Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:
"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"
Hagler won.
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by littledave
I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:
"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"
Hagler won.
I like your style.....Little dave...keep those posts coming......:)
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by littledave
I read an interview with Al Bernstein who scored it for Hagler where he said:
"I have seen the fight Hagler fight again and still have him winning by one or two points. Part of my reasoning is that the fight stats show that Hagler did out jab Leonard and if Leonard was the boxer going into this how can he be out jabbed?"
Hagler won.
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Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
didnt think hagler landed that many jabs but surely leonard outlanded him in total punches landed
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!
Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
didnt think hagler landed that many jabs but surely leonard outlanded him in total punches landed
did he?.......I would like to see the stats on that fight...
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!
Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D
You may have something there....But it would be HAGLER!!!!!! those guys would be on pins and needles the whole time!!!!! Heck, Hagler might even spar one or two of them to show them how a real champ spars!!!! of course the Contender might lose a few fighters to injury!!! :)
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!
Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D
IMO P4P theres no doubt that SRL is a greater boxer. SRL is cooler then Hagler anyways.
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by bigragu
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
When I first watched the fight I swore Hagler won it by a wide margin. It was the first real fight I remember watching because it was advertised soooooooo much. Watched a few months back and had Hagler winning 115-113. A lot closer than when I originally saw it, which surprised me since the I remember the overwhelming sensation of what the F*** just happened when I first saw it. It was a close fight and when they are that close there are always a couple of rounds that could have been scored either way. Plus Hagler gave in to so many of SRL's demands (ring size, # of rounds, glove size, et..) that he set himself up for a tough night. Besides all of that I still think Hagler was robbed!!!!!!! That is my opinion and I'm sticking to it!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
imagine if Hagler had 10oz gloves, a smaller ring and 15 rounds.......Leonard is not on the contender...It would be Hagler!!!!!!!!!!!! Think of how much cooler the Contender would be with Hagler on it....the ratings could be through the roof!!!!!
Absolutely!! The big thing was the number of rounds fought. SRL was dead after 12, if it had been 15 Hagler would have had the (T)KO. And yes the Conteder would be so much greater with Hagler. But then again Hagler is to great to be on such a show!! ;D
You may have something there....But it would be HAGLER!!!!!! those guys would be on pins and needles the whole time!!!!! Heck, Hagler might even spar one or two of them to show them how a real champ spars!!!! of course the Contender might lose a few fighters to injury!!! :)
How freakin great would that be thou!!! Hagler as your mentor for a couple of months!!!! Teaching you the inside tricks and everything!!!!! If Hagler sparred with them I think they all would wet their pants with excitement!!!!! ;D :D
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
SRL is cooler then Hagler anyways.
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
Sugar Ray's the nice kid your Mum wanted you to play with who was good at everything but you hated because everyone licked his ass. Hagler is the guy you actually liked.
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
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Originally Posted by littledave
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Originally Posted by cockey cockney
SRL is cooler then Hagler anyways.
NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!
Sugar Ray's the nice kid your Mum wanted you to play with who was good at everything but you hated because everyone licked his a**. Hagler is the guy you actually liked.
cc you said it perfectly!! ;D
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
I never really understood the robbed thing either, I don't see how you could give Hagler more than 7 rounds, and if you had it 7-5, how is that a robbery? That's one close round from being a draw.
One other thing I've never understood is the whole "you've gotta take the title away from the champ" deal. I score round by round, if I thought a guy won a round then I give it to him, and at the end the guy with the most rounds is the winner. How complicated is that? I judge rounds in championship fights just like I would in a non title fight, maybe that's odd, I don't know.
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
Oh and I had it for Hagler by a point, years ago though haven't seen it in a while, because of more effective punching, but I could easily see it being a draw or a close Leonard win, not a robbery.
Re: Just watched Hagler v Leonard for 1st time in 19 years - my card
Close fight that could have gone either way its not a robbery by any means
