Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
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dont start acting like a fool lyle as it would be a shame to ban you again :)
Yeah I wouldn't want to have to miss out on such great info again :beat:
If you're going to talk about a "fixed fight" talk about everyone's favorite EMANUEL AUGUSTUS...THAT my friend is a dive.
And he didn't make his career out of it. And it wasn't a dive, it was his way out of the fight he was going to lose, if you call that a dive then you best call Durans 'no mas' a dive. It was just an example of getting out of a fight you were losing ;)
If was not the best thing to do, but Duran made it known to everybody he was quitting. He pretty much told everybody he's a quitter and that he wasn't going to fight no more. Augustus goes down from a punch that was down right laughable. He than stays on the mat for the 10 count. When it was obvious to everybody that he wasn't hurt. This from the same guy who's never caught a break and who according to him, has been robbed on almost 75% of his losses. What the hell is that?
CC.
Violent Demise with more coolclicks then sadclicks? :o
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
I think in the time up to the late 50s when the mob ran things it wasnt to coasha. Now Ive never heard or suspected a fix, except the one you mentioned Saddo. Theres lots of robberys but not fixes. But then I am one dumb cunt.
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
I agree. Robberies and fixes are two different things. Still, I'm sure there have been some fights that were fixes, possibly ones no one will ever suspect.
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
i think walcott coulda got up but thought....whats the use? so he stayed down
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
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Originally Posted by Saddo
dont start acting like a fool lyle as it would be a shame to ban you again :)
Yeah I wouldn't want to have to miss out on such great info again :beat:
If you're going to talk about a "fixed fight" talk about everyone's favorite EMANUEL AUGUSTUS...THAT my friend is a dive.
And he didn't make his career out of it. And it wasn't a dive, it was his way out of the fight he was going to lose, if you call that a dive then you best call Durans 'no mas' a dive. It was just an example of getting out of a fight you were losing ;)
If was not the best thing to do, but Duran made it known to everybody he was quitting. He pretty much told everybody he's a quitter and that he wasn't going to fight no more. Augustus goes down from a punch that was down right laughable. He than stays on the mat for the 10 count. When it was obvious to everybody that he wasn't hurt. This from the same guy who's never caught a break and who according to him, has been robbed on almost 75% of his losses. What the hell is that?
CC.
Violent Demise with more coolclicks then sadclicks? :o
It's called realization. At first Violent Demise was disliked and sc'ed many times cuz it bother the other members and the mods that there boxing knowledge, while on a "Superior" level was still no where near Violent Demise's "God like" level. Little by little as times goes by it started to get accepted as something that just is. While I'm pretty sure still disliked, Violent Demise boxing knowledge is damn near gospel. It is clearly without equal. It should treasured and praised. :thumb:
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Saddo
dont start acting like a fool lyle as it would be a shame to ban you again :)
Yeah I wouldn't want to have to miss out on such great info again :beat:
If you're going to talk about a "fixed fight" talk about everyone's favorite EMANUEL AUGUSTUS...THAT my friend is a dive.
And he didn't make his career out of it. And it wasn't a dive, it was his way out of the fight he was going to lose, if you call that a dive then you best call Durans 'no mas' a dive. It was just an example of getting out of a fight you were losing ;)
If was not the best thing to do, but Duran made it known to everybody he was quitting. He pretty much told everybody he's a quitter and that he wasn't going to fight no more. Augustus goes down from a punch that was down right laughable. He than stays on the mat for the 10 count. When it was obvious to everybody that he wasn't hurt. This from the same guy who's never caught a break and who according to him, has been robbed on almost 75% of his losses. What the hell is that?
CC.
Violent Demise with more coolclicks then sadclicks? :o
It's called realization. At first Violent Demise was disliked and sc'ed many times cuz it bother the other members and the mods that there boxing knowledge, while on a "Superior" level was still no where near Violent Demise's "God like" level. Little by little as times goes by it started to get accepted as something that just is. While I'm pretty sure still disliked, Violent Demise boxing knowledge is damn near gospel. It is clearly without equal. It should treasured and praised. :thumb:
Or he just sadclicked everything in sight, didn't go away and the coolclicks are an attempt to drive him away?
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Saddo
dont start acting like a fool lyle as it would be a shame to ban you again :)
Yeah I wouldn't want to have to miss out on such great info again :beat:
If you're going to talk about a "fixed fight" talk about everyone's favorite EMANUEL AUGUSTUS...THAT my friend is a dive.
And he didn't make his career out of it. And it wasn't a dive, it was his way out of the fight he was going to lose, if you call that a dive then you best call Durans 'no mas' a dive. It was just an example of getting out of a fight you were losing ;)
If was not the best thing to do, but Duran made it known to everybody he was quitting. He pretty much told everybody he's a quitter and that he wasn't going to fight no more. Augustus goes down from a punch that was down right laughable. He than stays on the mat for the 10 count. When it was obvious to everybody that he wasn't hurt. This from the same guy who's never caught a break and who according to him, has been robbed on almost 75% of his losses. What the hell is that?
CC.
Violent Demise with more coolclicks then sadclicks? :o
It's called realization. At first Violent Demise was disliked and sc'ed many times cuz it bother the other members and the mods that there boxing knowledge, while on a "Superior" level was still no where near Violent Demise's "God like" level. Little by little as times goes by it started to get accepted as something that just is. While I'm pretty sure still disliked, Violent Demise boxing knowledge is damn near gospel. It is clearly without equal. It should treasured and praised. :thumb:
Or he just sadclicked everything in sight, didn't go away and the coolclicks are an attempt to drive him away?
Nah, nah. They tried that cc thing with you and your ass is still here.
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Saddo
dont start acting like a fool lyle as it would be a shame to ban you again :)
Yeah I wouldn't want to have to miss out on such great info again :beat:
If you're going to talk about a "fixed fight" talk about everyone's favorite EMANUEL AUGUSTUS...THAT my friend is a dive.
And he didn't make his career out of it. And it wasn't a dive, it was his way out of the fight he was going to lose, if you call that a dive then you best call Durans 'no mas' a dive. It was just an example of getting out of a fight you were losing ;)
If was not the best thing to do, but Duran made it known to everybody he was quitting. He pretty much told everybody he's a quitter and that he wasn't going to fight no more. Augustus goes down from a punch that was down right laughable. He than stays on the mat for the 10 count. When it was obvious to everybody that he wasn't hurt. This from the same guy who's never caught a break and who according to him, has been robbed on almost 75% of his losses. What the hell is that?
CC.
Violent Demise with more coolclicks then sadclicks? :o
It's called realization. At first Violent Demise was disliked and sc'ed many times cuz it bother the other members and the mods that there boxing knowledge, while on a "Superior" level was still no where near Violent Demise's "God like" level. Little by little as times goes by it started to get accepted as something that just is. While I'm pretty sure still disliked, Violent Demise boxing knowledge is damn near gospel. It is clearly without equal. It should treasured and praised. :thumb:
Or he just sadclicked everything in sight, didn't go away and the coolclicks are an attempt to drive him away?
Nah, nah. They tried that cc thing with you and your ass is still here.
Haha. You know, they really did but ever since you came it seems that everyone has gotten sad clicky with me? I'm seeming to get about one a day. Wierd coincidence ;D
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
In 1961 during the Kefauver hearings in which the mobster Frankie Carbo was being indicted for curroption of the fight game on a massive scale one Truman Gibson, formerly president of the IBC swore under oath that Carbo negotiated a deal with Felix Bocchichio, Walcott's manager, that on top of the $250,000 contract they had cemented, he (Bocchichio) should sell his share of the rights to the 3-D movie that was to be made of the bout to Marciano's manager Al Weill.
Weill, thinking he was being shrewd, snapped up the offer, after all this was the first time a 3-D movie had been made, the boxing public, Weill reasoned, would clamour to see the film.
However...
Carbo and Bocchichio had hatched a plan that would make them some good money off Weill whom neither was very fond. Bocchichio, it is alleged by Gibson, told Walcott to take a dive in the first round, thereby robbing Weill of a long movie to pull in the fans.
History shows Walcott going down, looking resigned at defeat, then kicking up a stink as Bocchichio decides to ham it up to the referee, even Marciano seems bemused by the swift conclusion.
The film, as suspected, flopped, and Weill lost a lot of money, so did Marciano.
In total the champion recieved just over $300,000 before taxes, managers cut, etc, etc...
Whilst the challenger cleared some $500,000, unprecedented for a challenger to get more than the champion. It seems though that Walcott saw very little of that money, for within a few years of this, his last bout, he was working nights for the Camden, New Jersey, Police.
When these allegations were made in 1961, Walcott protested his innocence in the whole affair, however he was prone to certain corruption as proven later in his life when he was found guilty of taking bribes whilst on the New Jersey boxing board of control.
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
I doubt Walcott did give up he was an old fighter and rematches often have the same result but quicker.
Re: Marciano - Walcott 2 ... was it a fixed fight?
You may very well be right, a man who has held the heavyweight title after so many years chasing the dream would certainly, in our opinion, not give up the chance to regain the title.
Yes Walcott was old, sure, but in great condition, and by the standards of todays heavyweights his age would not have counted against him, look at Holyfield!!!
But at the time there was a buzz amongst the journalists and public that Walcott could have got up, but most felt he done the right thing, last time he had fought Marciano he had thrown everything he had at him and perhaps had given the performance of his life, aside from his first fight with Joe Louis, and he had still lost, so perhaps...who knows.
Boxing was a different animal in the forties and fifties....
