Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
SHAME HE COULDNT MURDER HIM FIRST 3 ROUNDS WHEN HE WAS PAST IT
How quick its done is irrelevant. A strange statement from yourself..
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by miles
Thats the thing I have to disagree with though, Britkid....
Lets put Tyson of '88 against any other model of Tyson. The other model only has a punchers chance and will probably get a beating. This means prime Tyson was something special.
Prime Tyson has a chance against any of the greats in heavyweight history.
Lyle loses points by suggesting that even Dempsey could beat Tyson. Dempsey was too small. A silly matchup really.
What you need to factor in, IMO; is that as awesome a force prime 86 to 88 Tyson was, he had them flaws that he showed later in his career, even then.
If he had met a Prime Holmes in 88 rather than a 38 year old Holmes, them faults would of shown though. Tyson would struggle in a fight in which he would not be able dominate, even in 88; there is no evidence to prove otherwise. If you stood up to Tyson and competed evenly with him for half a dozen rounds, you beat him.
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
Miles I agree that any smaller HW or slugger variety(excluding foreman and maybe Louis) would be picked to lose to Tyson(Liston, Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Pattterson) On the other hand I think the bigger rangy boxer top ten HW's would be picked to beat him.(Ali, Johnson, Holmes, Bowe, Lewis).
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by miles
Thats the thing I have to disagree with though, Britkid....
Lets put Tyson of '88 against any other model of Tyson. The other model only has a punchers chance and will probably get a beating. This means prime Tyson was something special.
Prime Tyson has a chance against any of the greats in heavyweight history.
Lyle loses points by suggesting that even Dempsey could beat Tyson. Dempsey was too small. A silly matchup really.
What you need to factor in, IMO; is that as awesome a force prime 86 to 88 Tyson was, he had them flaws that he showed later in his career, even then.
If he had met a Prime Holmes in 88 rather than a 38 year old Holmes, them faults would of shown though. Tyson would struggle in a fight in which he would not be able dominate, even in 88; there is no evidence to prove otherwise. If you stood up to Tyson and competed evenly with him for half a dozen rounds, you beat him.
BK, I know you are not Tysons biggest fan, but Tyson faced difficult fighters and simply outworked his opponents for decisions. Tyson could do this against Holmes.
Holmes at his best would try and toy with Tyson, and he would get clocked. Prime Holmes would not beat Tyson...at Tysons worst Tyson wins a decision...
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Miles I agree that any smaller HW or slugger variety(excluding foreman and maybe Louis) would be picked to lose to Tyson(Liston, Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Pattterson) On the other hand I think the bigger rangy boxer top ten HW's would be picked to beat him.(Ali, Johnson, Holmes, Bowe, Lewis).
Depends on which Tyson we are talking about
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
worst tyson wins by decision what are u on about seems like ur tyson fan and not biggest fan of holmes ;)
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by miles
Thats the thing I have to disagree with though, Britkid....
Lets put Tyson of '88 against any other model of Tyson. The other model only has a punchers chance and will probably get a beating. This means prime Tyson was something special.
Prime Tyson has a chance against any of the greats in heavyweight history.
Lyle loses points by suggesting that even Dempsey could beat Tyson. Dempsey was too small. A silly matchup really.
What you need to factor in, IMO; is that as awesome a force prime 86 to 88 Tyson was, he had them flaws that he showed later in his career, even then.
If he had met a Prime Holmes in 88 rather than a 38 year old Holmes, them faults would of shown though. Tyson would struggle in a fight in which he would not be able dominate, even in 88; there is no evidence to prove otherwise. If you stood up to Tyson and competed evenly with him for half a dozen rounds, you beat him.
BK, I know you are not Tysons biggest fan, but Tyson faced difficult fighters and simply outworked his opponents for decisions. Tyson could do this against Holmes.
Holmes at his best would try and toy with Tyson, and he would get clocked. Prime Holmes would not beat Tyson...at Tysons worst Tyson wins a decision...
The fights against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis suggest otherwise, they showed Tyson could not cope fighting evenly with someone and finding a way to win, he always lost. A prime Holmes would merely add another name to that list.
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Miles I agree that any smaller HW or slugger variety(excluding foreman and maybe Louis) would be picked to lose to Tyson(Liston, Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Pattterson) On the other hand I think the bigger rangy boxer top ten HW's would be picked to beat him.(Ali, Johnson, Holmes, Bowe, Lewis).
Depends on which Tyson we are talking about
I think any Tyson loses to the guys I mentioned.
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Britkid
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Originally Posted by miles
Thats the thing I have to disagree with though, Britkid....
Lets put Tyson of '88 against any other model of Tyson. The other model only has a punchers chance and will probably get a beating. This means prime Tyson was something special.
Prime Tyson has a chance against any of the greats in heavyweight history.
Lyle loses points by suggesting that even Dempsey could beat Tyson. Dempsey was too small. A silly matchup really.
What you need to factor in, IMO; is that as awesome a force prime 86 to 88 Tyson was, he had them flaws that he showed later in his career, even then.
If he had met a Prime Holmes in 88 rather than a 38 year old Holmes, them faults would of shown though. Tyson would struggle in a fight in which he would not be able dominate, even in 88; there is no evidence to prove otherwise. If you stood up to Tyson and competed evenly with him for half a dozen rounds, you beat him.
BK, I know you are not Tysons biggest fan, but Tyson faced difficult fighters and simply outworked his opponents for decisions. Tyson could do this against Holmes.
Holmes at his best would try and toy with Tyson, and he would get clocked. Prime Holmes would not beat Tyson...at Tysons worst Tyson wins a decision...
The fights against Douglas, Holyfield and Lewis suggest otherwise, they showed Tyson could not cope fighting evenly with someone and finding a way to win, he always lost. A prime Holmes would merely add another name to that list.
IMO only the Douglas victory has any real merit
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by VanChilds
Miles I agree that any smaller HW or slugger variety(excluding foreman and maybe Louis) would be picked to lose to Tyson(Liston, Dempsey, Frazier, Marciano, Pattterson) On the other hand I think the bigger rangy boxer top ten HW's would be picked to beat him.(Ali, Johnson, Holmes, Bowe, Lewis).
Depends on which Tyson we are talking about
I think any Tyson loses to the guys I mentioned.
I think tyson gives everysingle one of them a lot of trouble beating them.
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
worst tyson wins by decision what are u on about seems like ur tyson fan and not biggest fan of holmes ;)
I speak as a fan of boxing first and then my opinions about fighters plays an effect....
No Holmes was boring IMO....
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firstly holmes wasnt boring he was in quite few wars secondly how does douglas loss have only real merit holyfield beat him and holyfield was older funny thing is if mike tyson would of won people wouldnt have been saying he was shot in holyfield fight simple thing is tyson was champ at that time he was blasting threw hes opponents so how hell was he past it
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
firstly holmes wasnt boring he was in quite few wars secondly how does douglas loss have any real merit holyfield beat him and holyfield was older funny thing is if mike tyson would of won people wouldnt have been saying he was shot in holyfield fight simple thing is tyson was champ at that time he was blasting threw hes opponents so how hell was he past it
That's a long sentence and its possibly unintelligable....Holmes was more interesting than that!! ::** ;D
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well i dont want to go all into it otherwise would be hell of alot of typing ;)
Re: prime larry holmes vs prime tyson
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
well i dont want to go all into it otherwise would be hell of alot of typing ;)
why are you on a forum then? Its about typing to make yourself understood. You cant do that then you should find a hobby...
