zab had to take it and everyone was saying that Rivera was a bum and didn't belong in the ring with Zab Judah and that Judah was a bum for taking the fight. But now Margarito is fighting Cosme Rivera and the excuse his fans are using is that Cosme Rivera is his mandatory ??? What you hate on one fighter with you defend your fighter with. Two wrongs doesn't make a right...although two negatives make a positive :)
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I remember Zab Judah fighting Cosme. People said it was a mandatory and that Zab had to take it and everyone was saying that Rivera was a bum and didn't belong in the ring with Zab Judah and that Judah was a bum for taking the fight. But now Margarito is fighting Cosme Rivera and the excuse his fans are using is that Cosme Rivera is his mandatory ??? What you hate on one fighter with you defend your fighter with. Two wrongs doesn't make a right...although two negatives make a positive :)
Nicely said bro, although Judah didn't have to take that fight, he chose to.
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I thought Cosme was his number one contender? would he have lost his title if he hadn't fought him?
Besides, Rivera was annoying with his taunting, he said he would spank Zab and send him back to his daddy and then gets dropped with the first punch of the fight :lol:
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This will just make it that much more satisfying if this Rivera fight gets made and Margarito loses. He won't even have a good "it was at 154" excuse this time, since Rivera's only been there for a few months.
