Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by boxman
If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.
I do believe that was at least one owner ago if not two. I like them better because unlike with the alphabelts you dont have to pay them to be ranked. With the alphabelts you have to pay sanctioning fees to them for your bouts. The more bouts you have sanctioned by them the better your ranking. At least from what I have read from various websites this how it works. If you look at the rankings there a only a few boxers ranked by each alphabelt organization.
That is my 2 cents anyways.
It's all bullshat in my opionion. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world but is ruined by having the worst structure of any sport in the world.
I just wish someone could buy out all the governing bodies and just have one world title belt for each weight.
Unfortunately it seems to be going the other way with new ranking bodies popping up every year. I reckon by about 2030 you could just randomly pick any three letters in any order and you will nearly certainly have the initials of some ranking body. :-\
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)
for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??
Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!
Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)
And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by TyBuff
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Originally Posted by boxman
If I may add the ring has a very shady history. In the late seventies and early eighties they were known to play with a lot of the rankings some times even adding fake victory's to a boxers record in order to make him look more worthy of joining the infamous Don King tournament which for the most part was made up of scrubs. Don would pay them under the able of course for this. I know this was a long time ago but if htey were bought once they can be bought again. Who's to say that they dont still except mony from managers and promoters in order to have their fighters discretely move up a few ranks in order to make them look more worthy to the public. I aint saying this is going on, but I am saying its very possible.
I do believe that was at least one owner ago if not two. I like them better because unlike with the alphabelts you dont have to pay them to be ranked. With the alphabelts you have to pay sanctioning fees to them for your bouts. The more bouts you have sanctioned by them the better your ranking. At least from what I have read from various websites this how it works. If you look at the rankings there a only a few boxers ranked by each alphabelt organization.
That is my 2 cents anyways.
It's all bullshat in my opionion. Boxing is the greatest sport in the world but is ruined by having the worst structure of any sport in the world.
I just wish someone could buy out all the governing bodies and just have one world title belt for each weight.
Unfortunately it seems to be going the other way with new ranking bodies popping up every year. I reckon by about 2030 you could just randomly pick any three letters in any order and you will nearly certainly have the initials of some ranking body. :-\
I wish they could put in a system similar to the American Baseball system. They have several minor leagues where players are assigned and can learn the game. They have Rookie leagues, Class A, AA, AAA leagues (AAA being the highest). It would be nice if boxing could have some type of similar system to where people have to earn their way up the ladder instead of having the right promoter.
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
CC Killer,I think they all seem to be a bit wack,I mean Boxrec,Lazcano?? ;D
Correct me if I'm wrong but not only is there not that much difference between the rankings BUT wasn't the RING the only 1 which has ACTAULLY been found of fixing it's rankings(I have a relaible source-BRITKID ;D)
I just don't see why they are so hihgly rated,just look like another ranking system to me,as confused as the others.
The Ring went through its' own scandal involving the ratings in the late 1970s. The Ring no longer has the same people running it from back then...regardless of what Britkid says (I like Britkid but his personal bias sometimes clouds the issues).
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)
for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??
Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!
Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)
And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.
He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!
cc
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!
cc
cc back bro, everyone is gonna have differences with rankings because everyone has their favourites. But I feel the Rings rankings are unbaised & pretty close to the mark!
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
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Originally Posted by lance Uppercut
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Originally Posted by galaxy76
I feel the Ring rankings are the best, they are always pretty accurate. You won't find them moving undesrving fighters into the top 10 just to get title shots like alphabet boys do. As for the rating fixing it was over 30 years ago get over it. If you want to make that relavant try to get some dirt on Nigel Collins. You can't! The guys clean, loves the sport & is only trying to make the sport we love better. The Ring charges no fees to champions. At the end of the day the Ring create the idea of ranking fighters!!!
cc
cc back bro, everyone is gonna have differences with rankings because everyone has their favourites. But I feel the Rings rankings are unbaised & pretty close to the mark!
No matter which way you look at it or where you put your rankings stock its the best of the bunch.
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)
for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??
Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!
Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)
And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.
He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..
Clottey can be passive until he has your hurt. Margarito could outhustle him
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)
for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??
Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!
Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)
And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.
He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..
Clottey can be passive until he has your hurt. Margarito could outhustle him
Margarito will bring the tiger out in Clottey. This is a great action fight for the fans ! both guys should be commended on taking this match- up, as the threat level to both is very high.
Re: Question about Ring Mag rankings(don't mean to sound rude!)
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Lords Gym
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I just want to know why you guys think they are so great? I was just checking out their rankings and they seem as bad as all the other organisations(forgive me if I'm missing something,I don't know much about them)
for WW,they have Zab Judah at number 3 despite having lost 4 of his last 7 fights,they have Urkal at 6,Gatti at 7 above Quintana,Julio,Williams etc. I could give more examples too,I meanw hat do they use to caculate their system??
Also,Margarito has been in the top 10 for 273 FOOOOOOKING WEEKS!! WTF does this man have to do to nail a shot at the big time!!
Zab is 3 because he lost to 1(Baldomir) and 2(Mayweather)
And Margarito has been in the top to for 273 weeks. It's more his fault for not landing a shot because in those 273 weeks he's fought nobody mister rubble.
He going to get a wake up call when he fights Joshua Clottey. Clottey is fast and super strong. I look for Clottey to knockout Margarito in about the 10th, Clottey throws a mean body shot. I'm talking sledge hammer. Should be intresting..
Clottey can be passive until he has your hurt. Margarito could outhustle him
Margarito will bring the tiger out in Clottey. This is a great action fight for the fans ! both guys should be commended on taking this match- up, as the threat level to both is very high.
Should be a goodie, I wouldn't be surprised if Clottey pulss of the upset
