Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice alrea
I actaully think this will be a tricky fight for Floyd in spells due to the size factor. But Floyd will come through it and win a UD.
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
This seems to be getting some good points & in lue of the RBR...I'd like to make this a sticky for a day or so if possible...because this fight is going to be a biggy...if anyone disagrees...then unsticky it...but be forewarned...whoever does so...I will bare knuckle box you NAKED in the streets in front of your peers. :-X
Sticky-fied.
Go at it bitches.
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uote from: DaxxKahn on Today at 02:31:20 PM
IMO it is possible.....I personally didn't consider the Gatti win that much of an upset
Agreed...but you have to remember...there were many crossed fingers.
Including mine....Good thing I am not a betting man because I would always go with my heart
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As I have mentioned before in other posts, I am a new fan of this guy....
I seriously dig a guy that normally walks around at 190, drops weight to 140 and kicks a**....He has ungodly power and I dont see anyone in the weight class being able to hurt him...
YES, I think an upset of the year is in the making!!!
Baldy going to kick some a**!!!!
Good Luck,
Coach
you may be the only person alive that thinks that baldomir has "ungodly power." let alone any power
i like him personally, and have tons of respect for his accomplishments but baldomir IS NOT a power puncher. have you ever seen him fight? or are you just thinking back to when he fought gatti? (where mayweather showed more power than any of baldomirs performances, and whipped him much more convincingly)
and you are seriously reaching thinking that mayweather is going to be stupid and trade shots with baldomir.
i dont see baldomir outboxing floyd, either...................pbf is way too good
and btw............baldomir fights at 147, not 140 (get it together before you start spouting off nonsense asking people if theyve ever seen him fight, when apparantly you havent ;))
Good Luck,
frozensolid_702 ;)
140, 147,,,you know what the hell I meant you dingbat.....
Either way, I feel this way...
Noone and I mean NOONE has taken Baldomir seriously when it comes to him fighting....
This is where PBF will get his ass handed to him....
For now we talk about it, afterwards, you all can make your exscuses....
The only way I see Baldy getting hurt by PBF is if PBF's corner drugs Baldy....
Good Luck,
Coach
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Baldomir pulls off the upset do you think this one is a bigger upset then Tyson-Douglas? Explain your answer.
The Tyson loss to Douglas was to me, not even close to being an upset...As a matter of fact, I had my money on Douglas to win that fight...
Tyson was going to lose that fight because of the state of mind he was in before he went to the fight...
Everyone warned Tyson's camp about Douglas, but, with all the peeps telling Tyson he had it in the bag....But the critics were seeing differently...
I think Baldy beating Floyd would be an accomplishment and a huge upset....I believe it would be one not able to be measured or compared to other fights....
People just need to remember, never underestimate the powers of the determined....
Good Luck,
Coach
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The Tyson loss to Douglas was to me, not even close to being an upset...As a matter of fact, I had my money on Douglas to win that fight...
Are you a millionare then?
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For once we had a rarity my friends, fellow boxing enthusiasts, and beloved forum goers...a weekend that was devoid of the standard drunken installment of yee Ole' Round by Round. To fill the void I've thrown together this little article for discussions sake...and also...gotdammit I'm bored...and you all know how I love the weekend interaction.
For the past month or so I've been getting back on track with my vhs to dvd transfers. In doing so, I sat through Baldomir's matches against Gatti and Judah, along with Mayweather's bouts respectively. So...in anticipation of the upcoming Mayweather Baldomir unification showdown I'd like to discuss the matter in depth...so hear me out...or read me out and let's get this going.
Can Baldomir pull off the Upset of the Year?
It's 2006 & he's done it twice already...
Over the past year I've been guilty of that one thing most boxing fan's fall prey to...being biased and ignoring talent.
Being a huge fan of Floyd Mayweather jr. it's easy to recognize his talents & abilities. Even Floyd's greatest critics will admit that he is one of the most talented fighters of the past five to ten years, this admittance is shortly followed by more detractions regarding his opponents and so on & so on. Critic's will be critics.
That being said...over the past year I've been guilty of that one thing most boxing fan's fall prey to...ignoring talent. Maybe I should rephrase myself...dismissing talent is more accurate...no...maybe denying talent is a bit more on the up and up.
However you look at it, I've been dismissing the talent, heart, and abilities of one Carlos Manuel Baldomir, the current WBC and IBA Welterweight Champion.
So...why am I acknowledging my faults, you ask?
Quite simply...the man has defied the odds of late and he's slammed the door shut on two of the sports superstars to become the Welterweight Champion of the world. No small feat.
Many of my fellow forum goer's will laugh at that statement based on my previous opinions regarding Baldomir and also the opposition that he has beaten of recent date. While I may not be a fan of Zab Judah or Arturro Gatti...there is no denying that there is skill there in both men and they have defeated some game opponents.
While I do admit to being a die hard fan of Mayweather, I am beginning to warm to Baldomir and also his chances. Over the past month I have begun to see this fight as a possible upset in the making...honestly...unbiasedly...how could one not?
Sure, you can break apart Gatti and Judah and their worth at 147 pounds. Sure, you can say that Baldomir has gotten lucky to catch these two opponents of name recognition at the likely end of their ropes. Sure you can say that Baldomir hasn't a shot in hell of winning against Floyd. Sure, it's impressive that Baldomir has gotten this far in the division. Sure, it's just as impressive that Floyd has made the climb up the tall ladder of all of the divisions that he has.
Sure, you can bring up all of the positives and negatives that spring to mind...but one thing is for sure...this is going to be the fight of both men's career.
All talk of timing and luck aside, in my personal opinion...it's impressive as hell that Baldomir has gotten this far. It's just as impressive as it is that Floyd has made the climb up the tall ladder of the divisions that he has.
Unfortunately, with this fight and it's outcome, I feel that we will all become suspects in another crime...ignoring talent. Wev'e all become a bit to critical & cynical regarding both of these fighters...and if justice is served over the course of twelve rounds...it would be a shame to ignore the merit of both men...and believe you me...there are those of us who will.
Again, a month or so ago, I would have been on of those "us".
Watching the four matches and shared opponents between both Baldomir and Mayweather it's easy to recognize that both Judah and Gatti always rise to the occassion against B and C level fighters...they never crash the party with the A listers. Gatti was basically slaughtered by Mayweather and was broken down by Baldomir (who I considered to be and still do see him as B level or maybe B+), and IWO, both fights should be career ending matches for Gatti.
The shared Judah fight produced wildly different results. While Baldomir outboxed and gutted it out down the stretch against Judah in shocking fashion, Judah was able to hang in there for five or six rounds against Floyd. This would have been shocking, but as per the norm with Judah...once pressed he fell apart and fell back into the pattern of utter stupidity within the ring.
One has to wonder, based on the fact that Baldomir performed so well against both men and that Floyd will finally be facing a full fledged Welterweight warrior, how will Mayweather perform?
The fact that I've gone from wondering how Baldomir will look against the technically superior slickster that Mayweather is...to wondering how Floyd will fair against Baldomir shocks even me. It may even seem like I'm just covering my own a** in the wake of a Baldomir win...but that's not it. The true fact of the matter is...Baldomir has done so well lately that it brings up some serious questions.
Questions:
#1: Can Floyd continue to rise up with repeated success?
#2: Can Baldomir continue to hold his unbeaten streak against the cream of the crop?
#3: Can Floyd's hands, chin, and skills pull him through against today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man"?
My answers:
#1: No. I don't think that he can. Favorite fighter or not...I don't go for the weight jumping...I think that it ruins careers down the road. I believe that Mayweather will beat Baldo in a tuff fight...but moving up to 154 & more...possibley facing Oscar or Mosley...things like that...I just don't see him pulling off anymore.
#2: No. I don't think that Baldo will defeat Floyd.
#3: Yes. Floyd's hands, chin, and skills pull him through this battle...the real question is...does everyone buy into the fact that the media is selling Baldo as today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man"?
All will be answered Saturday November the 4th, 2006 in what will be one of the most important 12 rounders of both careers with the WBC, IBO, and the IBA Welterweight titles on the line. It's make or break for Baldomir and another chance for Floyd to prove that he is indeed the pound for pound elite fighter of the world.
Now...if I were to be wrong...honestly...I'd hate for my guy to lose...but I couldn't think of a better person for him to lose to. Oddly enough...I guess that means that I do buy into Baldomir being today's equivelant of "the Cinderella Man", which I find to be an aggrevating term that is thrown around quite frequently today in boxing. Baldomir is the rags to riches story in a nutshell though and I do dig on the fact that he's got everything to lose going in to this fight. While I may not think that Baldomir has the technical skills to best Mayweather...he does have the heart and he does have the edge in power, couple that with the fact that he's proven that he can take a shot...well...you never know what could happen.
In the end...I'll be sticking to a Mayweather Unanimous Decision Unification Win...but a shock could be quite refreshing and who better to recieve the honor of defeating one of the greatest fighters in the sport today?
I can't think of anyone more deserving than Carlos Baldomir.
There...I said it.
I agree, especially if he moves up to 154, I gaurantee he gets KTFO
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Originally Posted by BoxingCoachBW
As I have mentioned before in other posts, I am a new fan of this guy....
I seriously dig a guy that normally walks around at 190, drops weight to 140 and kicks a**....He has ungodly power and I dont see anyone in the weight class being able to hurt him...
YES, I think an upset of the year is in the making!!!
Baldy going to kick some a**!!!!
Good Luck,
Coach
you may be the only person alive that thinks that baldomir has "ungodly power." let alone any power
i like him personally, and have tons of respect for his accomplishments but baldomir IS NOT a power puncher. have you ever seen him fight? or are you just thinking back to when he fought gatti? (where mayweather showed more power than any of baldomirs performances, and whipped him much more convincingly)
and you are seriously reaching thinking that mayweather is going to be stupid and trade shots with baldomir.
i dont see baldomir outboxing floyd, either...................pbf is way too good
and btw............baldomir fights at 147, not 140 (get it together before you start spouting off nonsense asking people if theyve ever seen him fight, when apparantly you havent ;))
Good Luck,
frozensolid_702 ;)
140, 147,,,you know what the hell I meant you dingbat.....
Either way, I feel this way...
Noone and I mean NOONE has taken Baldomir seriously when it comes to him fighting....
This is where PBF will get his a** handed to him....
For now we talk about it, afterwards, you all can make your exscuses....
The only way I see Baldy getting hurt by PBF is if PBF's corner drugs Baldy....
Good Luck,
Coach
Coach I never and I mean Never question your assesment of talent....But I feel you picking Baldo over Pretty boy is just "wishful thinking" and Hating on Floyd.....Deep down in your heart of hearts you Know Floyd will kick his Fukin Azz, but i feel you dont like Floyd and thats how you see it as such ,Baldo attribute wize has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON FLOYD...
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As I have mentioned before in other posts, I am a new fan of this guy....
I seriously dig a guy that normally walks around at 190, drops weight to 140 and kicks a**....He has ungodly power and I dont see anyone in the weight class being able to hurt him...
YES, I think an upset of the year is in the making!!!
Baldy going to kick some a**!!!!
Good Luck,
Coach
you may be the only person alive that thinks that baldomir has "ungodly power." let alone any power
i like him personally, and have tons of respect for his accomplishments but baldomir IS NOT a power puncher. have you ever seen him fight? or are you just thinking back to when he fought gatti? (where mayweather showed more power than any of baldomirs performances, and whipped him much more convincingly)
and you are seriously reaching thinking that mayweather is going to be stupid and trade shots with baldomir.
i dont see baldomir outboxing floyd, either...................pbf is way too good
and btw............baldomir fights at 147, not 140 (get it together before you start spouting off nonsense asking people if theyve ever seen him fight, when apparantly you havent ;))
Good Luck,
frozensolid_702 ;)
140, 147,,,you know what the hell I meant you dingbat.....
Either way, I feel this way...
Noone and I mean NOONE has taken Baldomir seriously when it comes to him fighting....
This is where PBF will get his a** handed to him....
For now we talk about it, afterwards, you all can make your exscuses....
The only way I see Baldy getting hurt by PBF is if PBF's corner drugs Baldy....
Good Luck,
Coach
Coach I never and I mean Never question your assesment of talent....But I feel you picking Baldo over Pretty boy is just "wishful thinking" and Hating on Floyd.....Deep down in your heart of hearts you Know Floyd will kick his Fukin Azz, but i feel you dont like Floyd and thats how you see it as such ,Baldo attribute wize has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ON FLOYD...
I think he gave it away when he said this is the fight PBF gets his a** handed to him like he'd been waiting on u'd think he was awaiting it
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Fisrt off,CC Wack for awesome analysis,I love reading that shat. Also,everyone on this thread has made awesome points!!! Here's my take.....
I believe Baldo is a tough rugged,iron chinned and willed individual,who upset Judah but I don't think the win over Gatti was an upset(got me big points in the Prediction Contest 8)),but the 1 thing Baldo has in his favour is possibly the element of surprise,as in with his power.
His record is deceptive,he is not a weak puncher and for some reason,against blown up 147pounders,he does more damage and maybe he will have that effect again on Floyd...if he lands? Because that is 1 thing NONE of us can say with great confidence,how good is Floyd's chin? He's so dam fast that we have not seen him get hit enough at 140 and 147 to truly rate his chin but unfortunately,that is the only chance I can give Baldo and it's a low chance. Every other factor is in Floyd's favour&I believe that Floyd will should win relatively easily with Tata causing the odd moment of trouble for him but nothing more. I also think Baldo will retire after this fight unless he wins,this is that big payday he has been waiting for all his life and he's not getting any younger.
I love the Cinderella story though and win or lose,he's my fighter of the year with Pacquiao.
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nice Wacko read. CC
;)
I think Mayweahter gets off the canvas to win this fight. should be good fun
Re: Can Carlos Baldomir pull off the upset of the Year? He's done it twice already.
In the game of Boxing, I look at all aspects and views... I have seen fighters come and have seen them go. I have made right choices and I have made wrong.
When I feel strongly about something, I stay with that feeling. I dont jump on the first bandwagon out there just to be with everyone else.
Fighters like Baldy excite me, I see and feel something real positive when I watch them. Whether Baldy's win over Gatti was not that big of an upset, it was an upset on different levels, because we all had to see the end of a great, exciting and likeable fighter's carreer.
Baldy has alot more to him than what people give him, he has more drive and more determination than I have seen in some fighters here recently.
So, does picking him to win make me wrong??
Nope, just a fan.......Pretty much the same as you PBF fans and I am no fan of his by far....
Good Luck,
Coach
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i want bladomir to win but i just dont see it happening
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This seems to be getting some good points & in lue of the RBR...I'd like to make this a sticky for a day or so if possible...because this fight is going to be a biggy...if anyone disagrees...then unsticky it...but be forewarned...whoever does so...I will bare knuckle box you NAKED in the streets in front of your peers. :-X
Sticky-fied.
Go at it bitches.
Hey Wacko it's a very interesting article you put up but I can't help but feel a little mystified as to why you rate Baldy's chances so highly.
Let me take you back a week or two the build up of the James Toney vs Sam Peter fight....
You felt that this fight would be a complete mismatch in favour of Toney with the former middlewight dominating his younger, heavier, stronger opponent. Even though Peter had only one defeat to the best heavyweight in the world currently fighting, and even though he decked him 3 times, you still thought that Toney would whitewash him.
At the time I thought this is higly unlikely as I stated, a pick em fight for me I said 8)
Anyway in that fight, the skilled fighter Toney, was 38 fighting a guy 10 years younger. He was outweighed by 30 lbs, was coming off a poor showing previously and is famous for coming into his fights in less than impressive condition, yet you still thought he would dominate Peter.
Now for the Mayweather Baldomir fight, we have two fighters who will probably weigh within 4 or 5 lbs of each other come fight night, (yes I know Baldy is a big guy), one is unbeaten the other has 9 losses.
Mayweather is as skilled if not more so than Toney was, but is also at the very top of his game and always comes in shape, fighting a guy who is 35, who doesn't have one punch ko power like Peter had, and to be honest is not a whole lot more skilfull.
I just cannot see what particular attributes of Baldy make you think he will get even close to beating Floyd? He's too slow, lacks the boxing skills and is not a big enough puncher to earn Floyds respect.
I cannot see this fight going any other way than a Floyd wide decision victory or a late stoppage, and to be honest in light of your previous fight picks I'm somewhat suprised that you do. ???
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As I have mentioned before in other posts, I am a new fan of this guy....
I seriously dig a guy that normally walks around at 190, drops weight to 140 and kicks a**....He has ungodly power and I dont see anyone in the weight class being able to hurt him...
YES, I think an upset of the year is in the making!!!
Baldy going to kick some a**!!!!
Good Luck,
Coach
First of all how do I get big side muscles, second there's nothing noble about losing all that weight to fight naturally smaller men ;)
