Which current active fighter has a more sound legacy than PBF?

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

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Originally Posted by ross

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesnt have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.

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So just who did Floyd beat that makes him a better case for p4p than, say, Hatton.

Ricky fought a legend and the "man" for the legitimate light welter title, then unified, then moved up a weight straight in to another title fight and wan then went back down a weight and beat yet another title holder, thats 4 reigning world champs in his last 4 fights, who has Floyd fought in his last 4 fights ?

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He is p4p over Hatton because ...
Speed-PBF
Stamina-PBF
Strength-Hatton
Ring awareness-PBF
Defense-PBF
Experience-PBF
I could go on all day.

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...and on and on and on and on.....

I don't know why this guy keeps coming up in every thread I seem to reply to lately ??? but...James Toney...

Also MAB,,Holyfield,,B-Hop,,

Jones
Holyfield
Morales
Barrera

That's it

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Did you honestly think Rachmen could beat Lewis? Do you think many people gave Big George a chance against Joe Fraiser 1st time? Do think anyone thought Rocky could beat Drago? thats the nature of the game an thats why I love it ;D

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So your opinion on Floyd is based on Lewis being unfocused that night? Because Lewis had a bad night, Floyd might too?
You know you got a weak argument when your points are based on "what if Floyd has a bad night".
Personally, I don't think Floyd needs to fight either Hatton or Margarito. Beating either of them will do nothing for his legacy. Hatton has troubles against slick fighters. Floyd easily beats slow cumbersome fighters. I don't even see this fight being close.
As for Margarito, people want him to be better than he actually is. It'd be a good story if this guy who never gets his chance finally gets his chance in the ring and beats the top dog. He's nothing but a countering stick. Even if Floyd beats 8 men with his arms tied behind his back his most ardent detractor will always say, "But he didn't fight Margarito!".
It'd be awesome for Hatton or Margarito's careers to fight someone like Floyd. But Floyd doesn't need those guys.

If After Floyd beats Oscar, I'd like to see him fight Mosley and depending on where Cotto's career is at during that point, maybe a Cotto fight.
Mosley poses the greatest danger to Floyd because of his speed and output.
If Cotto stays as busy as he appears he will be, he could be a legitimate contender after those two fights.
After those two (maybe Cotto for the third), I don't see how you can keep him off the alltime list.
Don't throw Hatton and tony's names in there. Tony has done nothing to deserve a Floyd fight. And if Hatton is saying he wants to stay at 140 for now, what does that say about his desire to fight Floyd.

It's not Floyd's fault he hasn't been in a great fight. It's not Floyd's job to make a close fight. Why would he be stupid enough to do that.

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Originally Posted by meowza

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Did you honestly think Rachmen could beat Lewis? Do you think many people gave Big George a chance against Joe Fraiser 1st time? Do think anyone thought Rocky could beat Drago? thats the nature of the game an thats why I love it ;D

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So your opinion on Floyd is based on Lewis being unfocused that night? Because Lewis had a bad night, Floyd might too?
You know you got a weak argument when your points are based on "what if Floyd has a bad night".
Personally, I don't think Floyd needs to fight either Hatton or Margarito. Beating either of them will do nothing for his legacy. Hatton has troubles against slick fighters. Floyd easily beats slow cumbersome fighters. I don't even see this fight being close.
As for Margarito, people want him to be better than he actually is. It'd be a good story if this guy who never gets his chance finally gets his chance in the ring and beats the top dog. He's nothing but a countering stick. Even if Floyd beats 8 men with his arms tied behind his back his most ardent detractor will always say, "But he didn't fight Margarito!".
It'd be awesome for Hatton or Margarito's careers to fight someone like Floyd. But Floyd doesn't need those guys.

If After Floyd beats Oscar, I'd like to see him fight Mosley and depending on where Cotto's career is at during that point, maybe a Cotto fight.
Mosley poses the greatest danger to Floyd because of his speed and output.
If Cotto stays as busy as he appears he will be, he could be a legitimate contender after those two fights.
After those two (maybe Cotto for the third), I don't see how you can keep him off the alltime list.
Don't throw Hatton and tony's names in there. Tony has done nothing to deserve a Floyd fight. And if Hatton is saying he wants to stay at 140 for now, what does that say about his desire to fight Floyd.

It's not Floyd's fault he hasn't been in a great fight. It's not Floyd's job to make a close fight. Why would he be stupid enough to do that.

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I agree 100%...even though the Hatton fight will more than likely happen.

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

RJJ
B-Hop
ODLH
MAB
SSM
Holyfield

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I agree with those totally.

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Yep hard to look past these guys for me :)

James Toney has a pretty good legacy, not a great one. But really if Floyd wins in May impressively that means alot to his legacy and retiring now would be dumb. If he beats Oscar he should fight Mosley and then Wright and try to rack up the fights vs. the cream of the crop.

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Originally Posted by chamiley

I believe if Floyd retires after delahoya fight win lose or draw his legacy will not be that profound to be considered in the top ten greatest of all time, he definetly has potential to be on that list but would have to fight for a little longer and more quality opponents.

I think fighters like bernard hopkins, roy jones, Barrera, and oscar(if he wins the PBF fight) have a more sound legacy than floyd

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DLH
Mosley
Winky
Pac
Barrera
E. Morales
Evan Fields (LOL)
J. Toney

Legacy = Taking Risks Win or Lose

Floyd is a very good fighter but how do we really know how good unless he takes on other great fighters. DLH is a good start but if he retires after that fight, he has no legacy in my book. DLH is not what he used to be although he is still very dangerous.

I've never understood why people think Floyd is ducking fighters ???

To my mind the only time you could conceivably say he took an easy fight was against Baldomir but he had the Ring belt and was the undisputed welterweight champion so it made sense to fight him.

If you guys would have actually bothered to watch Floyd's career you would know that since even before he moved upto lightweight to face Castillo the one fighter on his mind has been Oscar De La Hoya.

Watch his fights with Sosa, Ndou, Chavez, etc at the end of every fight he's calling out De La Hoya.

He knows that amongst the lower weight classes nobody has achieved as much, and has as big a fan base as the Golden Boy and his whole career has been a quest to get Oscar in the ring.

It's funny watching his fights from 4 or 5 years ago and Merchant and Lampley discuss him wanting to fight De La Hoya with Merchant saying that Floyd has about as much chance of beating Oscar as a flyweight world champ would have of beating Floyd.

Floyd has raced through the divisions in the past couple years to get his big shot with Oscar. So he didn't stop to clean out some of the trash along the way, so what?

Once he's beaten Oscar he's effectively proven he would have beaten all those other 'flavour of the month' guys too.

He will beat Oscar, and then look for his legacy defining fights with Mosely and Cotto no doubt being the two biggest targets.

But to say he's scared of fighting people is just stupid, he's not scared, he's just been focused on a particluar goal, becoming a 5 weight world champ and beating Oscar De La Hoya, the most popular fighter of modern times.

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Originally Posted by Majesty

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Originally Posted by Smashup

I know we've been here before but RJJ imo is not as highly thought of in the UK as some of you may think.
He ducked all our top UK boys year in year out and they were the elite at that time ;)
Think about it ::**

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Why didnt your boxers fight James Toney? James called out Benn and Eubank on nationwide telivision on a show in the UK did he not? ;)

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Remember it well mate ;)
He then went on to price himself out of fights with both of them ;)

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Originally Posted by meowza

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Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Did you honestly think Rachmen could beat Lewis? Do you think many people gave Big George a chance against Joe Fraiser 1st time? Do think anyone thought Rocky could beat Drago? thats the nature of the game an thats why I love it ;D

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So your opinion on Floyd is based on Lewis being unfocused that night? Because Lewis had a bad night, Floyd might too?
You know you got a weak argument when your points are based on "what if Floyd has a bad night".
Personally, I don't think Floyd needs to fight either Hatton or Margarito. Beating either of them will do nothing for his legacy. Hatton has troubles against slick fighters. Floyd easily beats slow cumbersome fighters. I don't even see this fight being close.
As for Margarito, people want him to be better than he actually is. It'd be a good story if this guy who never gets his chance finally gets his chance in the ring and beats the top dog. He's nothing but a countering stick. Even if Floyd beats 8 men with his arms tied behind his back his most ardent detractor will always say, "But he didn't fight Margarito!".
It'd be awesome for Hatton or Margarito's careers to fight someone like Floyd. But Floyd doesn't need those guys.

If After Floyd beats Oscar, I'd like to see him fight Mosley and depending on where Cotto's career is at during that point, maybe a Cotto fight.
Mosley poses the greatest danger to Floyd because of his speed and output.
If Cotto stays as busy as he appears he will be, he could be a legitimate contender after those two fights.
After those two (maybe Cotto for the third), I don't see how you can keep him off the alltime list.
Don't throw Hatton and tony's names in there. Tony has done nothing to deserve a Floyd fight. And if Hatton is saying he wants to stay at 140 for now, what does that say about his desire to fight Floyd.

It's not Floyd's fault he hasn't been in a great fight. It's not Floyd's job to make a close fight. Why would he be stupid enough to do that.

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WTF are you on? How did you think Lewis been unfocused has any bearing on my opioin of Floyd. I like Floyd as a boxer, what I was saying is he's NOT invicable like all you groupies think he is no one is FACT. If you would have read all my posts I was saying I would like to see him in more fights he's only 28 or something, how can he retire saying he's best ever when he's young an there's al ot of competative fights left or at least interesting fights, which by the way I said he would win IMO. I like boxing an I wanna see him fight more, I'm not slagging him..

An whats all this about people not deserving to get a fight with him? It's BS thats his job you saying he can turn round and say I am not fighting him he's a nobody I'm not fighting him.... In effect that is ducking.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I've never understood why people think Floyd is ducking fighters ???

To my mind the only time you could conceivably say he took an easy fight was against Baldomir but he had the Ring belt and was the undisputed welterweight champion so it made sense to fight him.

If you guys would have actually bothered to watch Floyd's career you would know that since even before he moved upto lightweight to face Castillo the one fighter on his mind has been Oscar De La Hoya.

Watch his fights with Sosa, Ndou, Chavez, etc at the end of every fight he's calling out De La Hoya.

He knows that amongst the lower weight classes nobody has achieved as much, and has as big a fan base as the Golden Boy and his whole career has been a quest to get Oscar in the ring.

It's funny watching his fights from 4 or 5 years ago and Merchant and Lampley discuss him wanting to fight De La Hoya with Merchant saying that Floyd has about as much chance of beating Oscar as a flyweight world champ would have of beating Floyd.

Floyd has raced through the divisions in the past couple years to get his big shot with Oscar. So he didn't stop to clean out some of the trash along the way, so what?

Once he's beaten Oscar he's effectively proven he would have beaten all those other 'flavour of the month' guys too.

He will beat Oscar, and then look for his legacy defining fights with Mosely and Cotto no doubt being the two biggest targets.

But to say he's scared of fighting people is just stupid, he's not scared, he's just been focused on a particluar goal, becoming a 5 weight world champ and beating Oscar De La Hoya, the most popular fighter of modern times.

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You don't really believe that Baldo is the only hand picked fight he's had so cut that out. Of course he's been calling out DLH. So has everyone else within 2 or 3 weight clasees of the Golden Boy. Money!!!! Plain & Simple.

You could actually make a case of DLH doing the same thing and not fightting some guys until after they were exposed or softened up or both but, he did take some serious challenges later on when his legacy was being questioned.

Meanwhile, Floyd is trying to crawl under a rock after collecting a major paycheck against a guy who has had 1 fight in the last 3 years and is no spring chicken anymore. He doesn't want to prove anything to his fans that are backing him so strongly. He'd rather walk away with his money and leave many unanswered questions.

That's an interesting legacy. Leaving the sport once the going gets tough.

Fact...Mosley just doesnt have that big of an appeal and pull within the boxing world to make a fight with Floyd happen right now.He needs at least another impressive win because ONE good fight doesnt warrant a shot at Floyd.What really gets me...is that people seem to think that if Floyd doesnt fight Cotto,Margo,Williams,and who ever else calls him out defines his legacy!Who has Cotto really beaten?Who has Margo beaten?Leave while there are unanswered questions...wtf...I dont understand how you think that cotto with 27 fights under his belt can beat Floyd.

Floyd fighting Oscar is pretty much riskier than fighting both Hatton and Margarito altogether.
Oscar could easily defeat both this guys even at this point of his career. If Floyd gets past Oscar and i think he will, it'll add more glitter to his record more than a win against Ricky or Antonio.
And i agree that Floyd doesn't need to fight either Ricky or Antonio (Ricky a good fighter but not great, Antonio not that good of a fighter.), he should go fight greater fighters like Shane or Winky.

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Originally Posted by brazilianbomber

This man dominated a decade (90's) he will have a greater legacy. Oscar has to many questionable decisions.

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I never quite understand these questionable decisions Oscar has had in his favor, Quartey was a close fight against a good opponent and if Oscar had lost people would be crying foul over that one. He was blatantly robbed against Trinidad in what has to be the worst decision of the 90's and certainly in the top ten worst decisions ever. I thought he won the second Mosley fight and yet the judges have him losing UD, he lost the first fight no question and yet that one is split.
Overall in my mind he has only lost two fights!
As for PBF, his legacy will be set if he unifies the Welterweight crown.