Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Good news for Bika is...
Before the Lacy fight, Joe looked like he was slipping.
He looked "sluggish," "fought down to his opponent's level," started to get "long in the tooth."
Honestly, I don't remember Joe being sluggish other than against Ashira...& again...honestly...Joe aint that long in the tooth...so to speak. He's made minced meat out of his opposition...so there haven't been but a couple of "wars" for Joe to endure.
Not being arguementative...but for discussions sake...which fight is it that you consider that he "fought down to his opponent's level"?
I've got all of Joe's fights on tape other than maybe 2 or 3 of his first shots out of the gate...& I'm just curious as to what your'e talking about. Other than the Ashira matter...I can't recall that many slips. Sure he's been hurt...but he gutted it out to win.
Again...not argueing...just being curious.
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Originally Posted by Gyrokai
The way Joe fought Lacy that night, he should have had all KO's on his record, early too! :o
Huh? You mean, he should have KO'd Lacy? Not sure what you mean. Joe's got a pretty good KO percentage amongst his many wins.
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Joe just fought too good with Lacy. But he's "not consistent."
Disagree here totally. Other than the mishaps during his hand issues...Joe's pretty damned consistent & good at what he does.
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Bad news for Bika is...
HBO picked HIM for a reason. One of them is he's no Collazo! ;)
Ha. Now that is pretty funny. The problem is...there aint a Collazo at 168lbs...the only legit threat MIGHT be Kessler. Joe already smoked the fire of 168.
Again, I just hope that he's recovered from the hand issues. Another thing is...I just hope that he's properly motivated...I mean he had to get up for Lacy...let's just hope he doesn't sell himself short this go round...
Doubt that'll be an issue.
Woah Wacko. :o
Remember. It's me. :'(
Well take it easy there. ;D
I just wanted answers from a Calzaghe fan and I got them. heheh
The reason I have so many quotation marks is this is because these "phrases" came from
respectable writers before the Lacy fight. So I can't back them up, because Joe is
a well kept secret. I wish I could have seen him more. I've basically seen one older fight
and a few clips of others. And the Joe that fought Lacy looked like he'd kill 90's Jones Jr.!!! hahaha
..... well I won't get THAT carried away.. but he looked Spectacular to say the least.
Seriously, that handspeed and that ... what? ... 1900 PLUS punching stats, whatever it was,
was just UNHUMAN! He made Lacy look like he was fighting in mud, he was so rapid in flurries.
The performance was SO good, I don't think he'll ever live up to that fight again..... unless it's
a big fight. I have a suspicion that Joe Calzaghe only gets up for big fights. Because had he
always performed as well as he had with Lacy, he'd already have a deal with HBO.
Bika is not a threat and not worthy of HBO. He's only meant for the debut of Joe Calzaghe on HBO.
I only mentioned Collazo because we all knew he was dangerous from the get go and afterwards
Hatton paid for it... Ricky won... but the Hatton Express took a stop afterwards.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12. At the end of the day Calzaghe is an exciting fighter when the hands hold up, and the opponent turns up looking to do something other than tie him up every time. And even when the opponent does that, Calzaghe will out work and win on points.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
I just watched Bika-Beyer to see what Bika was like, first things first though I am fascinated by German entrances. I mean there was Abraham's smurf thing, and now Beyer has this German techno music with this dude with a mohawk singing while they had like 20 girls dancing in this I don't know scaffolding or something while Beyer walks to the ring.
Bika's allright I guess, his jab and right hand are pretty good but he can't trade with Calzaghe, his combinations are slow and wide, Joe should force a fast pace cause Bika's only chance is to try to get a slow pace and jab and throw the right hand. Head's like a statue too, doesn't move much at all. That being said he could have easily gotten the first three rounds against Beyer.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12.
So you're saying that he only doesn't look impressive when his opponent doesn't come in to lay down?
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12.
So you're saying that he only doesn't look impressive when his opponent doesn't come in to lay down?
You obviously dont rate Calzaghe. You obviously havent seen many of his fights too.
Am I correct in my assumptions? ::**
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12.
So you're saying that he only doesn't look impressive when his opponent doesn't come in to lay down?
You obviously dont rate Calzaghe. You obviously havent seen many of his fights too.
Am I correct in my assumptions? ::**
I rate Calzaghe very highly and was impressed with him against Lacy. I was just asking questions. And nope I haven't seen many Calzaghe fights and I don't act like I have either, if you properly read what I say. READ my first statement.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12.
So you're saying that he only doesn't look impressive when his opponent doesn't come in to lay down?
Naah man, what I was saying was that it is very difficult to look good when someone comes in looking to spoil, looking to run away, and looking to stop you punching rather than looking for a win themselves. Have you ever seen an entertaining fight where one boxer really doesn't want to be there? There ain't too many examples (and I await your list ;)) that I can remmeber.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Originally Posted by Majesty
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Originally Posted by Fenster
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Originally Posted by Majesty
If Bika forgets how to move his head then Joe will hit him 1000 times. But if he shows head movement and a few boxing keys Joe can look ordinary. He just had the perfect opponent in front of him in Lacy imo. Not discrediting what Calzaghe did. But if Calzaghe was THAT good he would always look the way he did with Lacy. And if he did Lacy wouldn't have been favored. And one performance shouldn't define how good he is, its whether he's consistant with it imo.
Spoken like someone thats only ever seen one Calzaghe fight.
Too right Fenster, if you look back over many of Calzaghe's fights he has looked impressive, usually except when a spoiler comes in looking to take him the distance. Kabary Salem was the typical example of this, who came in looking to go 12.
So you're saying that he only doesn't look impressive when his opponent doesn't come in to lay down?
Naah man, what I was saying was that it is very difficult to look good when someone comes in looking to spoil, looking to run away, and looking to stop you punching rather than looking for a win themselves. Have you ever seen an entertaining fight where one boxer really doesn't want to be there? There ain't too many examples (and I await your list ;)) that I can remmeber.
I don't get what you mean. Let me address my questions to you ok I'll quote what you said. :)
"Naah man, what I was saying was that it is very difficult to look good when someone comes in looking to spoil, looking to run away, and looking to stop you punching rather than looking for a win themselves."
Thats the same with all boxers. You mentioned Salem, did he knock Calzaghe down? Mitchell didn't run.
But so you're saying that they are looking to come in and spoil, but survive? And not get stopped right? Or are you saying they come to fight? I don't get what you mean.
"Have you ever seen an entertaining fight where one boxer really doesn't want to be there? There ain't too many examples (and I await your list ;)) that I can remmeber."
No there's not many, but McCall and Lewis was funny while it lasted.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Yeah, what I meant was that they're coming in to survive and spoil. Man, I tell ya, Mitchell v Calzaghe were two of the best rounds of boxing I've seen. They were both all-action and went in there to knock seven shades of s**t out of each other.
Salem did knock Joe down, but it was one high point in a dreary fight from him. But as he's hsown time and again, getting knocked down isn't too much of a problem for Joe, and his attacking style will leave him a little open. That's why people though Lacy would win, but he wasn't quick enough to catch him open. I'm sure Joe'll look impressive come Friday night, it won't go any distance at all I'm sure, unless Bika springs a big surprise.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Yeah, what I meant was that they're coming in to survive and spoil. Man, I tell ya, Mitchell v Calzaghe were two of the best rounds of boxing I've seen. They were both all-action and went in there to knock seven shades of s**t out of each other.
Salem did knock Joe down, but it was one high point in a dreary fight from him. But as he's hsown time and again, getting knocked down isn't too much of a problem for Joe, and his attacking style will leave him a little open. That's why people though Lacy would win, but he wasn't quick enough to catch him open. I'm sure Joe'll look impressive come Friday night, it won't go any distance at all I'm sure, unless Bika springs a big surprise.
Ok thanks for the clarification :coolclick:
Ok, I'll be watching Calzaghe to truly get an opinion of him.
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
cc wacko for ur continued love for our very own jc
shouldnt be much of a test but its on, so lets get hope the real jc turns up.
he can jab with his right all night and win a ud or he can turn it on in a lacy fight style and thrill the boxing world cos lets be honest how many champs wanting to fight calzaghe prob had 2nd thoughts after seeing the lacy exhibition ???
i would of prob had doubts if i were a boxer!
but anyways, easy tko for joe, bikas not ready to swim with joe and he's taken his arm bands off a bit to early
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Yeah, what I meant was that they're coming in to survive and spoil. Man, I tell ya, Mitchell v Calzaghe were two of the best rounds of boxing I've seen. They were both all-action and went in there to knock seven shades of s**t out of each other.
Salem did knock Joe down, but it was one high point in a dreary fight from him. But as he's hsown time and again, getting knocked down isn't too much of a problem for Joe, and his attacking style will leave him a little open. That's why people though Lacy would win, but he wasn't quick enough to catch him open. I'm sure Joe'll look impressive come Friday night, it won't go any distance at all I'm sure, unless Bika springs a big surprise.
Ok thanks for the clarification :coolclick:
Ok, I'll be watching Calzaghe to truly get an opinion of him.
CC back dude...I just hope he puts on a good show because if he's going stateside to make his mark, he needs to come with a reputation, and a win on HBO would probably make a really good mark for him. Are you getting the Enzo Macc fight too? I reckon that should be a right humdinger if you get it!
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
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Yeah, what I meant was that they're coming in to survive and spoil. Man, I tell ya, Mitchell v Calzaghe were two of the best rounds of boxing I've seen. They were both all-action and went in there to knock seven shades of s**t out of each other.
Salem did knock Joe down, but it was one high point in a dreary fight from him. But as he's hsown time and again, getting knocked down isn't too much of a problem for Joe, and his attacking style will leave him a little open. That's why people though Lacy would win, but he wasn't quick enough to catch him open. I'm sure Joe'll look impressive come Friday night, it won't go any distance at all I'm sure, unless Bika springs a big surprise.
Ok thanks for the clarification :coolclick:
Ok, I'll be watching Calzaghe to truly get an opinion of him.
CC back dude...I just hope he puts on a good show because if he's going stateside to make his mark, he needs to come with a reputation, and a win on HBO would probably make a really good mark for him. Are you getting the Enzo Macc fight too? I reckon that should be a right humdinger if you get it!
Dont know. But I have liked Calzaghe since I read an artivle about him and his father in a sports magazine about their training and they were cussing each other out like mad. And Calzaghe said at the end of it "He's my dad, and I'm a homeboy" I liked him. But now I can get a true look at him with someone different in front of him. So I'll be watching this fight for critique
Re: Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Calzaghe vs Bika
Was a fantastic documentay on Joe tonight on ITV3!
Frank Warren rated Joe as the best quality fighter he's worked with!
Was a great moment when Benn was being interviewed and Eubank walked in. They both embraced and looked like true friends!
The documentary, however, should have been called, 'Who the hell is Joe Calzaghe'?! 75% was about why nobody knew of Joe!
Tc
