Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Pernell didn't fight the same quality IMO as Mayweather... some good names he has are Roger Mayweather(who was pretty good, but nothing like his nephew... in the ring at least), Vazquez(who did well against Winky, but is slow, and I think Winky had the wrong still for him), McGirt of course was IMO the best he fought, but Mayweather has already foughten very fast and offensively Skilled Zab Judah, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo, Corrales(who is both fast and strong).
You're joking right?
Whitaker fought Azumah Nelson and Julio Caesar Chavez. Nelson didn't win more than one or two rounds, and Chavez didn't win more than 3 or 4. And those two guys are two of the best fighters of that era. Either of those guys is better than anyone Mayweather has fought. And I'm not one of these people who criticizes Floyd's opponents, because I think he fights the best guys that are out there. But he doesn't have anyone on his resume who resembles Nelson or Chavez.
Then Whitaker fought both De La Hoya and Trinidad, when he was way past his prime and they were at the top of their game.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
Whitaker was 32 when he fought Chavez... or maybe I got it wrong if so... Mayweather still fought way more good figheters, and IMO Chavez would have been no problem for him. I think personally Chavez is one of the most overrated fighters ever. Nelson wasn't one of the best of the era... maybe in the weight category, and he won alot more than 2 rounds against Whitaker I had him behind maybe 4-5 rounds by the end. Though Chavez alot of those rounds were close, and like I said before he was overrated... Oscar destroyed him in a fashion a great fighter should never be destroyed, and Chavez was also outboxed by Meldrick Taylor who was quick, but wasn't on the same skill level as Mayweather or Pernell. In terms of skill though not even close in determination but JUdah is far more athletically gifted than anyone Pernell fought, and he is far faster than anyone Pernell fought. I feel that Judah was focused against Mayweather, but that Mayweather defense and commitment conquered a Judah that when he came in focused was a chin short of unstoppable however Mayweather didn't have the power to KO Judah which makes it all the more impressive how he handled him.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Whitaker was 32 when he fought Chavez.
Whitaker was 29 when he fought Chavez, the same age Mayweather is now.
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Nelson wasn't one of the best of the era... maybe in the weight category
Azumah Nelson was elected to the Hall of Fame in the first year that he was eligible. He was also ranked by Ring Magazine as the 65th best fighter of the last 80 years, ahead of such fighters as Thomas Hearns, Ricardo Lopez, Mike Tyson, and Oscar De La Hoya.
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Oscar destroyed him (Chavez) in a fashion a great fighter should never be destroyed
Chavez was 34 and 36 years old the two times he fought Oscar. He was way past his prime.
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In terms of skill though not even close in determination but JUdah is far more athletically gifted than anyone Pernell fought, and he is far faster than anyone Pernell fought.
I like Judah and no one will argue that he has incredible athleticism. But are you saying that Zab Judah is a better fighter and tougher opponent than Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad??
Because that would be nuts.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
I hate to say this but Sweet Pea and Floyd are way different as MIke Vick is to Joe Montana... Floyd is way better at transitioning and making his punches count.. Floyd dosent need to flury and an hit glove,,,,he is as accurate as an laser guided missle . he couples tight versatile defense with accuracy which leads to sting offensive iniative and counterpunching opportunities.... I will admit though I thought Pernell was all world and Istill feel the same .... Trinidad spanked that azz, but he did it against a Pernell that is not to far behingd from a current Oscar , minus the Coke ... but the Promotional, managerial and trainer "DRAMA" Dynamic is just as profound as Pernell's coke Habit was..... Floyd will be smaller but will Beat DLH to the punch and win no less than 9rounds and I predict he drops Oscar once as well as Oscar dropping FLoyd.. It will look like Trinidad Vs Whitaker just in reverse fashion... ;)
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Whitaker was 32 when he fought Chavez.
Whitaker was 29 when he fought Chavez, the same age Mayweather is now.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Nelson wasn't one of the best of the era... maybe in the weight category
Azumah Nelson was elected to the Hall of Fame in the first year that he was eligible. He was also ranked by Ring Magazine as the 65th best fighter of the last 80 years, ahead of such fighters as Thomas Hearns, Ricardo Lopez, Mike Tyson, and Oscar De La Hoya.
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Oscar destroyed him (Chavez) in a fashion a great fighter should never be destroyed
Chavez was 34 and 36 years old the two times he fought Oscar. He was way past his prime.
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In terms of skill though not even close in determination but JUdah is far more athletically gifted than anyone Pernell fought, and he is far faster than anyone Pernell fought.
I like Judah and no one will argue that he has incredible athleticism. But are you saying that Zab Judah is a better fighter and tougher opponent than Azumah Nelson, Julio Cesar Chavez, Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad??
Because that would be nuts.
I misread how old Whitaker was against Chavez my bad, and a guy like Chavez who didn't fight all that many good fighters should have still been able to do better than he did against ODLH that fight. I've seen 2 or 3 of Nelson's fights and I haven't been overly impressed for him being an ATG, and he definitely wasn't as good as Hearns, prime Mike Tyson. As about Judah I think in terms of skill he is better than any of those guys except maybe Nelson in terms of skill... Chavez was come forward guy with limited defense, Oscar Dela Hoya was dependent on his left hand, and wasn't even close to as fast as Judah. Trinidad had always been power... I never felt he could hang with the top guys... ODLH outboxed him, Bernard outboxed, and kicked his ass. Winky did the same as Bernard except he didn't KO Trinidad, but he made him look even more foolish as premier boxer.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
i think whitaker is an all time great. not only did he win fights he won all the rounds too. also I think his standard of opposition was much better. if you break down his record he fought and defeated the following
roger mayweather, haugen,ramirez (twice imo), nelson, pendleton, nazario, mcgirt twice paez, vasquez, chavez (yes he won that fight).
also when slightly passed his best he pushed de la hoya (having watched that fight i thought whitaker might of nicked it)
way past his best he lasted 12 against trinidad.
mayweather although impressive cant compare to whitaker in terms of class of opposition.
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I'm talking pre-Dela Hoya, and like I said Trinidad has been proven a inferior fighter when fighter a great boxer.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
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I'm talking pre-Dela Hoya, and like I said Trinidad has been proven a inferior fighter when fighter a great boxer.
You're right, Trinidad did have problems with slick boxers. But the two guys he lost to are Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright. Hopkins in one of the greatest middleweights of all-time and Wright is one of the toughest fighters of the last decade. It's hardly a shame to lose to those guys.
Trinidad is still an all-time great, and better than anyone Mayweather has fought. Trinidad in his prime would kick Zab Judah's ass.
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
if floyd retired today, pernell would be far and away the greater fighter....
hopefully, mayweather doesnt retire. i see him taking a year off and coming back to fight another mega fight. maybe wright at a catch weight, or paul williams (he will be a top contender at whatever weight hes at then) mosely (after he whoops collazo and probably cotto) or even hatton.
he gets a few names like that under his belt and remains dominant and undefeated, he could then retire as one of the greatest of all time
but i think that his brittle hands will ultimately be his downfall :-\
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
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Pernell didn't fight the same quality IMO as Mayweather... some good names he has are Roger Mayweather(who was pretty good, but nothing like his nephew... in the ring at least), Vazquez(who did well against Winky, but is slow, and I think Winky had the wrong still for him), McGirt of course was IMO the best he fought, but Mayweather has already foughten very fast and offensively Skilled Zab Judah, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo, Corrales(who is both fast and strong). Also I just watched Baldomir and Mayweather, and Mayweather is not often straight up hitting and running... many times in the fight he comes up to Baldomir and boxes him on the inside or throws combinations against Baldomir where he is hitting Baldomir flush and doesn't get hit once. IMO its impossible to say who's got the better defense especially in terms of skill because Whitaker had a defensive advantage fighting southpaw.
Oh! shitsky!!!
You gotta be kdding.....
Whitaker didn't fight the same quality of opposition as PBF has fought.... Ah!!! no NOW I've read it all...
Whos the last P4P fighter PBF faced?
Whitaker fought whom ever they put in front of him....
Re: This is what seperates Whitaker from Mayweather
CC in 24 Mick,and CCs Maj for the thread and Sweetpea for this awesome post
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Pernell didn't fight the same quality IMO as Mayweather... some good names he has are Roger Mayweather(who was pretty good, but nothing like his nephew... in the ring at least), Vazquez(who did well against Winky, but is slow, and I think Winky had the wrong still for him), McGirt of course was IMO the best he fought, but Mayweather has already foughten very fast and offensively Skilled Zab Judah, Corrales, Chavez, Castillo, Corrales(who is both fast and strong).
You're joking right?
Whitaker fought Azumah Nelson and Julio Caesar Chavez. Nelson didn't win more than one or two rounds, and Chavez didn't win more than 3 or 4. And those two guys are two of the best fighters of that era. Either of those guys is better than anyone Mayweather has fought. And I'm not one of these people who criticizes Floyd's opponents, because I think he fights the best guys that are out there. But he doesn't have anyone on his resume who resembles Nelson or Chavez.
Then Whitaker fought both De La Hoya and Trinidad, when he was way past his prime and they were at the top of their game.
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Originally Posted by Taeth
Whitaker was 32 when he fought Chavez... or maybe I got it wrong if so... Mayweather still fought way more good figheters, and IMO Chavez would have been no problem for him. I think personally Chavez is one of the most overrated fighters ever. Nelson wasn't one of the best of the era... maybe in the weight category, and he won alot more than 2 rounds against Whitaker I had him behind maybe 4-5 rounds by the end. Though Chavez alot of those rounds were close, and like I said before he was overrated... Oscar destroyed him in a fashion a great fighter should never be destroyed, and Chavez was also outboxed by Meldrick Taylor who was quick, but wasn't on the same skill level as Mayweather or Pernell. In terms of skill though not even close in determination but JUdah is far more athletically gifted than anyone Pernell fought, and he is far faster than anyone Pernell fought. I feel that Judah was focused against Mayweather, but that Mayweather defense and commitment conquered a Judah that when he came in focused was a chin short of unstoppable however Mayweather didn't have the power to KO Judah which makes it all the more impressive how he handled him.
Absolute BS!!! What is it with you Floyd fans,can you not be impartial like ever?!?!?!?! Ridiculous....
