Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I just can't vote between the two of 'em.
Here's why...depending on what style you like...you just can't split 'em apple to apple.
Juan Manuel Marquez. JMM is supreme as a counter puncher. He's a smooth tapestry weaver through & through that has just begun to stand his ground for the fan's sake...which I truely believe is a gotdam mistake. Let his brother do that shit. Juan has shown his metal by defeating the HOF'er Marco Antonio Barrera, getting robbed against Chris John in Indo, drawing after 3 drops with Pacquiao, & outboxing the majority of all comers...quite impressively. The man's underratted, IWO, which brings me to:
Rafael Marqeuz. Heavy handed, explosive, skilled, & in the end...something of a fan favorite. Not exactly my cup of tea, as I favor the smoothness of the other bruvah from the same muvah, but I have always dug on the gent period.
Both are great in their own rights...so it's hard to pick one who is superior. If you could mix & mash 'em up...then you'd have the perfect boxer.
Interesting that you would say that, it's pretty much spot on but I think Raphael has the better defense. And you would think with Marquez being the more counter punching type, that would be more his forte. But he has one of the more underrated defenses in the game mo.
I like both, actually scratch that, I really like Rafa and I respect JMM. Think they will both be a force for years to come though, wouldn't be surprised to see JMM have 5 more solid years even at a lower weight division.
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I just can't vote between the two of 'em.
Here's why...depending on what style you like...you just can't split 'em apple to apple.
Juan Manuel Marquez. JMM is supreme as a counter puncher. He's a smooth tapestry weaver through & through that has just begun to stand his ground for the fan's sake...which I truely believe is a gotdam mistake. Let his brother do that S***. Juan has shown his metal by defeating the HOF'er Marco Antonio Barrera, getting robbed against Chris John in Indo, drawing after 3 drops with Pacquiao, & outboxing the majority of all comers...quite impressively. The man's underratted, IWO, which brings me to:
Rafael Marqeuz. Heavy handed, explosive, skilled, & in the end...something of a fan favorite. Not exactly my cup of tea, as I favor the smoothness of the other bruvah from the same muvah, but I have always dug on the gent period.
Both are great in their own rights...so it's hard to pick one who is superior. If you could mix & mash 'em up...then you'd have the perfect boxer.
Interesting that you would say that, it's pretty much spot on but I think Raphael has the better defense. And you would think with Marquez being the more counter punching type, that would be more his forte. But he has one of the more underrated defenses in the game mo.
I like both, actually scratch that, I really like Rafa and I respect JMM. Think they will both be a force for years to come though, wouldn't be surprised to see JMM have 5 more solid years even at a lower weight division.
Hope this doesn't sound smart assed...but you gotta be shittin me...on the defense deal.
You really think Raf has the better defense?
Not me. Maybe it's that he takes more risks...but he get's cracked a hell of a lot more than Marquez.
Not lately...but overall.
In the end...I really think that Juan's new desire to impress his fans is gonna be his downfall.
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
I think Rafael is more superior. Has consistently fought & dominated top rated guys.
I think Juan is a better technician but power like Rafaels can make up for a lot!!!
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
No offense taken, knew it would draw that type of reaction.
But I really do, Rafa doesn't get hit cleanly half as much as people think he does. Before the Vazquez bout, the only time I saw him in any real trouble was I think the third or second round against Tim Austin. And he's been in with some clean punchers like Too Sharp, Vargas and Mabuza. The first Mabuza go round was exciting at the time, but watching it again, Mabuza never really landed clean.
Honestly, haven't seen to much of Pre-Pacquiao JMM, but even if it was a shaky decision, John landed with regularity. So did Barrera. Of course those are two top notch boxers, especially Barrera but no one has landed with absolute regularity on Rafa.
Maybe JMM has a better defense, but Rafa's is underrated severely.
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
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Originally Posted by amat
No offense taken, knew it would draw that type of reaction.
But I really do, Rafa doesn't get hit cleanly half as much as people think he does. Before the Vazquez bout, the only time I saw him in any real trouble was I think the third or second round against Tim Austin. And he's been in with some clean punchers like Too Sharp, Vargas and Mabuza. The first Mabuza go round was exciting at the time, but watching it again, Mabuza never really landed clean.
Honestly, haven't seen to much of Pre-Pacquiao JMM, but even if it was a shaky decision, John landed with regularity. So did Barrera. Of course those are two top notch boxers, especially Barrera but no one has landed with absolute regularity on Rafa.
Maybe JMM has a better defense, but Rafa's is underrated severely.
The reason that I asked so shockingly is due to the fact that I have seen Juan slip a lot of shit that has knocked Rafael out. The fact that Juan has never been stopped also clicks with me, the most.
You couple that with the two of the three knockouts that I have seen Rafael suffer from…you see where I am coming from?
See…I was shocked as shit when Rafael got sparked out by Garcia (whom I do not rate at all) but I was even more shocked when I saw him struggle with some of the other fellars that he was pitted against.
Not that Juan hasn’t had troubles. He has…& I have been just as shocked with some of his…trials & tribs…but seeing him dropped & then getting up & mustering a stoppage when he aint really a show stopper like Rafael is what impresses me the most.
That, & again, the fact that Juan has never been stopped…I say that he’s the slicker man with the better defense.
Again…not to sound like I’m thumbing my nose…but you need to see more of his matches.
But I do see what you like about Raf…so I can lean in either direction. The Marquez bros have the goods…no doubt.
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
Those KO's happened a long time ago though. The only one that has any sort of real relevance is the one against Garcia. And that was his first televised fight I believe, and Garcia was the more experienced guy and a fairly slippery puncher. That was 6 years ago though, Marquez didn't really come into his own until that upset over Too Sharp. And maybe even after that.
Marquez is a counter puncher but he does take some to give some. Not to a great extent but he does. He's never been KO'd but he's been dropped plenty more then Rafa recently. Against better competiton but still...
Different types of defense, Rafa is a lot more cagey and uses his arms more while JMM is more slippery. But I do have to see more JMM. I've heard before that Naz ducked JMM but I haven't seen anything before 2003 against Smoke. The only exciting Gainer fight I've ever seen.
Re: WHICH MARQUEZ IS SUPERIOR?
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Originally Posted by amat
Those KO's happened a long time ago though. The only one that has any sort of real relevance is the one against Garcia. And that was his first televised fight I believe, and Garcia was the more experienced guy and a fairly slippery puncher. That was 6 years ago though, Marquez didn't really come into his own until that upset over Too Sharp. And maybe even after that.
Marquez is a counter puncher but he does take some to give some. Not to a great extent but he does. He's never been KO'd but he's been dropped plenty more then Rafa recently. Against better competiton but still...
Different types of defense, Rafa is a lot more cagey and uses his arms more while JMM is more slippery. But I do have to see more JMM. I've heard before that Naz ducked JMM but I haven't seen anything before 2003 against Smoke. The only exciting Gainer fight I've ever seen.
:coolclick: Tip top.
Totally dug on the Gainer fight myself.
You really REALLY should see the Peden fight. Juan smoked his ass like a stoggie.
Re: Rafeal Marquez or JMM
Re: Rafeal Marquez or JMM
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8)Juan is the best by far wake up over there! ;D Thought Id start off with a bang guys!
8) So how the heack are ya Saddo?
8) Get ready to see Ricky Hatton get beat down on the 23d ;D
8) Good luck to Hatton though but he will not win that night! ! ! 8)
GOD DAMN HELL YEA!!
RIck my brotha how the hell are you?
where have you been?
Good to see you back bro!
Re: Rafeal Marquez or JMM
Right now I love Rafael,at least is more fun to watch than his brother,but JMM has more exp,is more seasoned and the records speak for itself,he gave PAC hell,and won against MAB so what more do you want??? :)
Re: Rafeal Marquez or JMM
8) MAD_DOG WHAT UP? IM TRAINING YOUNGSTERS RIGHT NOW ENJOYING LIFE A LITTLE DOING WHAT I LIKE TO DO. GREAT TO HEAR FROM YA CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 23D AND I'LL BE THERE! 8)
