Re: Direct from Vitali Klitschko: I’m Back!
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Vitaly vs Ali - I would say Vitaly 8 of 10.
You may well be right. But there is always the element of how much more could the great of yesterday do if pushed to the limits? It might mean being stopped, or it might mean something very special to upset the odds. Always the element of the unknown.
My God. This is a sad day for boxing fans. I like ya Miles, I expect more outta you man. Vitali beat Muhammad Ali? Is it April fools alread? No, I didn't think so. NO fukin way in hell does Vitali even win much more than a round or two against Ali. Ali would make him quit. Vitali would not come out of his corner after about 8 rounds of beating that Ali would put on him. Big George would KO him rather quickly. His jaw ain't steel. Not by any means. Corey Sanders wobbled him several times, but did not have the air to finish him the fatty. Why people think the man has a great jaw is beyond me. Yes he has a better chin than that of his brother, but so does my grandmother.
I was standing on the fence and accepting the unknowable aspect of it all. I was simply condeding that the other guy had a chance of being right and I might be wrong. Ali had never faced anybody the size of Vitali and who is able to impose his jab and distance so well and who has a sturdy chin as well to boot. Ali wouldnt be knocking Vitali out. Ali was a force of nature and may very well have been able to work a decision. I think this is a possibility also. But as always in these cross generational matchups there are the unknown factors and we just dont know how they would interact come fight time. The Ali that fought Foreman would have a shot, but he's got to work on that huge reach advantage that Vitali possseses....
Vitali is a freakin amatuer compared to Ali. I mean who the fuk is Vitali? He made one defense of his title he won from outta shape fringe contender Corey Sanders, against totally outta shape Danny Williams. Primo Carnera was bigger than Vitali, and almost as clumsey and Max Bear DESTROYED him. Jess Willard was much larger than Jack Dempsey and Dempsey DESTROYED him. Now Ali would not DESTROY Vitali with power, but he would outbox him silly, cut him to ribbons and make him or his corner stop the fight. The class difernce between the two would be way too much for Vitali to overcome, he'd be smoked.
Its not just about class, it is about logistics too. Dont get me wrong, Im not jumping on Vitali's side here, Im just accepting the difficulties of comparing and contrasting with fighters of different sizes and eras. To not accept the possibilities of of what might very well be is to really limit one's sense of perspective.
I agree completely that Ali was a great and he accomplished so much. But he wasnt perfect and he could be beaten. Frazier and Norton are testament to that. To say Vitali has no chance is blinkered vision because he would have a realistic chance of beating Ali. Ali starts with the size and weight handicap against a fighter who really shouldnt be compared with Carnera! Just as Vitali has a chance, so does Ali have a shot at beating Vitali.
Re: Direct from Vitali Klitschko: I’m Back!
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Vitaly vs Ali - I would say Vitaly 8 of 10.
You may well be right. But there is always the element of how much more could the great of yesterday do if pushed to the limits? It might mean being stopped, or it might mean something very special to upset the odds. Always the element of the unknown.
My God. This is a sad day for boxing fans. I like ya Miles, I expect more outta you man. Vitali beat Muhammad Ali? Is it April fools alread? No, I didn't think so. NO fukin way in hell does Vitali even win much more than a round or two against Ali. Ali would make him quit. Vitali would not come out of his corner after about 8 rounds of beating that Ali would put on him. Big George would KO him rather quickly. His jaw ain't steel. Not by any means. Corey Sanders wobbled him several times, but did not have the air to finish him the fatty. Why people think the man has a great jaw is beyond me. Yes he has a better chin than that of his brother, but so does my grandmother.
I was standing on the fence and accepting the unknowable aspect of it all. I was simply condeding that the other guy had a chance of being right and I might be wrong. Ali had never faced anybody the size of Vitali and who is able to impose his jab and distance so well and who has a sturdy chin as well to boot. Ali wouldnt be knocking Vitali out. Ali was a force of nature and may very well have been able to work a decision. I think this is a possibility also. But as always in these cross generational matchups there are the unknown factors and we just dont know how they would interact come fight time. The Ali that fought Foreman would have a shot, but he's got to work on that huge reach advantage that Vitali possseses....
Vitali is a freakin amatuer compared to Ali. I mean who the fuk is Vitali? He made one defense of his title he won from outta shape fringe contender Corey Sanders, against totally outta shape Danny Williams. Primo Carnera was bigger than Vitali, and almost as clumsey and Max Bear DESTROYED him. Jess Willard was much larger than Jack Dempsey and Dempsey DESTROYED him. Now Ali would not DESTROY Vitali with power, but he would outbox him silly, cut him to ribbons and make him or his corner stop the fight. The class difernce between the two would be way too much for Vitali to overcome, he'd be smoked.
Its not just about class, it is about logistics too. Dont get me wrong, Im not jumping on Vitali's side here, Im just accepting the difficulties of comparing and contrasting with fighters of different sizes and eras. To not accept the possibilities of of what might very well be is to really limit one's sense of perspective.
I agree completely that Ali was a great and he accomplished so much. But he wasnt perfect and he could be beaten. Frazier and Norton are testament to that. To say Vitali has no chance is blinkered vision because he would have a realistic chance of beating Ali. Ali starts with the size and weight handicap against a fighter who really shouldnt be compared with Carnera! Just as Vitali has a chance, so does Ali have a shot at beating Vitali.
I know he's not as bad as Carnera. but HBO has made him almost as bad of hype job. I think you are being too diplomatic here man, too generous to Vitali. He sure as heck ain't gonna outbox Ali, and he's not gonna bomb him outta there, so whats he gonna do? Get schooled thats what. It's all good though man, I know you're just holdin back so as not to offend the Klit heads. ;) ;D
Re: Direct from Vitali Klitschko: I’m Back!
OK here I go again..
Please don't sad click the sh1t out of me.
Even tho I don't think all that much of the Klitschkos in this era.
maybe because there is so much over the top Klitschko nuthu@@ing here.
BUT.
Either one would beat a prime Ali...easily..
Byrd is very slick and skilled, fast, smooth & smart. In short he is better than Ali ever was....and W Klitsch beat him...........Badly............twice..
scores like 106-120,107-119,108-118 in the first fight..a blow out.
Second fight...The VERY skilled ,slick,fast and smart Byrd.(and i mean all those things) was totaly dominated before a 7th round tko.
Against Vitali, Byrd was Way behind, and having his ass landed to him on a plate. Behind 83-88,83-88,82-89 before Vitali tore a rotator cuff and couldn't continue.
Against the new era of skilled,schooled,supersized and superathletic fighters.....ALI has....NO CHANCE.....ZERO!
Re: Direct from Vitali Klitschko: I’m Back!
landmine, the simple fact that you think Chris Byrd was better than Ali just meant that I stopped reading anything further in your post. Seriously, if you're gonna spout that sort of foul language, leave it until the end of the post.
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vitali is good but what your saying and what you said on other thread your overrating him plinden too much i mean vitali is too robitic his hands are constantly low and he is easy to hit and i think prime bowe would beat vitali imo
and landmine your posts when i keep reading byrd is better than ali i dont really bother reading your posts anymore
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It's some kind of scheme they came up with one Sunday afternoon while milling around in their grandmothers backyard.
Vitali takes the fights that pose too big a threat to Wlad and they both skate through the rest of their respective outings. This way when Maskaev and Valuev get their inevitable a** whippings the Russians will still have 50% (or more) of the Heavyweight crown.
If they would fight each other than it wouldn't matter much, but they won't and it's nothing more than a safety net for Wlad. I'm sure that Wlad's job was too hold the fort till Vitali's return.
I don't think Wlads job was to hold the fort....Since Wlad is the best in the Division...IMO he is also the superior fighter between the two of them...Vitaly just has the chin to go with his skills...If Wlad had Vitalys chin...He would own the division until he damn well felt like giving it up...And yes IMO the chin is Wlads only real flaw other then occassional stamina problems
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Has Vitali or Wlad ever been asked what they would do if they were the only two champions in heavyweight and had 2 of the belts each ??
I'm presuming they would never EVER fight each other but wondered what their official line on this subject is ?!?
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OK here I go again..
Please don't sad click the sh1t out of me.
Even tho I don't think all that much of the Klitschkos in this era.
maybe because there is so much over the top Klitschko nuthu@@ing here.
BUT.
Either one would beat a prime Ali...easily..
Byrd is very slick and skilled, fast, smooth & smart. In short he is better than Ali ever was....and W Klitsch beat him...........Badly............twice..
scores like 106-120,107-119,108-118 in the first fight..a blow out.
Second fight...The VERY skilled ,slick,fast and smart Byrd.(and i mean all those things) was totaly dominated before a 7th round tko.
Against Vitali, Byrd was Way behind, and having his a** landed to him on a plate. Behind 83-88,83-88,82-89 before Vitali tore a rotator cuff and couldn't continue.
Against the new era of skilled,schooled,supersized and superathletic fighters.....ALI has....NO CHANCE.....ZERO!
Amen, thats right. Look at the data: ALI was always the bigger man (apart from Foreman and another) and he went 12 rounds against RUDI LUBBERs 196 POUNDS, and had trouble against 190pound Cooper; the sluggers like CHUVALO 216 pounds took him 15 rounds! Vitaly at 250+ would have killed those guys. Ali was BIGGER than Lyle, Frazier, Norton - better reach, heavier and still he had to struggle - Vitaly is many sizes bigger and taller.
AND Vitaly has never been KOd, hasnt even ever lost a match not stopped on injuries.
AND Corrie Sanders would have been a handful for ALI like he was for Vitaly; fast hands, rugged as hell, bigger. much more of a KO power than ALI I would say Corrie Sanders would win 6 out 10
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OK here I go again..
Please don't sad click the sh1t out of me.
Even tho I don't think all that much of the Klitschkos in this era.
maybe because there is so much over the top Klitschko nuthu@@ing here.
BUT.
Either one would beat a prime Ali...easily..
Byrd is very slick and skilled, fast, smooth & smart. In short he is better than Ali ever was....and W Klitsch beat him...........Badly............twice..
scores like 106-120,107-119,108-118 in the first fight..a blow out.
Second fight...The VERY skilled ,slick,fast and smart Byrd.(and i mean all those things) was totaly dominated before a 7th round tko.
Against Vitali, Byrd was Way behind, and having his a** landed to him on a plate. Behind 83-88,83-88,82-89 before Vitali tore a rotator cuff and couldn't continue.
Against the new era of skilled,schooled,supersized and superathletic fighters.....ALI has....NO CHANCE.....ZERO!
Amen, thats right. Look at the data: ALI was always the bigger man (apart from Foreman and another) and he went 12 rounds against RUDI LUBBERs 196 POUNDS, and had trouble against 190pound Cooper; the sluggers like CHUVALO 216 pounds took him 15 rounds! Vitaly at 250+ would have killed those guys. Ali was BIGGER than Lyle, Frazier, Norton - better reach, heavier and still he had to struggle - Vitaly is many sizes bigger and taller.
AND Vitaly has never been KOd, hasnt even ever lost a match not stopped on injuries.
AND Corrie Sanders would have been a handful for ALI like he was for Vitaly; fast hands, rugged as hell, bigger. much more of a KO power than ALI I would say Corrie Sanders would win 6 out 10
;D ::**
Re: Direct from Vitali Klitschko: I’m Back!
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OK here I go again..
Please don't sad click the sh1t out of me.
Even tho I don't think all that much of the Klitschkos in this era.
maybe because there is so much over the top Klitschko nuthu@@ing here.
BUT.
Either one would beat a prime Ali...easily..
Byrd is very slick and skilled, fast, smooth & smart. In short he is better than Ali ever was....and W Klitsch beat him...........Badly............twice..
scores like 106-120,107-119,108-118 in the first fight..a blow out.
Second fight...The VERY skilled ,slick,fast and smart Byrd.(and i mean all those things) was totaly dominated before a 7th round tko.
Against Vitali, Byrd was Way behind, and having his a** landed to him on a plate. Behind 83-88,83-88,82-89 before Vitali tore a rotator cuff and couldn't continue.
Against the new era of skilled,schooled,supersized and superathletic fighters.....ALI has....NO CHANCE.....ZERO!
Amen, thats right. Look at the data: ALI was always the bigger man (apart from Foreman and another) and he went 12 rounds against RUDI LUBBERs 196 POUNDS, and had trouble against 190pound Cooper; the sluggers like CHUVALO 216 pounds took him 15 rounds! Vitaly at 250+ would have killed those guys. Ali was BIGGER than Lyle, Frazier, Norton - better reach, heavier and still he had to struggle - Vitaly is many sizes bigger and taller.
AND Vitaly has never been KOd, hasnt even ever lost a match not stopped on injuries.
AND Corrie Sanders would have been a handful for ALI like he was for Vitaly; fast hands, rugged as hell, bigger. much more of a KO power than ALI I would say Corrie Sanders would win 6 out 10
Pele Reid stopped Vitali...if Britkid were here he'd be jumping up & down screaming it loud & proud...but wer'e talking boxing...not kick boxing.
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Would Vitali defeat the greatest Wacko, in your opinion?
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vitali is good but what your saying and what you said on other thread your overrating him plinden too much i mean vitali is too robitic his hands are constantly low and he is easy to hit and i think prime bowe would beat vitali imo
and landmine your posts when i keep reading byrd is better than ali i dont really bother reading your posts anymore
Vitali and ALi keep their hands low we they feel they can. It has never gotten Vitaly in trouble, its his cool style. I believe that Vitali would beat Ali given that Ali had to struggle against some rather small guys, and he was always bigger (almost) I dont thinkVitali would have trouble against Henry Cooper or Chuvalo.
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Vitali Klitschko - The most overrated heavyweight of all time
I know you throw these quotes out there just to get a rise out of someone...you know He is one of the top 3 current HW att....
and he was far from overrated....we'll see how he does now that the injury bug is long behind him...
How so? he lost to a clearly old and pas it leiws. tbh he looks like a robot in the damn ring, his uperbody work was good, but i thought his footwork was S***, he looked so awkward when trying to box, and being one of the top 2 HW atm proves what exactly? this is surly the worset crop of heavys thee has been, id on't like to say that 'coz it seems im being harsh on them and i have the respect for anyone who fights coz they are risking alot;but compared to the past earas and fighters this is by far the worst and even if you wwere the number 1 hw atm and had all 4 belts it don't mean jack and prove your not overated.
Whos your top 3 right now btw?
ruiz
Wlad
vitali ?
I am kinda suprised vitli wants to go right in for the wbc? i would of thought he would have a warm up? i know oleg isn't highly thought of, but after his long long lay off it seems risky to go in and fight for the wbc and then having to take on peter
sorry...I can't read gibberish...but I didn't see Vitali lose to Lewis...I saw the fight stopped due to cuts....he was the top rated HW at the time.....
What are you on?
Like it or not Vitali lost to Lennox Lewis.
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Vitali or God?
trick question...........Vitali is God! ha ha ha
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Pele Reid stopped Vitali...if Britkid were here he'd be jumping up & down screaming it loud & proud...but wer'e talking boxing...not kick boxing.
Oh please. I've heard you scream "Out, loud and proud" many a time.
