I think Paul Williams would wipe the floor with Mayweather .Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
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I think Paul Williams would wipe the floor with Mayweather .Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
Why? What does Paul Williams do that makes you feel that way?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
I see where a tall, rangy, high-volume puncher like Williams would appear to be the prototype fighter to give someone like Mayweather problems. However, I find it hard to believe he would "wipe the floor" with Mayweather, considering that he hit a journeyman like Santos Pakau with every punch in the book for 6 rounds and couldn't even knock him down.
I like Williams' chances against Margarito, who has no shown no clue how to avoid a punch and who doesn't throw fluid combinations in return.
But to expect Williams to beat Mayweather is a whole other thing entirely. Mayweather has shown the ability time and time again to make his opponents miss one punch after another, he can fight moving backward, and can effectively counter in combinations.
Williams throws and lands tons of punches. To beat a defensive fighter of Mayweather's caliber, he's going to have to be willing to deal with missing more punches than he's ever missed in his life, getting countered with more punches than ever before, and still keep coming. I'm not saying he can't do that, but that is a huge leap to make for a fighter. All high volume fighters can keep throwing when they're landing. Only the most committed and elite can keep throwing when they are mostly missing. Only time will tell which group Williams falls into.
Because Floyd gives up all the advantages he had on opponents. ! Paul Williams would give him hell in my opinion. were talking about a guy that 6'1 walks around at 168 170.. Mayweather at his best is 135-140. Mayweather also has fragile hands and hasn’t done much in the way stopping folks .. Mayweather would always be in punching range for Williams. And Williams lets those hand goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I agree about Margarito,, Margarito is as slow as syrup on cold day. and easy as all hell to hit.
He's certainly not giving up all the advantages. Yes, Floyd has had height and reach advantages against most of his opponents, and yes, he would be giving up those advantages against Williams. But height and reach aren't the main reasons that Mayweather is 37-0. Hand speed, foot speed, combination punching, and defensive technique are the main reasons he is 37-0, and he would still hold all of those advantages in a fight with Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
Height and reach advantage enhance those advantages you state here . when you have reach advantage you can play with folks at a safer distance, and thus apply the combinations , hand speed and foot speed. Floyd likes to stay out his opponents range and toy with them.. Floyd wouldn’t be enjoying that luxury vs. Williams.. I feel that Williams can match him hand speed, and foot speed. . . I see Floyd being very uncomfortable against this type of tall high volume fighter. JMO O0Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
There are portions of your argument that I agree with and parts I do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lords Gym
First, I think it's an enormous leap to say that Williams can match the hand and foot speed of Mayweather. Floyd is the fastest fighter on the planet. If Williams had Mayweather's speed to go along with a 6'1" body and 82" reach, he would be destroying every opponent in one round and would be touted as potentially one of the great fighters of all-time. This is obviously not the case. Williams has good hand and foot speed. Does he have speed that rivals Mayweather's speed? No way.
As for your argument that height and reach enhance speed advantages... of course they do. Any fighter, if given the choice, would love to go into a fight with a height and reach advantage. But just because those advantages would be taken away from Floyd, that doesn't mean all his other advantages disappear. One thing Floyd has going for him is that while he does like to use his feet, he has also been well schooled in the defensive technique of slipping punches with upper body movement, as opposed to always dodging punches by running. If you look at the best defensive fighters of recent years, they are usually the fighters who employ this style. Pernell Whitaker was IMO the best defensive fighter of the past 25 years, and is also the best comparison to Mayweather. He could stand flat-footed in front of a taller opponent and still not get hit with a single punch, because his defensive style was about upper body movement and utilizing the gloves to block punches, not about running. Mayweather employs this style as well, it's the style his father taught him from a young age. This allows him to dodge punches effictively even if he is within his opponents' punching range.
I do agree with you that a tall, high volume guy like Williams can make Floyd uncomfortable. I think you're right with that. Conventional wisdom always says that the type of fighter who gives a speed fighter like Mayweather problems is the straight-ahead brawler who will dive in and work the body. A fighter who fits this mold is someone like Hatton. I've always completely disagreed with this logic. I think a straight ahead body puncher who dives in to throw punches is the easiest type of opponent for a boxer like Mayweather, because a straight ahead body puncher is such an easy target. Someone like Mayweather can just back up and pick apart a fighter like Hatton with counter shots and uppercuts.
On the other hand, Williams doesn't need to dive in to reach Mayweather, and therefore his body type and fighting style present more problems for Floyd. An example of this matchup problem are the Forrest-Mosley fights. Mosley met his match at 147 when he got in the ring with an unusually tall and rangy welterweight. However, the big difference is that Mosley was never a good defensive fighter, and had no clue how to duck punches with upper body movement like Floyd can. That's why I think Floyd will be able to do things to Williams that Mosley could not do against Forrest. A puncher like Mosley will always eventually meet his match. The elite defensive fighter, like Mayweather, can always use his defensive skills to adjust to whatever challenge he comes across.
I have never disagreed with any of you posts. Every now and then I have a slightly different opinion then you do , but even then I wouldn’t press my opinion to strongly over yours as I feel you make an excellent case, and I can see your logic. I really enjoy your insight. - Cool Click #21 peace out - LGQuote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
CC for that mate.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoxingGod
IMO!!!!!!!!!
Floyd needs to shut the fuck till he even gets an of my respect. I watch Floyd the way he fights etc and think to myself :o :o woooow!. He looks so good every fight, and i just feel the mouth dont need to be there because we know how good he is. If he loses the mouth and starts showing some dam respect for fighters i could think something about him.
I feel Floyd needs to get to 154 and try! and beat ODLH. If he does this and does it in a good enough way (KO) or convincingly beats him, then he needs to stay at 154 and offer Shane out. Somebody a few posts ago was talking about having real legends on his name and i feel this is a good step towards that. If Floyd stays at 154 and fights and beats Shane and Oscar and shuts the fuck up i belive he can start looking himself as a fighter of the era.
As for retiring i feel this is the wrong move. Floyd is fighting at his best, if he moves back to 147 where i belive is where the fights are at, he will do well. I do feel a couple of fights at 154 would be nice to see but i feel if he wants to make a good progress in the sport and not be around for much longer i feel he should go back to 147 and beat the names there. In terms of him doing that and beating the men at 154 he will show he is a fighter of the era but still his big mouth i feel didnt get him there. If he lost the mouth it would help because it really pisses me off the way he talks on and on and on. I know Floyd in most cases can beat the people but he he should keep it shut if he wants to show he is a real fighter.
In terms of losing fights and risk taking i feel Floyd would have problems with the power at 154 and this could make the fight look boring. I wouldnt want to see Floyd running away all night because what is the point in even fighting the fight ? He should get back down to 147 and fight the big names there. If he fought cotto, margarito,williams this would be good to see. In the long run i feel that Floyd should go and fight these men and show he is a great. I feel if Floyd wants to go to 154 and run away all night, that wouldnt prove to much. But if he goes to 147 and shows he is the best at 147 i would like to see that!
I agree... ring size has a lot to do with that. Take a guy like Hatton, short fighter short reach, he needs to get Mayweather in a smaller ring to force some exchanges, Hatton need to have the opportunity to cut the ring off . ..Mayweather in a 24-27 foot ring , would put on a clinic. its near impossible to cut a ring off that size with a super talented boxer who have a reach advantage , fast hands and fast feet. I never seen anyone work reverse as well as Mayweather, not even Sweet Pea.. Peat was more of a circle your opponent and get angles but he was usually in punching range and could be hit from time to time. Mayweather likes to pot shot and go.Quote:
Originally Posted by SweetPea
I think another mistake a lot of power punchers make, is that they keep doing the same thing over and over ( predictable if you will) and as consequence they lose round after round.. what I mean is they fall into the slick boxers trap !.. For instance I give it a few rounds and try and see what I can do with a pot shot runner.. maybe I can cut the ring off and force some exchanges and continue on that way , but if its not working and I am just falling into a cycle of being abused and losing round after round ... I change it up early . ( before I have given away all the fuckin rounds ) make the boxer become aggressive, shame him into coming forward, stop chasing altogether , at least until I got him doing more what I want .. when he move back,, I move back, give him a mirror image of his style.. its the best chance to win use the mind . make it look like he don't want to fight. Give him the illusion he is a chicken shit . Whisper in his ear.. You got to bait that slick boxer. and then you try and ruffle them feathers ! Because one dimensional str8 forward fighting won’t work against a skilled Mayweather type fighter. . O0 O0
No1 who fights Mayweather seems to have a sense of urgency. Round after round just passes them by.
We have a line that we use here rather cheerfully @ saddo's it goes a little somefin like dis:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tam Seddon
"WHO ARE YOU?"
I'm sure that that's what Floyd would think if'n he read the above quote. ;D ;)
Who are you?
In the short term Floyd may think who the fuck am i. But when you think about it in the long term im probablly not the only person who thinks that, so if he does keep his mouth shut he can win people over i.e. me!Quote:
Originally Posted by wacko3205