Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
Basically.....i will say this.....It would be GREAT to see a prime Mike bust on to the heavy scene now as he would DESTROY every single fighter out there atm EASILY.
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by ross
Youve used the best example of how poor todays heavys are, Toney !!!
Yes Toney makes todays heavys look silly, the reason he makes them look silly is because hes an old ex middle.
His opponents in lower weights werent so poor against him because they could fight, they werent just reliant on their power.
Toney would have struggled with Mikes opponents back then, they werent plodders
This is an excellent point :coolclick:
The fact that Toney can live amongst the current heavyweights at age 38, with over 80 fights and being obese shows just how S*** the division is right now.
An even bigger shock is that when Hopkins a former 160 lber announced his intention to move up at AGE 41!!! to fight a 235 lb heavyweight champ in Maskaev the vast majority on this board think Hopkins would win easily.
That there tells you just how S*** the heavies are today!
If the trend continues expect to see Floyd Mayweather and even Manny Pacquio trying their luck in 4 or 5 years time :P
Not the old "sad state of the heavydivision crap again". The fact that Toney can survive with the heavies today doesn't say jack shit about their talent level but instead it says everything about James toney's choice of opponents.
James Toney is cherry picking fights, he knows how to survive in this division and so far, he's done failry well at it. i remeber when Viatli offered James a 60/40 split and a shot at the WBC belt and Toney created some excuse not to bite. As a matter of fact, i don't think Toney has fought any of the current heavyweight title holders.
The media has created this redundant BS dribble about "the horrible heavy division" instead of writing articles that put pressure on the organizations to have a unification Tounament.
Of course everyone's going to want to fight Maskaev, he's almost 38 and he has a questionable past in the ring. How many of these overblown middle weights are dying to jump in the ring with Wlad???
The division is not as bad as they say...the matchups however are.
I wouldn't be suprised though if we see more and more folks resorting to the good ole "sad state of the heavy division" statement as the Russian Heavies are not popular here in other countries.
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by ross
Youve used the best example of how poor todays heavys are, Toney !!!
Yes Toney makes todays heavys look silly, the reason he makes them look silly is because hes an old ex middle.
His opponents in lower weights werent so poor against him because they could fight, they werent just reliant on their power.
Toney would have struggled with Mikes opponents back then, they werent plodders
This is an excellent point :coolclick:
The fact that Toney can live amongst the current heavyweights at age 38, with over 80 fights and being obese shows just how S*** the division is right now.
An even bigger shock is that when Hopkins a former 160 lber announced his intention to move up at AGE 41!!! to fight a 235 lb heavyweight champ in Maskaev the vast majority on this board think Hopkins would win easily.
That there tells you just how S*** the heavies are today!
If the trend continues expect to see Floyd Mayweather and even Manny Pacquio trying their luck in 4 or 5 years time :P
Not the old "sad state of the heavydivision crap again". The fact that Toney can survive with the heavies today doesn't say jack S*** about their talent level but instead it says everything about James toney's choice of opponents.
James Toney is cherry picking fights, he knows how to survive in this division and so far, he's done failry well at it. i remeber when Viatli offered James a 60/40 split and a shot at the WBC belt and Toney created some excuse not to bite. As a matter of fact, i don't think Toney has fought any of the current heavyweight title holders.
The media has created this redundant BS dribble about "the horrible heavy division" instead of writing articles that put pressure on the organizations to have a unification Tounament.
Of course everyone's going to want to fight Maskaev, he's almost 38 and he has a questionable past in the ring. How many of these overblown middle weights are dying to jump in the ring with Wlad???
The division is not as bad as they say...
the matchups however are.
I wouldn't be suprised though if we see more and more folks resorting to the good ole "sad state of the heavy division" statement as the Russian Heavies are not popular here in other countries.
Um, mucho testosterone, would you do me a favor and post a link of a source saying Toney turned down a 60/40 split with Vitaly, because I'm afraid I might have to pull your bullsh!t card on that one ::**
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by smashcrusher
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by ross
Youve used the best example of how poor todays heavys are, Toney !!!
Yes Toney makes todays heavys look silly, the reason he makes them look silly is because hes an old ex middle.
His opponents in lower weights werent so poor against him because they could fight, they werent just reliant on their power.
Toney would have struggled with Mikes opponents back then, they werent plodders
This is an excellent point :coolclick:
The fact that Toney can live amongst the current heavyweights at age 38, with over 80 fights and being obese shows just how S*** the division is right now.
An even bigger shock is that when Hopkins a former 160 lber announced his intention to move up at AGE 41!!! to fight a 235 lb heavyweight champ in Maskaev the vast majority on this board think Hopkins would win easily.
That there tells you just how S*** the heavies are today!
If the trend continues expect to see Floyd Mayweather and even Manny Pacquio trying their luck in 4 or 5 years time :P
Not the old "sad state of the heavydivision crap again". The fact that Toney can survive with the heavies today doesn't say jack S*** about their talent level but instead it says everything about James toney's choice of opponents.
James Toney is cherry picking fights, he knows how to survive in this division and so far, he's done failry well at it. i remeber when Viatli offered James a 60/40 split and a shot at the WBC belt and Toney created some excuse not to bite. As a matter of fact, i don't think Toney has fought any of the current heavyweight title holders.
The media has created this redundant BS dribble about "the horrible heavy division" instead of writing articles that put pressure on the organizations to have a unification Tounament.
Of course everyone's going to want to fight Maskaev, he's almost 38 and he has a questionable past in the ring. How many of these overblown middle weights are dying to jump in the ring with Wlad???
The division is not as bad as they say...
the matchups however are.
I wouldn't be suprised though if we see more and more folks resorting to the good ole "sad state of the heavy division" statement as the Russian Heavies are not popular here in other countries.
Um, mucho testosterone, would you do me a favor and post a link of a source saying Toney turned down a 60/40 split with Vitaly, because I'm afraid I might have to pull your bullsh!t card on that one ::**
http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article9720.html
That's just one place...just one!
And after you read it you know what you can do with your bullshit card, right?
If not pm me and I'll give you directions!
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
in the 80's the crop of fighters operating in the heavyweight division 86 onwards couldn't cope with him, he HAD a raw, frenitic, imtimitating, powerful and quick ability which is only availbile to a young man, holmes was a old man when they fought, but in the 90's there were a much better crop of heavys, holyfield, bowe, lewis, moorer, morrison, later on tua, ibebuchi, golota
i feel he would have had more truble had he began in the 90's
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
He fought most of the guys he could fight,I don't remember him ducking anyone in his prime,so you cannot really criticize him. I don't remember Lewis calling him out earlier in his career and had Tyson had started off in the 90's,I have no doubt whatsoever he would have dominated,his skills surpassed anything I see from the current generation,I only envisage Tua and Ibeabuechi's power giving him trouble. The fact that RJJ can move up and win a title,the fact that everyone can beat everyone,the fact that James Toney,in his condition,can hang with these guys and the fact that B Hop,a fricking 160 pounder a year ago is moving up shows the state of the division!
Fact is,Tyson had 1 punch power,power in both hands,head movement,speed,great defence with his bobbing and weaving etc etc,I just don't see how any of the current HW's could hang with him,none of them has even remotely the same amount of skill and his resume is probably better the current generations too"
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He fought most of the guys he could fight,I don't remember him ducking anyone in his prime,so you cannot really criticize him. I don't remember Lewis calling him out earlier in his career and had Tyson had started off in the 90's,I have no doubt whatsoever he would have dominated,his skills surpassed anything I see from the current generation,I only envisage Tua and Ibeabuechi's power giving him trouble. The fact that RJJ can move up and win a title,the fact that everyone can beat everyone,the fact that James Toney,in his condition,can hang with these guys and the fact that B Hop,a fricking 160 pounder a year ago is moving up shows the state of the division!
Fact is,Tyson had 1 punch power,power in both hands,head movement,speed,great defence with his bobbing and weaving etc etc,I just don't see how any of the current HW's could hang with him,none of them has even remotely the same amount of skill and his resume is probably better the current generations too"
I think the talent is there today, but either you accept it or you don't. It really boils down to how you recieve Wlad....some folks like him and some don't. Either way he has a lot of talent.
Tyson was good, but in my opinion he never reached his pinacle.
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
ROCKY MARCIANOS OPPONENTS
JOE LOUIS 69-2-0
JERSEY JOE WALLCOT 51-16-2
ROLAND LASTARZA 37-0-0
EZZARD CHARLES 79-10-1
DON COCKELL 65-11-1
ARCHIE MOORE 148-19-9
HARRY KID MATTHEWS 81-4-5
JOE LOUIS OPPONENTS
Rocky Marciano 184 37-0-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA L KO 8 10
~ Referee: Ruby Goldstein 2-4 | Judge: Joe Agnello 2-5 | Judge: Harold Barnes 3-4 ~
Louis knocked down twice in the 8th. Marciano dropped Louis for an 8-count with a left hook, and then sent him through the ropes for the knockout.
1951-08-15 203 Jimmy Bivins 180 78-20-1
Memorial Stadium, Baltimore, MD, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Eddie Leonard 7-3 | Judge: Lee Halfpenny 6-3 | Judge: Bill Ellis 6-3 ~
1951-08-01 207½ Cesar Silverio Brion 197 31-5-0
Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Fred Apostoli ~
1951-06-15 211¼ Lee Savold 190 93-38-3
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W KO 6 15
~ Referee: Ruby Goldstein | Judge: Frank Forbes | Judge: Harold Barnes ~
Prior to this match, Savold was recognized as Heavyweight Champion by the British Boxing Board of Control;
following this fight, the BBBC recognized Ezzard Charles. Louis knocked out Savold with a left hook.
1951-05-02 208¼ Omelio Agramonte 188½ 38-11-0
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Lou Handler 57-43 | Judge: Joe Lenahan 57-43 | Judge: Jack Aspery 59-41 ~
1951-02-23 207 Andy Walker 194 17-8-7
Cow Palace, San Francisco, CA, USA W TKO 10 10
~ Time: 1:49 | Referee: Frankie Brown ~
1951-02-07 209 Omelio Agramonte 187½ 36-10-0
Miami Stadium, Miami, FL, USA W UD 10 10
1951-01-03 210¼ Freddie Beshore 191½ 28-9-1
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI, USA W TKO 4 10
~ Time: 2:48 | Referee: John Weber ~
The bout was stopped on advice from the ring doctor. Beshore bleeding from his nose, and he had a bad cut on his left eyelid.
1950-11-29 216 Cesar Silverio Brion 196 28-3-0
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, IL, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Frank Gilmer 56-44 | 55-45 | 55-44 ~
1950-09-27 218 Ezzard Charles 184½ 60-5-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA L UD 15 15
~ Referee: Mark Conn 5-10 | Judge: Frank Forbes 2-13 | Judge: Joe Agnello 3-12 ~
World Heavyweight Title
~ After this fight, Charles became universally recognized as the World Heavyweight Champion. ~
1948-06-25 213½ Jersey Joe Walcott 194¾ 44-12-2
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 11 15
~ Referee: Frank Fullam 5-2 | Judge: Jack O'Sullivan 4-5 | Judge: Harold Barnes 3-6 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis was down for no-count in round three. Louis announced his retirement on March 1, 1949
1947-12-05 211½ Jersey Joe Walcott 194½ 44-11-2
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W SD 15 15
~ Referee: Ruby Goldstein 6-7 | Judge: Frank Forbes 8-6 | Judge: Marty Monroe 9-6 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis down in 1st and 4th.
1946-09-18 211¼ Tami Mauriello 198½ 69-7-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 1 15
~ Time: 2:09 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Attendance: 38,494.
A short but thrilling fight as Mauriello drove Louis to the rights with a smashing right to the jaw early in the first round.
1946-06-19 207 Billy Conn 182 62-11-1
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 8 15
~ Time: 2:19 | Referee: Eddie Joseph 5-2 | Judge: Frank Forbes 5-1 | Judge: Jack O'Sullivan 5-1 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Conn's performance against Louis during this bout would earn him the Associated Press's annual "Flop of the Year" award.
1944-11-14 205 Johnny Davis 190 3-3-0
Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, NY, USA W KO 1 4
~ Time: 0:53 ~
Heavyweight title at stake per New York State Athletic Commission ruling
1942-03-27 207½ Abe Simon 255¼ 36-9-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 6 15
~ Referee: Eddie Joseph ~
World Heavyweight Title
Poster
Simon was down at the bell in both the second and fifth round.
1942-01-09 206½ Buddy Baer 250 50-6-0
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W KO 1 15
~ Time: 2:56 | Referee: Frank Fullam ~
World Heavyweight Title
Baer down 3 times.
1941-09-29 202¼ Lou Nova 202½ 26-2-4
Polo Grounds, New York, NY, USA W TKO 6 15
~ Time: 2:59 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Nova was knocked down once in the 6th round. Lou made a poor showing. According to Nat Fleischer (The Ring, December 1941, page 4) he didn't win a round and took a terrible beating in the sixth round. The end was somewhat controversial because the fight was stopped with just one second left in the round when Nova arose unsteadily from the knockdown.
1941-06-18 199½ Billy Conn 174 59-10-1
Polo Grounds, New York, NY, USA W KO 13 15
~ Time: 2:58 | Referee: Eddie Joseph ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis behind on points on two of the cards, even on the other. Two rights to Conn's jaw ended the fight.
1941-05-23 201¾ Buddy Baer 237½ 50-5-0
Griffith Stadium, Washington, DC, USA W DQ 7 15
~ Referee: Arthur Donovan | Judge: Jimmy Sullivan | Judge: Dr. ? Treeg ? ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis down in first, Baer down three times in sixth. Last knockdown of Baer after the bell, according to Baer's manager, who then refuses to leave the ring, upon which Baer is disqualified.
1941-04-08 203¼ Tony Musto 199½ 28-10-2
Arena, St. Louis, MO, USA W TKO 9 15
~ Time: 1:36 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Musto was knocked down in the 3rd round.
1941-03-21 202 Abe Simon 254½ 34-7-0
Olympia Stadium, Detroit, MI, USA W TKO 13 20
~ Time: 1:20 | Referee: Sam Hennessey 9-2 | Judge: Dad Butler 3-1 | Judge: Frank Neville 7-4 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Simon was on the canvas four times before being stopped.
1941-02-17 203 Gus Dorazio 193 50-9-1
Convention Hall, Philadelphia, PA, USA W KO 2 15
~ Time: 1:30 | Referee: Irving Kutcher ~
World Heavyweight Title
1941-01-31 202½ Red Burman 188 71-16-2
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W KO 5 15
~ Time: 2:49 | Referee: Frank Fullam ~
World Heavyweight Title
Burman was stopped by a body punch.
1940-12-16 202¼ Al McCoy 180¾ 115-31-20
Boston Garden, Boston, MA, USA W TKO 6 15
~ Referee: Johnny Martin ~
World Heavyweight Title
A badly swollen left eye saw the fight stopped after the end of the fifth round.
"Confusion marked the end of this battle at the end of five rounds in which suspense was high because it was felt that anything might happen, but practically nothing did." The New York Times.
1940-06-20 199 Arturo Godoy 201½ 53-9-7
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W TKO 8 15
~ Time: 1:24 | Referee: Billy Cavanaugh ~
World Heavyweight Title
Godoy was knocked down twice in the 8th round.
1940-03-29 200½ Johnny Paychek 187½ 40-4-1
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 2 15
~ Time: 0:41 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Paychek was down for three nine-counts in the first round.
1940-02-09 203 Arturo Godoy 202 53-8-7
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W SD 15 15
~ Referee: Arthur Donovan 10-4 | Judge: Tommy Shortell 2-10 | Judge: George LeCron 10-4 ~
World Heavyweight Title
"Louis won sloppily against a bruising, mauling and rushing fighter who knew no fear or retreat." The New York Times
The only rounds in which the three agreed were the 3rd, 8th (both to Godoy) and the 14th (Louis). Godoy thought he was entitled to a draw but the New York Times reported the decision as "eminently fair" - its reporter giving it 10-5 to Louis, stating that other reporters had a similar result.
1939-09-20 200 Bob Pastor 183 38-4-4
Briggs Stadium, Detroit, MI, USA W KO 11 20
~ Referee: Sam Hennessey ~
World Heavyweight Title
Pastor was down four times in round one and once in round two.
1939-06-28 200¾ Tony Galento 233¾ 76-23-5
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W TKO 4 15
~ Time: 2:29 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Louis was staggered in round one and Galento was dropped in the second round. Louis was knocked down in third round.
1939-04-17 201¼ Jack Roper 204¾ 54-41-9
Wrigley Field, Los Angeles, CA, USA W KO 1 10
~ Time: 2:20 | Referee: George Blake ~
World Heavyweight Title
1939-01-25 200¼ John Henry Lewis 180¾ 93-7-5
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W KO 1 15
~ Time: 2:29 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Lewis was knocked down three times.
1938-06-22 198¾ Max Schmeling 193 52-7-4
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 1 15
~ Time: 2:04 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Schmeling was down twice before the fight was stopped.
1938-04-01 202½ Harry Thomas 196 32-10-2
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, IL, USA W KO 5 15
~ Time: 2:50 ~
World Heavyweight Title
Thomas was down five times before the knockout.
1938-02-23 200 Nathan Mann 193½ 40-4-3
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W KO 3 15
~ Time: 1:56 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Mann was down three times before the knockout.
1937-08-30 197 Tommy Farr 204¼ 66-20-13
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W UD 15 15
~ Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
World Heavyweight Title
Scores: Referee Donovan 13-1-1; judges 8-5-2 and 9-6
1937-06-22 197¼ Jim Braddock 197 50-25-7
Comiskey Park, Chicago, IL, USA W KO 8 15
~ Referee: Tommy Thomas ~
~ NYSAC World Heavyweight Title ~
~ National Boxing Association World Heavyweight Title ~
Louis down in 1st; Braddock in 8th.
NYSAC recognized Louis as Champion on June 30; NBA on July 1
1937-02-17 206 Natie Brown 199½ 29-20-6
Municipal Auditorium, Kansas City, MO, USA W KO 4 10
~ Referee: Walter Bates ~
1937-01-29 203¼ Bob Pastor 179 21-1-2
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W UD 10 10
~ Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1937-01-11 200½ Steve Ketchel 216 0-0-0
Broadway Auditorium, Buffalo, NY, USA W KO 2 4
~ Time: 0:31 | Referee: Johnny McAvoy ~
Ketchell was a sub for Lou Poster
1936-12-14 202¼ Eddie Simms 195 19-18-3
Public Auditorium, Cleveland, OH, USA W TKO 1 10
~ Time: 0:26 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
Referee Donovan stopped the bout because "another blow might have resulted fatally." This is the first time Simms had been knocked out in 52 contests. (AP)
1936-10-09 202 Jorge Brescia 205½ 8-0-0
Hippodrome, New York, NY, USA W KO 3 10
~ Time: 2:12 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1936-09-22 203¼ Al Ettore 189¼ 55-7-2
Municipal Stadium, Philadelphia, PA, USA W KO 5 15
~ Time: 1:28 | Referee: Joe McGuigan ~
Attendance: 40,407
1936-08-18 199¾ Jack Sharkey 197¼ 38-13-3
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 3 10
~ Time: 1:02 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1936-06-19 198 Max Schmeling 192 48-7-4
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA L KO 12 15
~ Time: 2:29 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
Louis was down in the 4th and 12th rounds.
The bout was delayed a day because of rain. The odds were 10-to-1 Louis would win, 4-to-1 he would win by kayo, and 2-to-1 Schmeling wouldn't be on his feet in the seventh round. Louis's share of the gate was $139,483.50, and Schmeling's was a guaranteed $150,000, tax-free. (Tom O'Rourke died of a heart attack in Schmeling´s dressing room just before this bout.)
1936-01-17 199¾ Charley Retzlaff 198½ 59-7-2
Chicago Stadium, Chicago, IL, USA W KO 1 15
~ Time: 1:25 ~
Retzlaff down twice. Attendance: 16,486.
1935-12-13 200½ Paolino Uzcudun 207 50-16-3
Madison Square Garden, New York, NY, USA W TKO 4 15
~ Time: 2:32 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
1935-09-24 198 Max Baer 210 40-8-0
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W KO 4 15
~ Time: 3:09 | Referee: Arthur Donovan ~
Attendance: 88,150
It was soon after determined that Baer should have been saved by the bell, as the round had actually lasted 3:09½; and the rest period before the fourth round had lasted 74 seconds instead of one minute.
1935-08-07 198½ King Levinsky 197¾ 67-24-5
Comiskey Park, Chicago, IL, USA W TKO 1 10
~ Time: 2:21 | Referee: Norm McGarrity ~
Description of Bout
1935-06-25 196 Primo Carnera 260½ 83-7-0
Yankee Stadium, Bronx, NY, USA W TKO 6 15
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
He fought most of the guys he could fight,I don't remember him ducking anyone in his prime,so you cannot really criticize him. I don't remember Lewis calling him out earlier in his career and had Tyson had started off in the 90's,I have no doubt whatsoever he would have dominated,his skills surpassed anything I see from the current generation,I only envisage Tua and Ibeabuechi's power giving him trouble. The fact that RJJ can move up and win a title,the fact that everyone can beat everyone,the fact that James Toney,in his condition,can hang with these guys and the fact that B Hop,a fricking 160 pounder a year ago is moving up shows the state of the division!
Fact is,Tyson had 1 punch power,power in both hands,head movement,speed,great defence with his bobbing and weaving etc etc,I just don't see how any of the current HW's could hang with him,none of them has even remotely the same amount of skill and his resume is probably better the current generations too"
i did hear that tyson bowe was going fight but tyson injured rib in training and i dont agree with him dominating in early 90s either prime in shape bowe would be very tough prime holyfield aswell prime lewis aswell prime ray mercer all would be tough and of course ones u mentioned tua and ike would be tough aswell hell even old fat foreman with his iron chin and awesome power might trouble tyson aswell
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
My take on this is,
The HWs today dont carry the division today with the swagger that the HWs did back then. The HWs of yesterday were gentlemen, they were boxers and they studied the sweet science as if they were in college.
I see very few fighters today that actually still study film, investigate their opponents and the records they have. They leave it to their management to do it for them and most of those guys have never stepped into the ring. So now they are taking advice on how someone looks from someone who is basically there financially and not for the sport....
This is where we run into the major upsets...
I feel that guys like Ruiz, Toney, Holyfield and others are giving the Division a black eye, because people are sick of seeing old guys in the ring beat the shit out of each other...
They need to retire and leave the sport in the hands of the men coming in behind them. These old guys are cloggin up the rankings and not allowing for these younger guys to get in there and show what they have. If the majority of the men in the Division that need to retire, would just do that, then you would see alot of newer and more exciting faces on the scene....
I am sick of how the division has made itself over the past few years, we used to have guys up there that were eye-catchers. You always wanted to see what they were going to say or do next. these guys today, well, nobody really gives a shit....
Good Luck,
Coach
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
CC IceCold, those guys had to beat SOMEONE to get a shot at THE title instead of one of 3 titles
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
lewis never called him out because he only fights top names when there broken down has beens
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
Well Tyson developed alot faster than Lennox (Lennox was just turning pro as Tyson's reign as champ was coming to an end), and it would have been dumb for him to call him out then, as he would have surely been crushed. But uncontrollable circumstances (prison) kept them from fighting in the early 90s, and Tyson did pay Lennox step aside money to fight Bruce Seldon instead of Lennox.
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by Lyle
CC IceCold, those guys had to beat SOMEONE to get a shot at THE title instead of one of 3 titles
thanks cc back lyle
Re: lets have look at tyson opponents records when he was champ in 80s + 90s
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Originally Posted by mucho testosterone
The fact that Toney can survive with the heavies today doesn't say jack S*** about their talent level but instead it says everything about James toney's choice of opponents.
Toney has fought at least 3 of the top tier guys at heavy and done well, hes a short fat old middle
