Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
look at what's going on with Morales, everybody is acting like if he's finished, and if you watch the rematch it's far from the truth, he was very effective early i had him winning the first 5 rounds straight, then stamina kicked in and yea, but he is still top game
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
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Originally Posted by shza
Wright didn't fight "a smart, defensive fight" that allowed him to get "enough points" for a win. He thoroughly dominated and humiliated Tito, landed about a billion jabs flush, and won ever round by a landslide.
Tito was slippin since getting beat up by Hopkins. It's best he's retired.
Tito took an a**whoopin every time he fought someone at the top of their game.....and got a gift decision against ODLH....yeah...Tito should retire....
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
No no,I was speaking hypothetically about Tito being around now.I think he should relax,stay retired,enjoy life,he's a legend.
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by shza
Wright didn't fight "a smart, defensive fight" that allowed him to get "enough points" for a win. He thoroughly dominated and humiliated Tito, landed about a billion jabs flush, and won ever round by a landslide.
Tito was slippin since getting beat up by Hopkins. It's best he's retired.
Tito took an a**whoopin every time he fought someone at the top of their game.....and got a gift decision against ODLH....yeah...Tito should retire....
Are YOU still around?!? Boy, they let ANYONE in here. You're an ignorant little punk who knows sh*t about boxing. Tito "took an a**whoopin every time he fought someone at the top of their game"?!? Are you really that ignorant? Or do you just fake it real good? Want me to rattle them off? Campas was at the top of his game. Oba Carr was at the top of his game. Vargas was at the top of his game. Then Tito moved up to 160 and polished off a very respectable Joppy, something DLH was never able to do.
By the way, here's a sad click (SC) for your ignorance.
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
Tito is a legend that defines one dimension but he didn't let it deter him from being a great fighter.
Trinidad fought some great fighters, and fortunately they all possessed a style that fell into his hands at that time. But he was shown to not be invincible against the golden boy, but I actually wanted Trinidad to win that fight, and I was happy he did but I don't know if he "won" now.. but I'm happy that he got the decision ;)
When Trinidad fought the outside fighters like Hopkins and DLH he got shown in different fashions. Even Joppy was giving him trouble before Tito landed that big left hook(s).
What I can't stand is that when he loses people are saying he wasn't a true 160 pounder and etc.
If I remember correctly when he was 160 and beat Joppy everyone was jumping on his bandwagon saying he would even conquer Light Heavyweight, right?
But when Hopkins beats him its "because" Trinidad is really a 147 pounder.
So he just "happened" to knock out 154 and 160 pound fighters by chance?
If you give Trinidad's opponents credit for beating him I don't think you'r get the flack you get.
He IS a great fighter. But eventually that flaw of his came back to haunt him when the opponent didn't let a punch landed.
But you have GOT to give Trinidad credit for it taking that long to happen.
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I just think the Wright fight was the wrong fight stylistically for Tito after so long away .
The war with Mayorga was no prep for a slickster and I think Oscar realised this when he pulled out of his September date with Floyd .
If Tito were to come back , i wouldnt write him off cuz he can bang and shows heart
Tito is fighting he fought in Oregon like a month or 2 ago and he won. I think he can still come back
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Originally Posted by memojaras
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I just think the Wright fight was the wrong fight stylistically for Tito after so long away .
The war with Mayorga was no prep for a slickster and I think Oscar realised this when he pulled out of his September date with Floyd .
If Tito were to come back , i wouldnt write him off cuz he can bang and shows heart
Tito is fighting he fought in Oregon like a month or 2 ago and he won. I think he can still come back
Trinidad hasn't fought in the U.S. since Wright starched him...unless he's been sparring in PR...he hasn't fought period.
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
It's all mental.
Tito has the goods. He is by no means over the hill. He could still come back.
Should he of retired? No. Taken a break and done somethings to make him hungry again yes.
Picture of Cotto, Calderon, and Trinidad at Jersey PR Parade
You got to love that Morris Day hair do on Tito
;D
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
Trinidad wasn't one dimensional at first, he would adapt quite nicely to each and everyone of his opponants, he beat highly skilled BOXERS and would strategically break them down, he was no ONE dimensional fighter like Tyson, Lacy, or Mayorga
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Trinidad wasn't one dimensional at first, he would adapt quite nicely to each and everyone of his opponants, he beat highly skilled BOXERS and would strategically break them down, he was no ONE dimensional fighter like Tyson, Lacy, or Mayorga
CC, ETM. You're gonna have a group of haters that'll dispute that to no end. But they choose to ignore victories by Tito over some very good boxers in their prime. Oba Carr was undefeated and heavily touted as a very good boxer until he met Tito.
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I wonder if Mayweather losses... :o...if people will say the same "Oh, he should retire" just like anybody who losses ::**.
People can come back from losses.
Chino
youre right in saying that people can come back from losses, but that depends on how the loss went down (think naseem hamed)
as for pbf................................
ive thought this before, and i honestly believe that should he get his ass handed to him in a bad way somewhere down the road (even once) that he will never be the same.
you have to take into consideration his confidence (which at the time is warranted when it comes to his fight game) is an enourmous asset when hes walking into the ring because hes wanting to become the greatest of all time, that will work for him while hes dominating but that same confidence will end his career if he takes a bad loss
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Trinidad wasn't one dimensional at first, he would adapt quite nicely to each and everyone of his opponants, he beat highly skilled BOXERS and would strategically break them down, he was no ONE dimensional fighter like Tyson, Lacy, or Mayorga
CC, ETM. You're gonna have a group of haters that'll dispute that to no end. But they choose to ignore victories by Tito over some very good boxers in their prime. Oba Carr was undefeated and heavily touted as a very good boxer until he met Tito.
Oba Carr wasn't a "boxer" he was a risk taker who's defense was moving back with lis hands down. Sure he COULD box but it wasn't his forte, he was open for every punch in the book unless he fought someone who saw him drop his hands whenever he threw ::**
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Originally Posted by Puya
yes Bhop beat him and it took 12 rounds, a push and his dad to stop the fight.
"it took 12 rounds ..." Well, no sad clicks for that but that has a whole lot to do with Hopkins' style, doesn't it?
He was dominated by Hopkins for those 12 rounds and then knocked out. You can't turn that into a Trinidad plus sign no matter how you try.
Always did like Tito but as I said elsewhere it seems rather humorous at this point that he was ever 3-1 favorite over Bernard.
I think Trinidad could still be happily boxing and winning most fights. As long as he doesn't fight highly skilled boxers, especially those who are naturally bigger than he.
But he's got no need to fight. He's sitting pretty, as noted. He's healthy and content. Good for him, quite seriously. He could still constribute some to boxing, but from his perspective, why should he?
Re: Was it necessary for Trinidad to retire? Or were the fans a bit harsh?
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Trinidad wasn't one dimensional at first, he would adapt quite nicely to each and everyone of his opponants, he beat highly skilled BOXERS and would strategically break them down, he was no ONE dimensional fighter like Tyson, Lacy, or Mayorga
CC, ETM. You're gonna have a group of haters that'll dispute that to no end. But they choose to ignore victories by Tito over some very good boxers in their prime. Oba Carr was undefeated and heavily touted as a very good boxer until he met Tito.
Oba Carr wasn't a "boxer" he was a risk taker who's defense was moving back with lis hands down. Sure he COULD box but it wasn't his forte, he was open for every punch in the book unless he fought someone who saw him drop his hands whenever he threw ::**
Of COURSE Oba Carr wasn't "a boxer", Starr. He was an undefeated NOBODY. It's no WONDER Tito feasted on him. Just like all the OTHER undefeated nobodies Tito took down. They ALL stuck out their chin so poor Tito could knock them out. I mean, why ELSE would Tito amass a 42-2 record and take out so many undefeated champions and former Olympic gold-medalists. It was all just pure LUCK.
You're right, Starr. How COULD I have been so blind?
Now.... if you'll excuse me for a moment..........
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