Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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02-10-2007, 05:24 PM
motorcitycobra

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Who cares what the record says!!

All Oscar's controversial fights that could have gone either way only mean one thing...

he is as good as his opponent!!

Oscar was as good as Whitaker 147, Quartey 147, Trinidad 147, Mosley 154, Sturm 160. Its just a shame Kostya fought Phillips because if he didn't Tzsyu 140 would also be on the list.

Incidently who has Floyd got on his list? oh thats right... Castillo 135. ;D

He didn't do bad number on Chico either did he.
02-10-2007, 05:24 PM
TitoFan

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Be that as it may, at leats Oscar said "what the F***" and gave it a shot vs Mosley, Trinidad, and Hopkins....F****** middleweight Bernard Hopkins at their peak!!!!

Floyd has NEVER come close to taking those risks!

Oscar did beat Castillejo, Vargas, Campas, and Quartey at their best!

No offense, Lyle. But you can't SERIOUSLY believe Oscar beat Vargas and Campas at their best. Fact is they were both damaged goods by the time they fought Oscar. DLH had ample opportunity to face either of these guys, particularly Vargas, before they got destroyed by Tito. Vargas would've fought Oscar for FREE. But the Golden Boy wisely chose to wait until after Fernando got "ferociously" KO'd by Trinidad. Come to think of it..... the same can be said about Mayorga.
Hmmm.....
02-10-2007, 05:43 PM
Tito BHB

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Be that as it may, at leats Oscar said "what the F***" and gave it a shot vs Mosley, Trinidad, and Hopkins....F****** middleweight Bernard Hopkins at their peak!!!!

Floyd has NEVER come close to taking those risks!

Oscar did beat Castillejo, Vargas, Campas, and Quartey at their best!

No offense, Lyle. But you can't SERIOUSLY believe Oscar beat Vargas and Campas at their best. Fact is they were both damaged goods by the time they fought Oscar. DLH had ample opportunity to face either of these guys, particularly Vargas, before they got destroyed by Tito. Vargas would've fought Oscar for FREE. But the Golden Boy wisely chose to wait until after Fernando got "ferociously" KO'd by Trinidad. Come to think of it..... the same can be said about Mayorga.
Hmmm.....

I think the same can be said for vargas..
Im not entirely sure about campas..He was undefeated when he fought tito.. Something crazy like 58 -0 50 something ko's.. I dont feel the tito fight damaged yuri like the tito fight damaged vargas..
They was two different fights .. And plus vargas had fought better competition leading up to tito then yuri boy had.. Just yuri had fought many more.. Mostly in mexico..
Depends how you weight it up i guess...
02-10-2007, 05:51 PM
TitoFan

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Be that as it may, at leats Oscar said "what the F***" and gave it a shot vs Mosley, Trinidad, and Hopkins....F****** middleweight Bernard Hopkins at their peak!!!!

Floyd has NEVER come close to taking those risks!

Oscar did beat Castillejo, Vargas, Campas, and Quartey at their best!

No offense, Lyle. But you can't SERIOUSLY believe Oscar beat Vargas and Campas at their best. Fact is they were both damaged goods by the time they fought Oscar. DLH had ample opportunity to face either of these guys, particularly Vargas, before they got destroyed by Tito. Vargas would've fought Oscar for FREE. But the Golden Boy wisely chose to wait until after Fernando got "ferociously" KO'd by Trinidad. Come to think of it..... the same can be said about Mayorga.
Hmmm.....

I think the same can be said for vargas..
Im not entirely sure about campas..He was undefeated when he fought tito.. Something crazy like 58 -0 50 something ko's.. I dont feel the tito fight damaged yuri like the tito fight damaged vargas..
They was two different fights .. And plus vargas had fought better competition leading up to tito then yuri boy had.. Just yuri had fought many more.. Mostly in mexico..
Depends how you weight it up i guess...

Although I sort of agree... did you see the Tito KO of Campas? I think the ref could've stepped in there a couple of punches sooner. That last punch to the head almost sent Campas' head sailing into the seats.

Campas had a long, illustrious career; and I thoroughly enjoyed watching his fights. But the Campas that Oscar fought was "over-the-hill", while Tito caught him as an undefeated, rising star.

And that's what some of Tito's and Oscar's common opponents had in common. Tito caught them undefeated, near or at their peak, and KO'd them impressively. Oscar got them a few years later, either damaged or on the downhill side of their careers.
02-10-2007, 06:03 PM
Tito BHB

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Be that as it may, at leats Oscar said "what the F***" and gave it a shot vs Mosley, Trinidad, and Hopkins....F****** middleweight Bernard Hopkins at their peak!!!!

Floyd has NEVER come close to taking those risks!

Oscar did beat Castillejo, Vargas, Campas, and Quartey at their best!

No offense, Lyle. But you can't SERIOUSLY believe Oscar beat Vargas and Campas at their best. Fact is they were both damaged goods by the time they fought Oscar. DLH had ample opportunity to face either of these guys, particularly Vargas, before they got destroyed by Tito. Vargas would've fought Oscar for FREE. But the Golden Boy wisely chose to wait until after Fernando got "ferociously" KO'd by Trinidad. Come to think of it..... the same can be said about Mayorga.
Hmmm.....

I think the same can be said for vargas..
Im not entirely sure about campas..He was undefeated when he fought tito.. Something crazy like 58 -0 50 something ko's.. I dont feel the tito fight damaged yuri like the tito fight damaged vargas..
They was two different fights .. And plus vargas had fought better competition leading up to tito then yuri boy had.. Just yuri had fought many more.. Mostly in mexico..
Depends how you weight it up i guess...

Although I sort of agree... did you see the Tito KO of Campas? I think the ref could've stepped in there a couple of punches sooner. That last punch to the head almost sent Campas' head sailing into the seats.

Campas had a long, illustrious career; and I thoroughly enjoyed watching his fights. But the Campas that Oscar fought was "over-the-hill", while Tito caught him as an undefeated, rising star.

And that's what some of Tito's and Oscar's common opponents had in common. Tito caught them undefeated, near or at their peak, and KO'd them impressively. Oscar got them a few years later, either damaged or on the downhill side of their careers.

I have no trouble agreeing..I still give oscar credit for great competition..
But he did get a couple of tito's hand me downs..
oba carr.. Yuri boy campas.. Vargas..mayorga..Macho Camacho..( Hate caMAcho..!)
But it was also to do with the fact that these fighters were still part of the good competition when oscar arrived at welterweight because tito fought the best and oscar arrived a little late to claim the same..But they were still very good comp..
Peace
02-10-2007, 06:13 PM
TitoFan

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Be that as it may, at leats Oscar said "what the F***" and gave it a shot vs Mosley, Trinidad, and Hopkins....F****** middleweight Bernard Hopkins at their peak!!!!

Floyd has NEVER come close to taking those risks!

Oscar did beat Castillejo, Vargas, Campas, and Quartey at their best!

No offense, Lyle. But you can't SERIOUSLY believe Oscar beat Vargas and Campas at their best. Fact is they were both damaged goods by the time they fought Oscar. DLH had ample opportunity to face either of these guys, particularly Vargas, before they got destroyed by Tito. Vargas would've fought Oscar for FREE. But the Golden Boy wisely chose to wait until after Fernando got "ferociously" KO'd by Trinidad. Come to think of it..... the same can be said about Mayorga.
Hmmm.....

I think the same can be said for vargas..
Im not entirely sure about campas..He was undefeated when he fought tito.. Something crazy like 58 -0 50 something ko's.. I dont feel the tito fight damaged yuri like the tito fight damaged vargas..
They was two different fights .. And plus vargas had fought better competition leading up to tito then yuri boy had.. Just yuri had fought many more.. Mostly in mexico..
Depends how you weight it up i guess...

Although I sort of agree... did you see the Tito KO of Campas? I think the ref could've stepped in there a couple of punches sooner. That last punch to the head almost sent Campas' head sailing into the seats.

Campas had a long, illustrious career; and I thoroughly enjoyed watching his fights. But the Campas that Oscar fought was "over-the-hill", while Tito caught him as an undefeated, rising star.

And that's what some of Tito's and Oscar's common opponents had in common. Tito caught them undefeated, near or at their peak, and KO'd them impressively. Oscar got them a few years later, either damaged or on the downhill side of their careers.

I have no trouble agreeing..I still give oscar credit for great competition..
But he did get a couple of tito's hand me downs..
oba carr.. Yuri boy campas.. Vargas..mayorga..Macho Camacho..( Hate caMAcho..!)
But it was also to do with the fact that these fighters were still part of the good competition when oscar arrived at welterweight because tito fought the best and oscar arrived a little late to claim the same..But they were still very good comp..
Peace

Much respect, and I agree with you about 95%, Tito_BHB. But you see what I "bolded." That's where I differ a little bit. I think it wasn't all "arriving too late" as much as some self-preservation and incredible savvy and sense of timing from the Golden Boy. Again, he could've met Vargas before Tito did......... IF, he really wanted to. Vargas never made a secret of wanting to face the Golden Boy.
02-10-2007, 06:26 PM
babyboNe

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

you lost me on your last sentence, yes its fair to say oscar and floyd never beaten an all time great well as for oscar he never beat an all time great at thier prime, he did beat jcc in 4 rounds and fought everyone around, as for floyd(...........)that sums it up,

boxing fans are so funny, cant refuse to mention thier favorite fighter somehow and give them credit, oscar and floyd may have not beaten an all time great at thier prime, but hatton well his even worst, i mean way worst. hatton struggle right from the get go of leaving his mamas house, and he refuse to leave 140 in fear of losing, he stays there to pick on the smaller guys that even gives him a hard time.(scuuurrrrdddd,....turrrd)

floyd and hatton do have undefeated records, but hands down oscar fought ten times better oppenents then those two. and oscar still manage to reach the statues of boxings golden boy.....something floyd and hatton can't even dream of.
02-10-2007, 08:38 PM
warreng

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

I do think oscar is a bit overrated but there is no doubt he is a top fighter nd he has fort far superior opponents compared to mayweather nd hatton opponents put together nd as i hate a floyd i would love oscar to ko him but i no thats alot easier said than done cos his skills r amazing nd to be honest i can c him outboxing odhl but i am truly hoping floyd gets knocked out. Nd a couple of things from wot i read in some posts i dont think theres a problem with hatton staying at one weight is a problem at least will there r fights there nd alsoi think if floyd fort kostya therer would be a gd chance he would get stopped.
02-10-2007, 08:53 PM
CutMeMick

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

Title of thread: ODLH has never beaten a great boxer at their peak.

Well it all depends on what 'YOU' consider great......

Heres how I see it.....

Barry McGuigan is a Hall of Famer. (which I don't agree with)
Heres how he stands as a fighter.
Record: (32-3)
He beat Pedroza for his WBA title defended it twice then lost it, and that's it.

So if what Barry did landed in the Hall of Fame which equals greatness the heres how I see it for ODLH.

John John Molina
Record: (52-7)
He beat LaPorte for the vcant WBO belt. Then beat Lopez for his IBF belt, he defended that belt once then lost the re-match to Lopez. He won the vacant IBF belt and defended that belt 7 times. He then moved up in weight fought ODLH and lost. (And it's not like Molina grew old in 3 months) Molina then WAAYYY past his best days beat Tackie.

Genaro Hernandez
(38-2-1)
He was undefeated (32-0) when they met and Genaro was still in his best days.
He beat Landonas for the vacant WBA belt and defended it 8 times. He moved up in weight and lost to ODLH. (Again it's not Hrndz. grew old in 6 months) Hrndz. then wen't on to Azumah for his WBC belt and won he defended that belt 3 times before loosing.

'Santa Tokyo' Miguel Angel Gonzalez
(51-5-1)
He was undefeated (41-0) when they met and Miguel was still in his best days.
He beat Rocha for the vacant WBC belt and defended it 10 times. He then moved up in weight and lost to ODLH.

Pernell Whitaker
(40-4-1)
Crap! Do I really have to list all of his accomplishment?
Inducted to the IBHofF this year.....

Ike Quartey
(37-4-1)
He was undefeated (34-0) when they met and Ike was still in his best days.
He beat Espana for his WBA belt he then defended that belt 7 times. He then fought ODLH and lost.

So you see measuring ODLH opponents by the IBHofF (which equal grateness) standards and the 'in their peak' standard that you've set here ODLH has fought and beaten those kind of fighters...... You just gotta look closely.... And the same way hes beaten them they have beaten him; (In paper) Tito, SSM, B-Hop.

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated.

See above and this isn't even mentioning his stats (titles, defenses etc. etc.)

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

In his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

Fwock! >:mad I should have read your post completely. Instead of typing all that up to realise this is coming from a Hatton fan. Now I'm confused. ???

The title on your thread talks about ODLH not beting fighters in their peak as you say.
You then go on to say "In his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending"
Curious to know which 'GREAT' fighter has Hatton beat in their peak?

Kostya Tszyu
(31-2)
P4P Light Welter King. Defende his titles 7 times.

and....... ??? ummmmm!!! and ummmmmm :( ..... thats it.

I'm one of the few who thinks that Tszyu was NOT past his best days. Hatton was the better fighter that night. But to mouth of ODLH and then praise Hatton ius absurd and don't make no sense....

Anything else you'd like to discuss? :)

Ah!! come on guys no one want's to quote me.... :(
I just wanna have fun...... :(
02-10-2007, 09:12 PM
Samson3000

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

If you want to get technical as far as who has never beaten a great boxer at their peak, you could say the exact same thing about Roy Jones, Joe Frazier, Lennox Lewis, Winky Wright, Joe Calzaghe, Larry Holmes, , Kostya Tzsyu, Jack Dempsey, the list goes on. The problem is that kind of thinking is being way too picky.
02-10-2007, 09:34 PM
hackey100

Re: Oscar Delahoya has never beaten a great boxer at their peak

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Originally Posted by 'The Boxer'

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Originally Posted by SEANIE

he is not an all time great and is vastly overated. Floyd Mayweather has also beat no all time greats. in his last four bouts ricky hatton has won world titles of defending champions.

:sadclick:

you do realize that PBF beat Hattons next opponent twice already.

Make that once

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