Punching the jab arm

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Here is a very very simple way to shorten the arms of an opponent with long arms and a busy jab; the funny thing is that it is THE natural counter in boxing and very difficult for him to counter.
Here is the premise: the motion you make to slip his jab so that it passes over your right shoulder- slipping it to the "inside" position- is the exact same motion as you make to throw a straight hand. He jabs, you step slightly forward and left with your left foot shifting the wt to your left leg, etc...Your step far enough to drop your body low enough so that you are able to drive a straight to his heart; in the early days of boxing this was a legitimate ko punch and still would be were the average "modern" fighter schooled well enough to throw it. Throw this punch and come back with a left uppercut or weave outside with a hook to the body or chin. However you do it this punch will discourage his jab in short order.

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hey grey, ive been thikning more and more recently that getting your opponent to commit to his jab - that is, so he really steps in with it - should be the main starting point for the direction of the fight to unfold from. so many nice counterpunches to use should this be established. you would have to stand so that you lean a bit back and to the right (the traditional stance) though as this is the extra distance that they try to compensate for.

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Originally Posted by Boxerjl

Ausome Im Pretty Sure Im Going to Join The Marines But Not Sure Yet

I Just Want To box ;D

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THey all have proper boxing programs. :)

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Here is a very very simple way to shorten the arms of an opponent with long arms and a busy jab; the funny thing is that it is THE natural counter in boxing and very difficult for him to counter.
Here is the premise: the motion you make to slip his jab so that it passes over your right shoulder- slipping it to the "inside" position- is the exact same motion as you make to throw a straight hand. He jabs, you step slightly forward and left with your left foot shifting the wt to your left leg, etc...Your step far enough to drop your body low enough so that you are able to drive a straight to his heart; in the early days of boxing this was a legitimate ko punch and still would be were the average "modern" fighter schooled well enough to throw it. Throw this punch and come back with a left uppercut or weave outside with a hook to the body or chin. However you do it this punch will discourage his jab in short order.

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Thats nice ,a natural move and a heart interupptor!

Your head is moving towards his rear arm as you slip ,with practice you could extend that arm slightly to cover the path of his rear hand with your left glove while your executing the right to the heart for safe keeping.
Specially if you do it more than once that way you may be chokeing out his next move already if he is just comming forward with a feint the second time around.

A variation (IF he is really comming forwards hard); could be to pull your left leg back slightly which also places that jab over your right shoulder as you throw your straight right and then cover from his rear glove and correct your footwork instantly under your next move . That keeps you out of range of that rear arm and can give you distance to adjust and catch him with weight and movment off your next punch .

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Originally Posted by ThomasTabin

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Originally Posted by greynotsoold

Here is a very very simple way to shorten the arms of an opponent with long arms and a busy jab; the funny thing is that it is THE natural counter in boxing and very difficult for him to counter.
Here is the premise: the motion you make to slip his jab so that it passes over your right shoulder- slipping it to the "inside" position- is the exact same motion as you make to throw a straight hand. He jabs, you step slightly forward and left with your left foot shifting the wt to your left leg, etc...Your step far enough to drop your body low enough so that you are able to drive a straight to his heart; in the early days of boxing this was a legitimate ko punch and still would be were the average "modern" fighter schooled well enough to throw it. Throw this punch and come back with a left uppercut or weave outside with a hook to the body or chin. However you do it this punch will discourage his jab in short order.

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hey grey, ive been thikning more and more recently that getting your opponent to commit to his jab - that is, so he really steps in with it - should be the main starting point for the direction of the fight to unfold from. so many nice counterpunches to use should this be established. you would have to stand so that you lean a bit back and to the right (the traditional stance) though as this is the extra distance that they try to compensate for.

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All this stuff you mention deserves alot of fore thought.

Here is another set of simular situations that was written up by my old friend Jesus Rodriguez who passed away after setting up his web site...so we lost the pictures unfortunatley as the site went down. Punchers/Movers will be able visualize it...I like the feint turned in direction and made real.

Lesson # 1: “The dissuasive jab; feinted to the solar plexus”.

In this lesson we are going to see 3 things:

1-How to throw a jab to the solar plexus.
2-How to jab to the top feinting a jab to the solar plexus.
3-How to use this feint as a dissuasive weapon against an opponent who tries to counter your jab to the bottom with a straight right.

The great Sugar Ray Robinson was a master throwing this punch. And like him you can even throw it against shorter opponents.
A good indication that you are throwing it properly is when your arm is parallel to the floor at the punch’s contact.

A long step and bending your knees to the maximum guarantees the proper arm position. Also bending from your waistline and leaning your upper body to the side are important points (see picture# 1).

Picture # 1. - There are a few minor points that you can adjust in this picture so as to suit varying situations.

Lets suppose that you have thrown a few good jabs to your opponent’s body; the next time, you are going to feint throwing it low and go to his head instead.
For you to succeed you have to look at his body until your punch makes contact, also you must bend and lean your body as if you were throwing a real low jab . (see picture # 2).

Picture # 2. - Of course you can throw this jab even before you start
throwing your low jabs.

It is more fun when facing an opponent who is highly confident in countering your jab to the bottom with a straight right hand (see picture # 3).

Picture # 3. - Your opponent has once again tried to counter with his right hand but you have made him pay for it!

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I see from re reading it , that it also incorporates both the lean to the side and the step forward that you both have mentioned.