joe fraizer vs larry holmes plus prime larry holmes vs mike tyson

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Originally Posted by orion2076

Holmes wins both I think. Both tyson and frazier take a lot of punches b4 they get inside to inflict damage. Holmes with his super jab would keep them off balance most of the night. How good would it be ta see though...

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Almost word for word what Id have said

Holmes UD Fraiser
Tyson SD Holmes

Holmes wins both in his prime IMO.



I think Fraizer would be the tougher fight as the longer the fight goes the better he gets where as Tyson goes the other way.


Holmes jab wins the day in both fights,even if he has to get off the mat to to do it.

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Originally Posted by tysonbruno

I think Holmes wins on points against Frazier but i think Tyson still ko's him he were'nt that far gone in there fight in 88 and lets not forget what holmes did after Tyson fight going distance with heavyweight champs Holyfield and Mcall and the mcall one was a juster

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Not completly sure,but I think Holmes took the fight on short notice/he was out of shape,was lured into it by the money. I think Homes gets a SD over both.

I think Holmes loses both IMO.

vs Frazier, Larry would build up a points lead but Larry faded late in fights and Joe started SMOKIN in the middle rounds so I think either Larry would escape with an SD, lose by decision or get stopped. If Frazier gave ALI all he could handle 3 times then I think it's only fair that "Ali Light" (Larry Holmes) would have had even more trouble with him.


vs Tyson the fast start, combination punching and pure pressure Tyson would bring would yeild a similar result to the fight they actually fought only Larry may make it to the 6th-8th rounds.

I think the guys Holmes would have had success vs Holyfield had he caught him when Larry was in his Prime.

I go for Joe Frazier against big Larry, Prime Frazier 1968-71 was an awesome force, i think the first Ali fight took a lot out of him and he was never the same fighter again. Foreman blew him away in 73 but up until then Frazier was like a steam train coming at you. Like Ali found out in 71 Holmes would have found Frazier an awkward target coming at him from those unusual angles.
Prime Tyson in 86-89 has the same result when they actually fought.
I like Larry Holmes, i actually think he would have beaten Lennox Lewis easily over 15 rounds.

Holmes wins both fights via stoppage aver 15 rounds

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Originally Posted by ICB

prime tyson sure got caught with holmes jab like when he danced in 4th round he caught tyson with 5 jabs and that was old shot one imagine young holmes being able to dance for full 12 ??

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Thing is, I reckon Tyson was a little sloppy in that fight because he knew Holmes had nothing to hurt him, he knew hed walk through him and he did.

A prime Holmes would get outworked but be able to make it messy like Smith did and hang on for a decision loss.

Tyson was a machine when he was young, 15 hard rounds of sparring every day, no one does that, which is why Mike was quick the whole fight, he wouldnt have slowed, it would look like the Tucker and Green fights;) Holmes would have tired before Mike swinging and missing, he would have had to resort to holding like they all did.

Holmes is also a very bitter man, he wouldnt be very complimentary of any boxer, he is sore that Mike wiped the floor with him, Holmes was still a very capable boxer as his fights with Mecer and Holyfield later proved.

He would have had ample time to train for the fight, there is no way that Mikes team back then would let Mike take a fighter like Holmes on short notice, they would have realised Holmes still had something and would have trained apropriately.

All that short notice stuff is bullshiit propoganda from Holmes, deep down Larry knows Mike was something special, it would be good to put Larry on a lie detector and ask him if he would have beaten Mike in his own prime, I dont think hed be too sure, for all his talk Mike smashed him through the canvas and tore in to him and he knows he still had some fight in him to try and hold Mike off but it was nowhere near enough.

Holmes Uds Tyson.

Holmes Sds Frazier.

Im talking 1987 Tyson and 1971 Frazier.

I think that a prime Joe Frazier (Ali I) beats Larry Holmes but I think that a Prime Larry Holmes stops Tyson. The accumulation of Holmes' very good punches would break Tysons heart and eventually drop him and Tyson didn't like getting up off the deck but even if he did Larry would stop him soon after IMO.

I always thought Holmes was as good as Ali mk 2.

Holmes would have his way with the same fighters as Ali did. They were almost identical as in Ali and Holmes would beat Foreman, Foreman would always beat Norton and Frazier but Frazier and Norton would trouble both Ali and Holmes.

You kind of see it in the way the both beat Shavers but struggled with Norton. And style wise Holmes vs Frazier would be an epic just as his fights with Ali were.