Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Malignaggi would probably have boxed in that situation instead of trying to impress the fans which is what got Litzau beat.
Litzau does the things that Mayweather haters say most boxers should do stand and fight and he just lost a fight he could have had in the bag. Doesn't matter the respect he got, he still got an 1 on his record now. I hope he learns what fighting for the fans get you. Thats probably why people get mad at Mayweather because he DOESN'T do that and removes all doubt to give an opponent a chance to land that ONE shot.
You ca't really say what Paulie would have done because the whole world thought he would have boxed Cotto too but he didn't. Also,that's silly to say Mayweather haters,may be it's just fans who want to see more action for their hard earned money. If you pay $50 to see fights, and the guy is earning $8million for the fight, you expect to see something first and second,he has no one to blame but himself for his critics,if you're going to compare yourself to SRR,SRL etc etc then of course there are going to be higher expectations from you.
Secondly, his antics after the fight hardly endear him to the fans with his silly crying and mood swings at Merchant. I mean 1 minute I see HBO team kiss PBF's ass then the next minute,everyone's dissing on Merchant when he's doing his job and asking the right questions.
Finally,what was most dissappointing about his performance was that ok,he landed a nice shot here and there but it was not a virtuoso performance.And you talk about not giving the opponent a chance but watch the Jesus Chavez fight,the Corley fight etc etc. He stood his ground in those fights. Just because I was not impressed by the performance does not make me a hatre,because I have justified my opinion.
Sorry that was a bit off topic,I'm about to watch the Litzau fight now!
Couldn't you say the Chavez fight Mayweather did that because that was part of the plan to beat Chavez. And the Corley fight he stood there with Corley because that was his easiest way to get to Corley? In the Corley fight he did a little of both when he had to.
But people always bring up the Baldomir fight. And you bring up both the Chavez and Corley fight. Corley wasn't overwhelmingly big compared to Mayweather and Mayweather could impose his will on him when he had to. Baldomir on the other hand is naturally huge and Mayweather isn't a natural 147 pounder. So his plan was to make the fight as easy for himself as possible. Is he so wrong for making the fight easy for himself using the best strategy to beat someone like Baldomir? I don't think Corley or Chavez had the heart chin determination or natural size Baldomir had so Mayweather did what he had to do to win.
Could you agree with that?
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Malignaggi would probably have boxed in that situation instead of trying to impress the fans which is what got Litzau beat.
Litzau does the things that Mayweather haters say most boxers should do stand and fight and he just lost a fight he could have had in the bag. Doesn't matter the respect he got, he still got an 1 on his record now. I hope he learns what fighting for the fans get you. Thats probably why people get mad at Mayweather because he DOESN'T do that and removes all doubt to give an opponent a chance to land that ONE shot.
You ca't really say what Paulie would have done because the whole world thought he would have boxed Cotto too but he didn't. Also,that's silly to say Mayweather haters,may be it's just fans who want to see more action for their hard earned money. If you pay $50 to see fights, and the guy is earning $8million for the fight, you expect to see something first and second,he has no one to blame but himself for his critics,if you're going to compare yourself to SRR,SRL etc etc then of course there are going to be higher expectations from you.
Secondly, his antics after the fight hardly endear him to the fans with his silly crying and mood swings at Merchant. I mean 1 minute I see HBO team kiss PBF's ass then the next minute,everyone's dissing on Merchant when he's doing his job and asking the right questions.
Finally,what was most dissappointing about his performance was that ok,he landed a nice shot here and there but it was not a virtuoso performance.And you talk about not giving the opponent a chance but watch the Jesus Chavez fight,the Corley fight etc etc. He stood his ground in those fights. Just because I was not impressed by the performance does not make me a hatre,because I have justified my opinion.
Sorry that was a bit off topic,I'm about to watch the Litzau fight now!
Couldn't you say the Chavez fight Mayweather did that because that was part of the plan to beat Chavez. And the Corley fight he stood there with Corley because that was his easiest way to get to Corley? In the Corley fight he did a little of both when he had to.
But people always bring up the Baldomir fight. And you bring up both the Chavez and Corley fight. Corley wasn't overwhelmingly big compared to Mayweather and Mayweather could impose his will on him when he had to. Baldomir on the other hand is naturally huge and Mayweather isn't a natural 147 pounder. So his plan was to make the fight as easy for himself as possible. Is he so wrong for making the fight easy for himself using the best strategy to beat someone like Baldomir? I don't think Corley or Chavez had the heart chin determination or natural size Baldomir had so Mayweather did what he had to do to win.
Could you agree with that?
Yes I can.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Malignaggi would probably have boxed in that situation instead of trying to impress the fans which is what got Litzau beat.
Litzau does the things that Mayweather haters say most boxers should do stand and fight and he just lost a fight he could have had in the bag. Doesn't matter the respect he got, he still got an 1 on his record now. I hope he learns what fighting for the fans get you. Thats probably why people get mad at Mayweather because he DOESN'T do that and removes all doubt to give an opponent a chance to land that ONE shot.
You ca't really say what Paulie would have done because the whole world thought he would have boxed Cotto too but he didn't. Also,that's silly to say Mayweather haters,may be it's just fans who want to see more action for their hard earned money. If you pay $50 to see fights, and the guy is earning $8million for the fight, you expect to see something first and second,he has no one to blame but himself for his critics,if you're going to compare yourself to SRR,SRL etc etc then of course there are going to be higher expectations from you.
Secondly, his antics after the fight hardly endear him to the fans with his silly crying and mood swings at Merchant. I mean 1 minute I see HBO team kiss PBF's ass then the next minute,everyone's dissing on Merchant when he's doing his job and asking the right questions.
Finally,what was most dissappointing about his performance was that ok,he landed a nice shot here and there but it was not a virtuoso performance.And you talk about not giving the opponent a chance but watch the Jesus Chavez fight,the Corley fight etc etc. He stood his ground in those fights. Just because I was not impressed by the performance does not make me a hatre,because I have justified my opinion.
Sorry that was a bit off topic,I'm about to watch the Litzau fight now!
Couldn't you say the Chavez fight Mayweather did that because that was part of the plan to beat Chavez. And the Corley fight he stood there with Corley because that was his easiest way to get to Corley? In the Corley fight he did a little of both when he had to.
But people always bring up the Baldomir fight. And you bring up both the Chavez and Corley fight. Corley wasn't overwhelmingly big compared to Mayweather and Mayweather could impose his will on him when he had to. Baldomir on the other hand is naturally huge and Mayweather isn't a natural 147 pounder. So his plan was to make the fight as easy for himself as possible. Is he so wrong for making the fight easy for himself using the best strategy to beat someone like Baldomir? I don't think Corley or Chavez had the heart chin determination or natural size Baldomir had so Mayweather did what he had to do to win.
Could you agree with that?
Nice points but my point was that banging with Jesus a danger too right? Also,Corley shook him twice,yet PBF still decided to fight with him. Hell,at times,he stood toe to toe with Corrales and all the mentioned situations were dangerous for PBF. Also,like I said, he had won 11 rounds in a row,it would not have hurt to land a flurry here and there,Baldo was so slow and also,the camera went into his corner at round 11 and the round before and there was NO mention of an injury so I felt he used that as an excuse after the fight,acknowledging it was not as good a performance as it should have been against someone so limited. He was SO much faster than Baldo, that for him not to put his foot on the gas abit more is shocking! How would he have fought against a bigger more dangerous WW like Williams or Margarito?!
And I TOTALLY disagree that Jesus did not hae the heart,he showed alot of heart in the PBF fight,he showed heart to fight with broken hand in the Morales fight and if he comes back in Januray,he'll show heart again after the Levander tragedy.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Malignaggi would probably have boxed in that situation instead of trying to impress the fans which is what got Litzau beat.
Litzau does the things that Mayweather haters say most boxers should do stand and fight and he just lost a fight he could have had in the bag. Doesn't matter the respect he got, he still got an 1 on his record now. I hope he learns what fighting for the fans get you. Thats probably why people get mad at Mayweather because he DOESN'T do that and removes all doubt to give an opponent a chance to land that ONE shot.
You ca't really say what Paulie would have done because the whole world thought he would have boxed Cotto too but he didn't. Also,that's silly to say Mayweather haters,may be it's just fans who want to see more action for their hard earned money. If you pay $50 to see fights, and the guy is earning $8million for the fight, you expect to see something first and second,he has no one to blame but himself for his critics,if you're going to compare yourself to SRR,SRL etc etc then of course there are going to be higher expectations from you.
Secondly, his antics after the fight hardly endear him to the fans with his silly crying and mood swings at Merchant. I mean 1 minute I see HBO team kiss PBF's ass then the next minute,everyone's dissing on Merchant when he's doing his job and asking the right questions.
Finally,what was most dissappointing about his performance was that ok,he landed a nice shot here and there but it was not a virtuoso performance.And you talk about not giving the opponent a chance but watch the Jesus Chavez fight,the Corley fight etc etc. He stood his ground in those fights. Just because I was not impressed by the performance does not make me a hatre,because I have justified my opinion.
Sorry that was a bit off topic,I'm about to watch the Litzau fight now!
Couldn't you say the Chavez fight Mayweather did that because that was part of the plan to beat Chavez. And the Corley fight he stood there with Corley because that was his easiest way to get to Corley? In the Corley fight he did a little of both when he had to.
But people always bring up the Baldomir fight. And you bring up both the Chavez and Corley fight. Corley wasn't overwhelmingly big compared to Mayweather and Mayweather could impose his will on him when he had to. Baldomir on the other hand is naturally huge and Mayweather isn't a natural 147 pounder. So his plan was to make the fight as easy for himself as possible. Is he so wrong for making the fight easy for himself using the best strategy to beat someone like Baldomir? I don't think Corley or Chavez had the heart chin determination or natural size Baldomir had so Mayweather did what he had to do to win.
Could you agree with that?
Nice points but my point was that banging with Jesus a danger too right? Also,Corley shook him twice,yet PBF still decided to fight with him. Hell,at times,he stood toe to toe with Corrales and all the mentioned situations were dangerous for PBF. Also,like I said, he had won 11 rounds in a row,it would not have hurt to land a flurry here and there,Baldo was so slow and also,the camera went into his corner at round 11 and the round before and there was NO mention of an injury so I felt he used that as an excuse after the fight,acknowledging it was not as good a performance as it should have been against someone so limited. He was SO much faster than Baldo, that for him not to put his foot on the gas abit more is shocking! How would he have fought against a bigger more dangerous WW like Williams or Margarito?!
And I TOTALLY disagree that Jesus did not hae the heart,he showed alot of heart in the PBF fight,he showed heart to fight with broken hand in the Morales fight and if he comes back in Januray,he'll show heart again after the Levander tragedy.
I'm a big Margarito fan but in his last fight he didn't look more dangerous then Baldomir :'(
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm not a huge Miranda fan...but that was fun.
Here's the thing...if he wants to hanger a new fan...do what he did tonight to Gibbs...but do that shit to Jermain Taylor.
I want to see how Taylor handles adversity & power like that.
Taylor boxes on the backfoot like he did against Wright & Ouma...Miranda will knock him out.
Wacko-
Eventhough I was at the fight, thanks for doing the RBR for those who couldnt see it.
And does it seem like Miranda is starting to grow on you just a little?!?!? ;)
He really is a great guy and good for boxing, brings excitment.
I talked with Jim Lampley after the fight. In his opinion 'Abraham beats Taylor and Winky, and Miranda beat Abraham'.
Just an opinion, but I found it interesting that he thinks Abraham and Miranda are better than Winky and Taylor.
I think he was just trying to make you feel good. Cuz it's not something he would say in public. I'll take Miranda over Abraham (who I think lost the fight) and Taylor. But I think he'll have the same problem Trinidad had against Wright
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm not a huge Miranda fan...but that was fun.
Here's the thing...if he wants to hanger a new fan...do what he did tonight to Gibbs...but do that shit to Jermain Taylor.
I want to see how Taylor handles adversity & power like that.
Taylor boxes on the backfoot like he did against Wright & Ouma...Miranda will knock him out.
Wacko-
Eventhough I was at the fight, thanks for doing the RBR for those who couldnt see it.
And does it seem like Miranda is starting to grow on you just a little?!?!? ;)
He really is a great guy and good for boxing, brings excitment.
I talked with Jim Lampley after the fight. In his opinion 'Abraham beats Taylor and Winky, and Miranda beat Abraham'.
Just an opinion, but I found it interesting that he thinks Abraham and Miranda are better than Winky and Taylor.
I think he was just trying to make you feel good. Cuz it's not something he would say in public. I'll take Miranda over Abraham (who I think lost the fight) and Taylor. But I think he'll have the same problem Trinidad had against Wright
That's the thing though, would Miranda be as gun shy as Tito? I'd like to think not. As much as I love Winky's defence,I still believe that if someone hits hard enough,you can break through it and Miranda seems to hit dam hard!!! I was SOOOOOOO dissappointed in Tito,I thought his power would blast through Winky's arms!
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
Its not impossible Winky and Miranda will fight. If Miranda has a big name fight in Florida and wins maybe there would be enough interest in a fight between him and Winky that promises of a respectable purse makes the fight happen in Tampa or Hollywood.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by global
Its not impossible Winky and Miranda will fight. If Miranda has a big name fight in Florida and wins maybe there would be enough interest in a fight between him and Winky that promises of a respectable purse makes the fight happen in Tampa or Hollywood.
What do you think the outcome will be bro?
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
Wright on points over Miranda
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm not a huge Miranda fan...but that was fun.
Here's the thing...if he wants to hanger a new fan...do what he did tonight to Gibbs...but do that S*** to Jermain Taylor.
I want to see how Taylor handles adversity & power like that.
Taylor boxes on the backfoot like he did against Wright & Ouma...Miranda will knock him out.
Wacko-
Eventhough I was at the fight, thanks for doing the RBR for those who couldnt see it.
And does it seem like Miranda is starting to grow on you just a little?!?!? ;)
He really is a great guy and good for boxing, brings excitment.
I talked with Jim Lampley after the fight. In his opinion 'Abraham beats Taylor and Winky, and Miranda beat Abraham'.
Just an opinion, but I found it interesting that he thinks Abraham and Miranda are better than Winky and Taylor.
I think he was just trying to make you feel good. Cuz it's not something he would say in public. I'll take Miranda over Abraham (who I think lost the fight) and Taylor. But I think he'll have the same problem Trinidad had against Wright
I don't think it would be the same as with Tito cause that was not the same hungry young Tito of old. Miranda is still trying to prove his point and fights aggressively all the time like Tito used to. Another difference is that Tito has always been very clumsy on his feet and Miranda, although I wouldn't say he has great balance, is a little more steady on his.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm not a huge Miranda fan...but that was fun.
Here's the thing...if he wants to hanger a new fan...do what he did tonight to Gibbs...but do that S*** to Jermain Taylor.
I want to see how Taylor handles adversity & power like that.
Taylor boxes on the backfoot like he did against Wright & Ouma...Miranda will knock him out.
Wacko-
Eventhough I was at the fight, thanks for doing the RBR for those who couldnt see it.
And does it seem like Miranda is starting to grow on you just a little?!?!? ;)
He really is a great guy and good for boxing, brings excitment.
I talked with Jim Lampley after the fight. In his opinion 'Abraham beats Taylor and Winky, and Miranda beat Abraham'.
Just an opinion, but I found it interesting that he thinks Abraham and Miranda are better than Winky and Taylor.
I think he was just trying to make you feel good. Cuz it's not something he would say in public. I'll take Miranda over Abraham (who I think lost the fight) and Taylor. But I think he'll have the same problem Trinidad had against Wright
I don't think it would be the same as with Tito cause that was not the same hungry young Tito of old. Miranda is still trying to prove his point and fights aggressively all the time like Tito used to. Another difference is that Tito has always been very clumsy on his feet and Miranda, although I wouldn't say he has great balance, is a little more steady on his.
So you think Miranda could win? Why didn't Tito just let his hands go against Winky?¬
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Originally Posted by Pantera
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
I'm not a huge Miranda fan...but that was fun.
Here's the thing...if he wants to hanger a new fan...do what he did tonight to Gibbs...but do that S*** to Jermain Taylor.
I want to see how Taylor handles adversity & power like that.
Taylor boxes on the backfoot like he did against Wright & Ouma...Miranda will knock him out.
Wacko-
Eventhough I was at the fight, thanks for doing the RBR for those who couldnt see it.
And does it seem like Miranda is starting to grow on you just a little?!?!? ;)
He really is a great guy and good for boxing, brings excitment.
I talked with Jim Lampley after the fight. In his opinion 'Abraham beats Taylor and Winky, and Miranda beat Abraham'.
Just an opinion, but I found it interesting that he thinks Abraham and Miranda are better than Winky and Taylor.
I think he was just trying to make you feel good. Cuz it's not something he would say in public. I'll take Miranda over Abraham (who I think lost the fight) and Taylor. But I think he'll have the same problem Trinidad had against Wright
I don't think it would be the same as with Tito cause that was not the same hungry young Tito of old. Miranda is still trying to prove his point and fights aggressively all the time like Tito used to. Another difference is that Tito has always been very clumsy on his feet and Miranda, although I wouldn't say he has great balance, is a little more steady on his.
So you think Miranda could win? Why didn't Tito just let his hands go against Winky?¬
I don't know about Miranda winning but I just don't see him getting completely shut out. I wish Tito would have let his hands go but 15 seconds in, I knew he was in trouble. Every time Tito stepped in to throw his shots, he stepped on Winkys foot and seemingly turned his ankle a bit and when he tried different ways around it, he just played into Winkys hands cause it took him too long to set up to punch and Winky just took advantage of it all night.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
So you think Miranda could win? Why didn't Tito just let his hands go against Winky?¬
Exactly, while a puncher like Miranda always has the threat of connecting with a big shot to end a fight; someone like Winky can usually frustrate them to the point of making them either gun shy or predictable, sloppy reachers.
It is exciting to think that Miranda could be that rare fighter that relies on power, who is able to have continued success against elite competition. I wonder if he'll be able to stay a middleweight though.
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
I thoroughly enjoyed the Litzau fight! I actually like watching him from all those exciting FNF appearances. I thought he lost the Nolasco fight...
I thought it was an interesting example of how much psychology is involved in boxing. When his trainer kept urging him to be careful, it seemed to me like Litzau was taking it as a challenge to his manhood rather than sound advice. ;D Maybe he'll learn to listen, and tuck his chin in a little better next time too!
Re: Wacko's Drunken Round by Round of Edison Miranda vs Willie Gibbs
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by global
Its not impossible Winky and Miranda will fight. If Miranda has a big name fight in Florida and wins maybe there would be enough interest in a fight between him and Winky that promises of a respectable purse makes the fight happen in Tampa or Hollywood.
What do you think the outcome will be bro?
I agree with other posts suggesting that Miranda has a good chance because he won't be gunshy, and though Taylor couldn't bust through the gaurd completely I think Miranda may have the power to break through it. Winky is also sitting still and trading punches somewhat in his last few fights, I dont think he has the power to seriously hurt Miranda and that could be trouble for Winky. I like Winky alot and wouldn't be suprised if he won, but my money would be on Miranda.
