Joe Fraizer vs Evander Holyfield who takes it ??

I gotta go with 'SMOKIN' Joe...

They were both tough mo' fo's and never gave up but my instincts says.... Joe

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Tyson was nowhere near as good as Joe Frazier!

Joe Frazier beats Evander by decision

Evander would have ALWAYS beaten Mike Tyson

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The Tyson who fought Evander would have knocked out Frazier, and the Tyson in his prime had way better defense, power, and speed than Frazier... it would have been no contest(Think Foreman-Frazier 1 minus Tyson getting hit hardly at all, and hitting Frazier way more.)

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i disagree fraizer was excellent fighter had good chin and way more heart than tyson i think fraizer could outgut tyson i see it going this way tyson wins early rounds drops fraizer early but fraizer weathers tysons storm and starts to discourage tyson by fighting back and he stops tyson late

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No way determination wouldn't go anywhere against a guy like Tyson for Frazier... Frazier wouldn't weather the first right uppercut.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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I think this shows that a fighter who is far inferior to Holyfield could land on Joe Frazier. I think Holyfield hits harder than people give him credit for, and he can take massive beating by far larger men than Joe Frazier. I think a more interesting fight would be Quawi vs. Frazier.

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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i always mention that mate that holyfield was more past his prime than tyson

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Originally Posted by nuclear bull

i like the way people say tyson wasn't at his best when he fought holyfield, but they don't mention the fact holyfield wasn't in his prime either infact holyfield was more past it then tyson

holyfield was 34 tyson was 30
holyfield had had shoulder and heart probs plus all the wars he'd been in

so a shot holyfield beat a shot tyson not a prime evander vs shot tyson



i think evander may have outpointed smokin joe but its to tough to call on one fight they'd need 3 or 4 to show whos best

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They also forget that just one year earlier, he was sparked out by Riddick Bowe.

There were people fearing for Holyfield's life before the fight, yet when he whips Mike, Mike is shot!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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Got to agree with you wholeheartedly.

The thing is, Holyfield was a good boxer & if he elected to box, he may have won, but he just loved tear-up & that would have played right into Frazier's hands.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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I totally disagree with Frazier being a harder puncher, and my reason is because back in the day they use to fight with 8oz. gloves, and thats way easier to knock somebody out with than the gloves nowadays. Also Chin Holyfield fought as a whole alot harder punchers, and took Foreman's punches way better. As for workrate watch Holyfield fight Quawi... With somebody that had so many holes in his defense Holyfield definitely had the stamina to out throw Frazier.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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I totally disagree with Frazier being a harder puncher, and my reason is because back in the day they use to fight with 8oz. gloves, and thats way easier to knock somebody out with than the gloves nowadays. Also Chin Holyfield fought as a whole alot harder punchers, and took Foreman's punches way better. As for workrate watch Holyfield fight Quawi... With somebody that had so many holes in his defense Holyfield definitely had the stamina to out throw Frazier.

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yea but mate that was when he was cruiserweight he had hell of alot of stamina as cruiserweight ill give u that in that fight with dwight they both threw over 100 punches a round as hw his workrate wasnt as good and i feel fraizer could outwork him on the inside

One thing is that he is taller than Frazier, and I think his uppercuts would be devastating on the inside, against much larger men Holyfield couldn't throw as many punches because he had to be smarter about then to come in, but he definitely threw alot of punches against Foreman.

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Syntax Error

Frazier wins this one because of Holyfield's tendency to brawl.

Holyfield had a titanium chin & a huge heart, so I can't see a KO either way.

Smokin Joe on points for me.

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agreed people forget how good fraizers workrate was he was like living windmill he threw alot of punches and fraizers bob and weaver style could give holyfield trouble plus fraizer hits harder but this is how i see it

POWER= FRAIZER
SPEED= HOLYFIELD
HEART= ABOUT EQUAL
CHIN= UMM TOUGH ONE MAYBE THE EDGE TO HOLYFIELD
WORKRATE= FRAIZER

it would be one hell of a slugfest and it would be close one i think fraizer on points

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I totally disagree with Frazier being a harder puncher, and my reason is because back in the day they use to fight with 8oz. gloves, and thats way easier to knock somebody out with than the gloves nowadays. Also Chin Holyfield fought as a whole alot harder punchers, and took Foreman's punches way better. As for workrate watch Holyfield fight Quawi... With somebody that had so many holes in his defense Holyfield definitely had the stamina to out throw Frazier.

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yea but mate that was when he was cruiserweight he had hell of alot of stamina as cruiserweight ill give u that in that fight with dwight they both threw over 100 punches a round as hw his workrate wasnt as good and i feel fraizer could outwork him on the inside

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I dont know Ice..Holy was probably one of the best conditioned Heavies ever...

Of the last 15 years conditioning has taken a step back . As a proffesor of Physiology said to me just recently theres been an advancement in theory, but a regression in practice. They dont know how to apply it yet, but theyll learn eventually.

Evander would ko him out in 8 or 9th.