Hatton v Cotto@147-what do you think?

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Originally Posted by Steelie

Funny thread ;D

God help us if Cotto ever beats anyone decent... ::**

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Whilst I respect you as a mod,that is a dumbass statement:like I said earlier,he has beaten past champ,future champs,Olympians,guys who beat him in the amateurs,etc etc and now beat a world ranked WW who alot of peeps were picking to win.

I think it should be more help us if Hatton beats someone who is not over the hill(Tszyu,Tackie,Phillips) OR Hatton should man up,grow some balls and give Collazo a rematch like he said he would rather than run back to 140. ::**

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Well,if Hatton's cam p and Hatton himself were so sure that he would grow into the weight and that the Collazo fight was an off night,I'm sure they would have stayed at 147 ESPECIALLY as there SO many big fights at 147 but they CHOSE to go back to 140,so I think that's the answer right there as to whether Hatton believes he can survive at 147.

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Originally Posted by ricky_hitman

I doubt Hatton could beat Cotto at 147, it's obvious hatton doesnt belong there. Hattons best bet is to go after the likes of Castillo and Corrales. Lets not get too carried away by Cotto though i think he blows hot and cold. Someone on a another thread suggested Margarito fans will now jump ship to camp Cotto. i really hope not because Cotto will hand it to Margarito if they ever meet, and they we can all say i told you so to those Margarito bummers!!

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When does Cotto blow hot and cold? And being a big big fan of Margarito and Cotto,I can tell you now that Cotto would not HAND it to Margarito,it would be close. You did not see the best of Antonio Margarito last night and you asw the best of Cotto but do not judge how a fight between them would go after 1 night. Cotto is still open,Margarito has more power(he injured himself before last night's fight hence arm punches) and Margarito has astounding stamina.Cotto would have the body to aim at all night so it would be a close,great fight between the 2 best WW on the planet. Hopefully,together,they will KTFO EVERYONE else in the division!

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I can support what you say El gamo but at the end of the day hatton didnt lose at 147 did he? he was unprepared and risks is what you have to take in boxing so you can be the best you possibley can. Carl froch look at him big risk taker every fight and its paying off! All of you people have just lost faith in ricky :(

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Dude,I think you're lost,Hatton lost faith in himself when he had a close fight(which I personally thought he won by 1) BUT rather than give Collazo a rematch,prepare himself and show the all the doubters that they were wrong,he said he would give him a rematch,took the mans title and ranking and ran back to 140, thus PROVING that there was a lack of belief either on Hatton's part or his teams that he could survive at 147.

That scenario tells me he knows he could not take the heat at 147,and you say he was unprepared,may I remind you Collazo,as good as he is(still questionable how good he actually is) is one of the lighter hitteras at 147 and Hatton out on his feet,and Collazo was fighting guys with 1-1 records like a few fights before he fought Hatton!

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Originally Posted by Hous

Hatton is a better boxer p4p and would beat Cotto at 140 even before Cotto moved up. But at 147 IDK, I still think Hatton could pull it off and we do know more about Hatton than Cotto. Cotto has a weak jaw, Hatton has one of the best chances of exposing it because he can take a beating, fast, not afraid. He would keep coming, it would be a good fight.

Hatton is by no means similar to Quintana. Cotto is by no means similar to Callazo.

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How can Cotto have a weak jaw? He took the shots of a guy with 26 kos in 27 fights,and was not even knocked down,was puched down,and against Corley,he was out on his feet but Corley also shook PBF,and Cotto said he believes the weight affected his punch resistance. He took Quintana's shots well....

At 140,it would be close,at 147,Cotto would win easily imo which is why I don't see Hatton coming back to 147 to fight Cotto.

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

Hatton likes to bully and push around fighters and can do so at 140.but at 147,where he cannot,and where Cotto looks bigger,he's just not effective,in fact,against Collazo,no way did he look P4P.

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Originally Posted by Hous

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

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??? ??? ??? ??? When? Which round?

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hatton likes to bully and push around fighters and can do so at 140.but at 147,where he cannot,and where Cotto looks bigger,he's just not effective,in fact,against Collazo,no way did he look P4P.

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Originally Posted by Hous

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

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??? ??? ??? ??? When? Which round?

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Dont be a dumbass everyone saw it, the announcers saw it, he almost went down. He was running from a featherfisted Malignaggi.

Callazo had every advantage on Hatton, tall, southpaw, bigger, prepared.

Hatton took the fight on 6 weeks notice to put on 7lbs. Thats not enough time to adapt.

Cotto Quintana was a mismatch from the start, it was only hyped because they were both undefeated but come on NOONE expected Quintana to last. "If Cotto cant cut off the ring...." Please.

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Originally Posted by Hous

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hatton likes to bully and push around fighters and can do so at 140.but at 147,where he cannot,and where Cotto looks bigger,he's just not effective,in fact,against Collazo,no way did he look P4P.

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Originally Posted by Hous

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

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??? ??? ??? ??? When? Which round?

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Dont be a dumbass everyone saw it, the announcers saw it, he almost went down. He was running from a featherfisted Malignaggi.

Callazo had every advantage on Hatton, tall, southpaw, bigger, prepared.

Hatton took the fight on 6 weeks notice to put on 7lbs. Thats not enough time to adapt.

Cotto Quintana was a mismatch from the start, it was only hyped because they were both undefeated but come on NOONE expected Quintana to last. "If Cotto cant cut off the ring...." Please.

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That is the biggest dumbass stament I have ever read,Cotto running from Paulie??

Collazo having ever advantege? So,the way Hatton was hyped after the Tszyu fight,you'd think he would have won much easier against a ligh hitting,pitter patter puncher at 147. And like I said,if Hatton was inadequately prepared,why did he not prepare more,give him a rematch and PROVE that he could bet him more comfotably? Easy,because he knew he could not......

And to say Cotto QuINTANA was a mismatch,is the biggest pile of shat I have read here in a while...lost of peeps were picking Quintana to win,fans and experts alike. Quintana knocked out a guy who koed Collazo,Cassiani I think. Quintana had more power,more skill and just as slick as Collazo...

No Hatton fan on this forum has answered,if Hatton was at such a disadvantage and if he really is such a warrior and a great fighter,why did he not rematch Collazo? Why did he run back to 140 so quickly??

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Steelie

Funny thread ;D

God help us if Cotto ever beats anyone decent... ::**

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Whilst I respect you as a mod,that is a dumbass statement:like I said earlier,he has beaten past champ,future champs,Olympians,guys who beat him in the amateurs,etc etc and now beat a world ranked WW who alot of peeps were picking to win.

I think it should be more help us if Hatton beats someone who is not over the hill(Tszyu,Tackie,Phillips) OR Hatton should man up,grow some balls and give Collazo a rematch like he said he would rather than run back to 140. ::**

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Originally Posted by Tam Seddon

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Well,if Hatton's cam p and Hatton himself were so sure that he would grow into the weight and that the Collazo fight was an off night,I'm sure they would have stayed at 147 ESPECIALLY as there SO many big fights at 147 but they CHOSE to go back to 140,so I think that's the answer right there as to whether Hatton believes he can survive at 147.

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Originally Posted by ricky_hitman

I doubt Hatton could beat Cotto at 147, it's obvious hatton doesnt belong there. Hattons best bet is to go after the likes of Castillo and Corrales. Lets not get too carried away by Cotto though i think he blows hot and cold. Someone on a another thread suggested Margarito fans will now jump ship to camp Cotto. i really hope not because Cotto will hand it to Margarito if they ever meet, and they we can all say i told you so to those Margarito bummers!!

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When does Cotto blow hot and cold? And being a big big fan of Margarito and Cotto,I can tell you now that Cotto would not HAND it to Margarito,it would be close. You did not see the best of Antonio Margarito last night and you asw the best of Cotto but do not judge how a fight between them would go after 1 night. Cotto is still open,Margarito has more power(he injured himself before last night's fight hence arm punches) and Margarito has astounding stamina.Cotto would have the body to aim at all night so it would be a close,great fight between the 2 best WW on the planet. Hopefully,together,they will KTFO EVERYONE else in the division!

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I can support what you say El gamo but at the end of the day hatton didnt lose at 147 did he? he was unprepared and risks is what you have to take in boxing so you can be the best you possibley can. Carl froch look at him big risk taker every fight and its paying off! All of you people have just lost faith in ricky :(

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Dude,I think you're lost,Hatton lost faith in himself when he had a close fight(which I personally thought he won by 1) BUT rather than give Collazo a rematch,prepare himself and show the all the doubters that they were wrong,he said he would give him a rematch,took the mans title and ranking and ran back to 140, thus PROVING that there was a lack of belief either on Hatton's part or his teams that he could survive at 147.

That scenario tells me he knows he could not take the heat at 147,and you say he was unprepared,may I remind you Collazo,as good as he is(still questionable how good he actually is) is one of the lighter hitteras at 147 and Hatton out on his feet,and Collazo was fighting guys with 1-1 records like a few fights before he fought Hatton!

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Originally Posted by Hous

Hatton is a better boxer p4p and would beat Cotto at 140 even before Cotto moved up. But at 147 IDK, I still think Hatton could pull it off and we do know more about Hatton than Cotto. Cotto has a weak jaw, Hatton has one of the best chances of exposing it because he can take a beating, fast, not afraid. He would keep coming, it would be a good fight.

Hatton is by no means similar to Quintana. Cotto is by no means similar to Callazo.

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How can Cotto have a weak jaw? He took the shots of a guy with 26 kos in 27 fights,and was not even knocked down,was puched down,and against Corley,he was out on his feet but Corley also shook PBF,and Cotto said he believes the weight affected his punch resistance. He took Quintana's shots well....

At 140,it would be close,at 147,Cotto would win easily imo which is why I don't see Hatton coming back to 147 to fight Cotto.

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So to sum up in a nutshell your saying luiz is shite? i dont think he is! at the end of the day he was a world champ and you can say that about lots of people building their records on bums! you cant face amazing people every fight! you have to build it up to the bigger fights and in luiz's case the fight built up to hatton. Hatton imo thinks he cant do much at 147 because he didnt rate luiz...nobody did but only the future can tell what is going to happen with him. If hatton stayed at 147 he could imo be safe and build to wanting the tougher fighters ie cotto! When you look at cotto his record isnt exactly OUTSTANDING! his oppanants are up comers ie torres and mallianagi. but if hatton had time to devlop into 147 he could do well imo

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Hous

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hatton likes to bully and push around fighters and can do so at 140.but at 147,where he cannot,and where Cotto looks bigger,he's just not effective,in fact,against Collazo,no way did he look P4P.

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Originally Posted by Hous

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

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??? ??? ??? ??? When? Which round?

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Dont be a dumbass everyone saw it, the announcers saw it, he almost went down. He was running from a featherfisted Malignaggi.

Callazo had every advantage on Hatton, tall, southpaw, bigger, prepared.

Hatton took the fight on 6 weeks notice to put on 7lbs. Thats not enough time to adapt.

Cotto Quintana was a mismatch from the start, it was only hyped because they were both undefeated but come on NOONE expected Quintana to last. "If Cotto cant cut off the ring...." Please.

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That is the biggest dumbass stament I have ever read,Cotto running from Paulie??

Collazo having ever advantege? So,the way Hatton was hyped after the Tszyu fight,you'd think he would have won much easier against a ligh hitting,pitter patter puncher at 147. And like I said,if Hatton was inadequately prepared,why did he not prepare more,give him a rematch and PROVE that he could bet him more comfotably? Easy,because he knew he could not......

And to say Cotto QuINTANA was a mismatch,is the biggest pile of shat I have read here in a while...lost of peeps were picking Quintana to win,fans and experts alike. Quintana knocked out a guy who koed Collazo,Cassiani I think. Quintana had more power,more skill and just as slick as Collazo...

No Hatton fan on this forum has answered,if Hatton was at such a disadvantage and if he really is such a warrior and a great fighter,why did he not rematch Collazo? Why did he run back to 140 so quickly??

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ill tell you why! the money! hatton-collazo at 147 doesnt draw to many people in. thats why i dont understand he is going back to 140! he needs to go searching for cotto!

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Hous

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

Hatton likes to bully and push around fighters and can do so at 140.but at 147,where he cannot,and where Cotto looks bigger,he's just not effective,in fact,against Collazo,no way did he look P4P.

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Originally Posted by Hous

He was also stumbling around the ring against a man with 5 KOs :laugh:

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??? ??? ??? ??? When? Which round?

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Dont be a dumbass everyone saw it, the announcers saw it, he almost went down. He was running from a featherfisted Malignaggi.

Callazo had every advantage on Hatton, tall, southpaw, bigger, prepared.

Hatton took the fight on 6 weeks notice to put on 7lbs. Thats not enough time to adapt.

Cotto Quintana was a mismatch from the start, it was only hyped because they were both undefeated but come on NOONE expected Quintana to last. "If Cotto cant cut off the ring...." Please.

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That is the biggest dumbass stament I have ever read,Cotto running from Paulie??

Collazo having ever advantege? So,the way Hatton was hyped after the Tszyu fight,you'd think he would have won much easier against a ligh hitting,pitter patter puncher at 147. And like I said,if Hatton was inadequately prepared,why did he not prepare more,give him a rematch and PROVE that he could bet him more comfotably? Easy,because he knew he could not......

And to say Cotto QuINTANA was a mismatch,is the biggest pile of shat I have read here in a while...lost of peeps were picking Quintana to win,fans and experts alike. Quintana knocked out a guy who koed Collazo,Cassiani I think. Quintana had more power,more skill and just as slick as Collazo...

No Hatton fan on this forum has answered,if Hatton was at such a disadvantage and if he really is such a warrior and a great fighter,why did he not rematch Collazo? Why did he run back to 140 so quickly??

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Well when you put a boxer in the ring with a brawler its normally the boxer that is useing hit and run tactics, if you got your head out of your ass and watched the fight you would see that Paulie was pushing the action AND COTTO WAS BACKING AWAY! Honestly its not a bash or anything it worked for him look he won! But he was running from Paulie. I dont think Paulie took a single step back the entire fight.

You dont know boxing if you dont understand stlyes I shouldnt have to tell you thins. Hatton is short for fighting at junior welter and he was tiny at Welter. Hattons style is to be relentless and just putconstant pressure on his opponets. Hatton DOES NOT DO WELL AGAINST SOUTHPAWS, OR TALL FIGHERS! Yet he still beat Callazo by a round and a KD. You cant compare Cottos and Hattons last preformances because they were against two opposite type fighters and are irrelevant.

Here dumbass, I actually appreciate styles when judging a fight. This is what I said with Hatton before the Callazo fight. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...55#post1460255

I said the same thing I said now.

Im no Hatton fan but Ill tell you why he wont rematch Callazo, because hes the bigger name and he won (duh, noone gives a shit about Callazo even if he is a gifted boxer that could potentially beat Hatton an atleast give him his toughest fight, more so that Cotto due to styles), he had a small frame at Welterweight which almost costed him a fight, hes a stylistic nightmere to the Hitman, and not much money.

Come on bro thats common sense what did you expect me to say?

Cotto would destroy Hatton at 147 (unless it was in Manchester). Look, Hatton is great at 140, although I think Castillo will take him out. This fact remains though, Cotto is naturally bigger he is more comfortable at 147, I don't think Hatton can carry the extra weight well, although I doubt he will come back up ever so we will never know. The only reason for Hatton to move back up should be to give Collazo a rematch.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Cotto would destroy Hatton at 147 (unless it was in Manchester).

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;D Unbelievalble.

You have a point if your saying Cotto would just edge Hatton out. We have our fair share of dodgy decisions and officiating like anyone else. But I have yet to see a fighter propped up by referee, cornermen etc etc in order to avoid 'being destroyed'

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Cotto would destroy Hatton at 147 (unless it was in Manchester). Look, Hatton is great at 140, although I think Castillo will take him out. This fact remains though, Cotto is naturally bigger he is more comfortable at 147, I don't think Hatton can carry the extra weight well, although I doubt he will come back up ever so we will never know. The only reason for Hatton to move back up should be to give Collazo a rematch.

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Hatton will have to move back up eventually. The way that guy balloons in weight between fights will eventually make it hard for him to make 140. There's no way you can keep going from 180 to 140 without it having an adverse effect on your body. Hatton will never move back up, the day he can't make 140 will be probably be the day he retires. But if he did fight Cotto, good lord, that would be a brutal body punchfest. I'd come out from watching that fight pissing out blood.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Based on there last fights. Cotto has Hatton in a hospital by the 3rd round

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LMAO,Hatton is a tough tough guy,surely you think he would last longer? He was able to take Tszyu's shots? (WTF am I semi defending Ricky?! ??? ;D) Hatton also maintains a relentless pace and has good bodyshots,my ONLY worry would be whether the pace would be too much for Cotto? That's the only Q I have left for my boy.

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Your asking about 147 not 140. Cotto can keep the pace cuz he won't be drained from making weight like he was at 140. And there's a reason Hatton put his tail between his legs and ran like a bitch back to 140. He can't handle the big boys at 147. Did you see the fights last night? Cotto looked like a F****** middleweight. He'll destroy Hatton at 147.

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i agree. Cotto is a beast at 147. I would like to see him fight Margarito over Hatton because i dont think the Hit Man could stand up to MC at this weight. He would become the "Get-Hit Man" and would probably get KOed in the later rounds, Im thinkin around 9 or 10.

Cotto gets hit a lot when he's not trying to box, most of his trouble at 140 was due to #1 being weight drained and having to fight in spurts and #2 he didn't respect ANYONES power at 140 except for Muhamed Abdullaev whom he boxed more.

Ricky Hatton gets nailed pretty often as well he also gets cut. He hasn't really had trouble with anyone at 140 due to his style, he wrestles and goes to the body

When you check their resumes Cotto and Hatton have some over the hill guys on their records but only Cotto has the rising young guns on his record. Hatton has Tszyu and I think that evens everything out. Sure it's a toss up fight but I tend to side with Cotto. Miguel is younger, bigger, and I think his body attack has a little more power behind it. Also if Cotto has the ability to switch his stance then Ricky would be in even more trouble.

I like Hatton, I would LOVE this fight to happen but I think Cotto would win.

Hatton is still very good though, I make no judgements on his going down to 140...you fight where you are comfortable. I think Collazo was a HORRIBLE choice of opponents to start with though

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Cotto gets hit a lot when he's not trying to box, most of his trouble at 140 was due to #1 being weight drained and having to fight in spurts and #2 he didn't respect ANYONES power at 140 except for Muhamed Abdullaev whom he boxed more.

Ricky Hatton gets nailed pretty often as well he also gets cut. He hasn't really had trouble with anyone at 140 due to his style, he wrestles and goes to the body

When you check their resumes Cotto and Hatton have some over the hill guys on their records but only Cotto has the rising young guns on his record. Hatton has Tszyu and I think that evens everything out. Sure it's a toss up fight but I tend to side with Cotto. Miguel is younger, bigger, and I think his body attack has a little more power behind it. Also if Cotto has the ability to switch his stance then Ricky would be in even more trouble.

I like Hatton, I would LOVE this fight to happen but I think Cotto would win.

Hatton is still very good though, I make no judgements on his going down to 140...you fight where you are comfortable. I think Collazo was a HORRIBLE choice of opponents to start with though

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Have a :coolclick: Lyle, a very fair and carefully measured analysis

Yep, that just about sums my opinion up too.

Good posting ;)

However, if the fight was at 140, its a whole different argument ::**