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Calling out doesn't mean shit, I can call out whoever and it doesn't matter, it comes down to "did the deal get done?" and it never did happen.
PBF says he's retiring and I think it's absolute bullshit that he FINALLY fights a great fighter and he says he's going to hang it up....it's a bitch move
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im curious, lyle...............
so if calling people out "doesnt mean shit" then what does it mean when a fighter says "im not ready, maybe next year." ??
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You misinterpreted that Wack,I just meant I credit him for the Chavez win, Cotto(unbeaten and one of the up coming big stars of the game),Hatton(champ at 140,would come to 147 and unbeaten and Margarito(RING/ESPN number 2 WW and unbeaten at the weight for 7 or 8 years) would look awesome on his resume and no way would it go on and on after that,if he won those,I don't think anyone on this forum could say anthing?! Whereas I hardly think there was a clamour to see him beat Corley,Mitchell,these types of guys.
If he does decide to retire after fighting Oscar,it is a cop out but I don't think he will,I think there will be a rematch with Oscar.Quote:
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Probably the same reason Wlad ain't rematch Brewster or Sanders.Quote:
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He's fought some great fighters...but once again...they just end up not being great enough after he beats them.Quote:
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k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)
Fair enough. No simple or stupid comments.
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130 lbs:
Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.
Hernandez was Floyd's first chance at a title shot. He had also taken on many other great fighters...includin g Oscar...to whom he lost. After losing to Oscar he picked up the WBC featherweight title & he defended it either 4 or 5 times against some pretty game opposition...Floyd beat him & he never fought again...yeah...you can say that he ended his career but I'm not so sure I'd lable him as practically at the end of his career after winning & defending a title multiple times...but again...Floyd knocked him out...or whatever you wish to call it...he whipped him quite handily.
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Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…
Angel Manfredy was a good fighter indeed...yes he did fall to the competition...but many have & many do & many will. The thing about Manfedy is that he was a solid fighter who stalled a bit in the start of his career. He defeated Gatti when Gatti was a somebody & put up one hell of a showing there...stopped him or his corner did.
After Mayweather...Manfre dy would go on to have his a** handed to him by other championship fighters like Johnston, Corrales, & a few other namers.
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Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF
Agreed. Plenty of experience...but argueabely the statement that he didn't have the skills to deal with Floyd can apply to pretty much everyone that Floyd has faced.
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Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.
Agreed. Juuko was not a world beater...he was indeed a tuff fighter...but the world is full of A's & B's & C's & D's...Floyd is now on the 4th defense of his Super Feather title & he's still fighting game opposition...it's just previous tense...something that everyone keeps over looking.
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Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….
Agreed...another shut out...which is what is beginning to show up as the defining status of Floyd. He has gained momentum & a reputation for beating tuff & game fighters by virtuoso performances.
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Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.
Early on in his career Floyd takes on one of the hardest hitters of the division & he utterly destroys him...so...now Corrales then becomes wet behind the ears, he lost too much weight, or he had a hang nail or what the fwock ever you can come up with...& the pattern emerges within Floyd's detractors that they will reach far & wide to pick apart his opposition...no matter what...oh yeah...but nevertheless an impressive win. Priceless.
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Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer
Here's what get's me with this...it's a good win for Floyd...but he got floored? Is that a bad thing? Champions get dropped all the time & get up to win the match...that's what makes them champions. Now...my problem is this...have you even seen the fight? I don't think you have...because it was Floyd's glove...not his a**, knees, or chest that touch the canvas...so he didn't get floored. Having a knockdown scored by a glove touching the mat does not make one floored.
Your well thought out piece is full of holes & yes HATE. Just say that you don't like Floyd & let's just get on with it.
Hernandez would go on to win the IBF title & fight in some of the most spirited fights in & around his weight class. Falling short to Morales, Chavez, & Kelley.
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Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.
Dominating a great fighter. Chavez is a GREAT fighter & also...not only was it domination...Floyd was & is to date the only man to stop him. Chavez is known as being a great Mexican warrior & Chavez is still defending a title to date...he's a tuff B****** & a hell of a fighter. Again...not a chump...or a second rater...a top fighter.
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Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135
Casamayor had already been defeated by Freitas...& you again...one man can't fight every fighter in the world...but you can have PoPo as he proved to be less than impressive.
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135lbs:
Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…
A true credit to Floyd & the one contradiction to everyone's critique...if Floyd's often running from top opposition...he silenced fans & critics by taking on the hardest combatant of his career in a rematch...& yep...he won again & even more convincingly so.
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Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..
If he's got an impressive record & he fought chumps before & after Floyd...you are just being bitter. He fought champions before & after Floyd. You need to get real.
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Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.
Indeed.
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Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!
Stevie Johnston? Oh well...missed him...so what...Castillo...b eat him twice.
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140lbs
Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition
Corley was a work horse...has been & always will be...oddly enough...I don't consider him top competition...more of the B grade...but it was still a great fight & he gave everyone else loads of trouble.
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Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator
Bruseles is a good fighter...but he was just out of his league as many fighters are with Floyd.
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Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title
Agreed here. Gatti was a B class fighter...but he had made his comeback & he was the biggest PPV draw out there that Floyd could get & whether you as a fan or hater want to admit/believe it or not...boxing is about making money & the networks aren't going to stand behind a fighter that doesn't make them money. Floyd didn't want Gatti in the start of the matchmaking...but out came the money & the promises & Floyd dispatched him where others did not.
Oscar & Floyd pretty much destroyed Gatti...anyway you slice it.
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Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….
Agreed...& he should be credited here.
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Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu
Just because all these fights were not made...it's not Mayweather's fault that the fights weren't all made.
Careful deduction will show most that a lot of this stems from the fans, Arum's bitterness, & a lot of would be contenders pulling out here & there.
#1: Margarito wasn't a factor until Floyd left Arum...think back to when that was & you'll see that truth.
#2: Cotto...he already said he wasn't ready...then he was. When he was...that changed over the course of an 8 round blowout & youv'e never heard peep from him again due to the fact that Cotto watched ringside as Floyd systematically humiliated Miquel's sparring partner Bruseles...& that was that.
#3: Hatton by his own admission...wasn't ready...then he was...then he wasn't...then came Collazo & now he's back @ 140lbs...
But you'll never take any of that into consideration because it's easier for you all to just throw it off on Floyd...even when you read interviews of fighters saying that they aint ready.
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You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..
The evidence is circustantial & all youv'e done is proven yourself to be that which you just gave me permission to lable you as...a hater.
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PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…
Now...you did take some time putting this thread together...but it's got a hint of bitterness because you are indeed picking apart the opposition & putting it all under negative light...& let's face it...youv'e already proven that your'e not that big of a Floyd supporter haven't you?
wacko....I LOVE YOU MAN!...could'nt of said it better myself ;D