Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.
Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...
example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\
No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.
Sorry
I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.
Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...
example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\
No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.
Sorry
I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)
So you've also worked doors eh? Look i'm not saying training isnt of benefit. But you cannot presuure test all those fancy techniques under stress. Gross motor skills work best under pressure and under the strain of a real go. I'm sure your training has been a useful attribute but as far as trapping arms and busting elbows and using all sortas of funky standing joint manipulation ALA Steven Segal when the shyte hits the fan. Ive never seen it work...and i've seen quite a bit.
If you say it works for you then i have no reason not to believe you. What i will say is where TMA's come unstuck is when there are 1000's of different options are trained for, this f*cks the mind under adrenaline and it can't choose what it wants. Then invariably the person freezes. As i have said countless times choose 3 or 4 signature moves drilled endlessly and have a support system that can be pressure tested such as MMA,Juso, Boxing. Cmbat sports where it takes balls to step up. Cos that is what it takes when some 15 stone guy is spitting in your face telling you he is going to rip your head off. It takes nuts to just stop yourself from freezing.
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Munky
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Von Milash
either way that S***'s useless. like someone is just going to hand over thier arm or hand or whatever.
Remember Von to obtain pain compliance or joint destructions you have to create a distraction whether its intercepting the fist, parrying or deflecting set up mutiple combos depending on were the sequence flows...
example: if you attempted to punch me and I deflected with my right and simotaneously fingerjabbed you with my left to your eye, quickly grabbed your wrist with my right and then uppercutted your already hyper-extended elbow with my own elbow you are already such a mess that a 5 year old could grab your wrist and make you comply ;D and thats just one possible scenario out of 1000's or it works well if someone grabs you, your shirt there are countless ways and styles.. I prefer the FMA's myself and as I been thinking it over for the past year, I might forgo the JKD and MMA aspirations and concentrate on the FMA's but I feel at 31 I still have a long time to go in MA's so I have time to do it all essentially but work is a heavy constraint on my time and growth :-\
No disrespect mate it doesnt work like that in a real go. I would bet my house you would not be able to pull that S*** off in a real go. Thats my opinion but its an opinion of experience. I have seen to many people try that stuff and get levelled.
Sorry
I been in real go's myself Bro and have utilized JKD techniques they work believe me I have worked the door in a very Rowdy Strip joint and have dealt with the scum of the earth, I been attacked by a carpenters hammer, I have had a gun held to my head, so I have dealt with adversity in plenty of non-sport skirmishes and if I wasnt alert from mytraining or background I might have been hurt seriously or killed.....I dont claim to be the end all be all tough guy but I can hold my own I have parried punches and used leverage countless times to gain superior position. the bigger they are the easier its been.. but to discount proper technique and say it dosent work is a little short sighted.. its like anything else you use the appropriate strike depending on distance and angles, no different than when a boxer trys to throw an uppercut from 3 ft away OF COURSE he is wide opened to get sparked, MA techniques are no different... Fight Smarter not harder ;)
So you've also worked doors eh? Look i'm not saying training isnt of benefit. But you cannot presuure test all those fancy techniques under stress. Gross motor skills work best under pressure and under the strain of a real go. I'm sure your training has been a useful attribute but as far as trapping arms and busting elbows and using all sortas of funky standing joint manipulation ALA Steven Segal when the shyte hits the fan. Ive never seen it work...and i've seen quite a bit.
If you say it works for you then i have no reason not to believe you. What i will say is where TMA's come unstuck is when there are 1000's of different options are trained for, this f*cks the mind under adrenaline and it can't choose what it wants. Then invariably the person freezes. As i have said countless times choose 3 or 4 signature moves drilled endlessly and have a support system that can be pressure tested such as MMA,Juso, Boxing. Cmbat sports where it takes balls to step up. Cos that is what it takes when some 15 stone guy is spitting in your face telling you he is going to rip your head off. It takes nuts to just stop yourself from freezing.
I will go on record as saying "I never used or attempted a joint destruction or Muscle destruction" but I have deflected or parryed to were I fell into position and had no reason to think it couldnt been executed properly since the attacker was off balance and I had the limb already... I prefer the Muay Thai clinch Knees and elbows and of course the groin shot which is a hell of an equalizer ;D
I know what you mean with the bigger guys, I am 5'11 195-200lbs... I had to bring 2 strippers to a bachelor party at a Polish-American club, well nothing scared me more than having to meet with the bestman who was at least 6'1 225-235lb muscular construction worker type, I pulled him aside and I collected the cash upfront for the Strip Club and then I went over the ground rules..... I told him no prostitution, No Touching, No Name calling........ Then I got in his face and I said you better let these guys know that if there are any problems or any deviation from the rules I'll have there asses and then I'll be coming for you, Then I asked him if I was clear enough in my explanation... He said yes!!!!
Well it was a 2 hour party and I was pacing the floor with a stonefaced pissed off look meanwhile in reality I was sweating the whole time counting the seconds, nothing scarier than having to potentially protect 2 naked erotic dancing girls in a closed room with 20 drunk meat heads...... Scary Shit bro let me tell you!
Oh and I always wore Mildly loose fitting jeans with a Jock Strap at the door because those sneaky Fukers were always trying to clip you in the balls :P
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
I think a combination of Muay Thai for striking and some type of grappling/ground fighting (BJJ/Judo/Sambo/Wrestling) would be the best for real world fighting. Muay Thai utilizes all aspects of striking and more importantly it trains you to fight inside a phone booth. A good base in some sort of grappling will help in balance and body control. Combine that with some basic submission defense and techniques and I'd say an average sized man thats in good shape could successfully win against 75% of the world
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
hey jt rocks just wanted to say that i have a lot of respect for u becouse my wife is a dancer and i have to trust a bouncer i am only 5'7" 150 so i am not the most effective bouncer i can hold my own with any single person on the street but multiple people give me trouble also i am not intimidating looking so there is more of a chance of people trying something.
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by tkdboy
hey jt rocks just wanted to say that i have a lot of respect for u becouse my wife is a dancer and i have to trust a bouncer i am only 5'7" 150 so i am not the most effective bouncer i can hold my own with any single person on the street but multiple people give me trouble also i am not intimidating looking so there is more of a chance of people trying something.
Thanks ;) my Bouncing days are far behind me, but they were fun for a time.....as far as your size, you are right you would make a shitty bouncer, not cause you cant fight but people would size you up constantly cause of your size and challenge your authority and ability to keep them in check... Like I said I'm 5"11 and 195-200lbs and I'm not the ideal size either, I would get the occasional dikhead that would push my buttons, I had a reputaion for holding my own so people respected me and my skill in my area and they also recognized me as being the real deal and not some product of a few Karate classes(No Offense to Practitioners) so I was cool with most.
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From my frequenting the local watering holes, I've seen that 90% of what makes a good bouncer is how he carries himself. I've seen huge bouncers (6'5", 300 lbs of muscle) get picked on, while some tiny bouncer (5'6") rules the roost, because the huge guy was too quiet and reserved, while the tiny dude let everyone know he meant business. He just had that air about him that you don't fuck with him, while the other guy just seemed like a big dumb jock.
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
well this sounds like this could be another thread i am a confident person but i like just getting in the ring and doing my job but this one time i was parking cars for the club and this drunk guy started acting like a fool with my friend so i stepped in and ended up slipping a wild punch and taking him down into a hopkido style arm lock so when the bouncers came out of the bar they were like wow good move
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hey JT just wonderin mate. what would happen if you got a stonker on when you were working in the strip club and you were wearing a cup (or jock strap). surely that would cause some discomfort on your weapon if he wasnt free to stand to attention and you couldnt just get away with putting your hands in your pockets and adjusting yourself if your wearing a cup. and surely there must have been some moments where u got a hard on if your in the strip club? i would have been fucked ;D
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
You're all squabbling like children ........ everyone knows that the most effective fighting style is the one practised by Hong Kong Phooey.
;)
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by jbirdy
hey JT just wonderin mate. what would happen if you got a stonker on when you were working in the strip club and you were wearing a cup (or jock strap). surely that would cause some discomfort on your weapon if he wasnt free to stand to attention and you couldnt just get away with putting your hands in your pockets and adjusting yourself if your wearing a cup. and surely there must have been some moments where u got a hard on if your in the strip club? i would have been fucked ;D
Hahah!!! Funny you should say that Joe. The truth is, they are very attractive Physically,smell good move in all the right ways and obviously you get aroused.. But after a while you see the darkside (Coke, pills etc) of the situation and it begins to be a real turn off especially for me who has never did an illegal drug in my life.. Its all about the cash to them..
When you visit as a patron you stay a short while and get lost in your fantasie, but when your there working it becomes like anyother job after a while ;)
Re: which style of fighting is most practicle in a real fight.
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Originally Posted by Heavy D
From my frequenting the local watering holes, I've seen that 90% of what makes a good bouncer is how he carries himself. I've seen huge bouncers (6'5", 300 lbs of muscle) get picked on, while some tiny bouncer (5'6") rules the roost, because the huge guy was too quiet and reserved, while the tiny dude let everyone know he meant business. He just had that air about him that you don't fuck with him, while the other guy just seemed like a big dumb jock.
funny i thought you were going to say the opposite. i thought the little guy was gonna get tested because he shot his mouth to much because he thought he had something to prove and the big guy was left alone because he was quiet but had that don't fuck with me look.
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I don't mean that the little guy literally said stuff, but he just carried that aura about himself. The big guy would talk, but when he did, he never sounded sure. I was actually blessed with the ability to carry myself in the "Don't fuck with me" way, even without ever having to say anything. The small guy acted confident, like he knew that no matter what happened, he would handle himself. Meanwhile, the big guy always kind of came off scared whenever there was something about to go down.
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90% of doorwork is all about front.
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I always felt that the guys that act tough, big or small, make themselves targets. I have a ton more respect for bouncers who are nice guys. Didn't you guys see Roadhouse? "Be nice." ;D
