Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
here is official punch stats
Barrera Marquez
landed 262 landed 255
thrown 737 thrown 663
pct 36 pct 38
And when you factor in the power punch stats, I don't see how you could have MAB winning if you wnat to go off punch stats. People keep saying "MAB threw and landed more!". He landed about 7 more punches over the course of 12 rounds. I believe compubox had Marquez landing something like 40 more power punches.
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
here is official punch stats
Barrera Marquez
landed 262 landed 255
thrown 737 thrown 663
pct 36 pct 38
And when you factor in the power punch stats, I don't see how you could have MAB winning if you wnat to go off punch stats. People keep saying "MAB threw and landed more!". He landed about 7 more punches over the course of 12 rounds. I believe compubox had Marquez landing something like 40 more power punches.
i didnt have barrera winning i had it draw and 40 more power punches are mis leading and you know why ?? because marquez had two massive rounds in 7th he battered barrera and must of outlanded barrera by close to 30 power punches in that round then in another round he outlanded barrera by 10 power punches thats why thats misleading stat
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
So what about rounds where most of MAB's landed punches were grazing jabs? Is that misleading?
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by Terp
So what about rounds where most of MAB's landed punches were grazing jabs? Is that misleading?
in most of the early rounds both men were only jabbing and sometimes landing left hook or right hand not many times and im not basing it off punchstats but what the punchstats do prove is that it was competitive and marquez didnt win by wide margin that judges had it and what you had it either
and barrera did outjab marquez thats not misleading stat
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Some judges will go on who forces the pace others on stats and others on telling shots 8)
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Saddo
I'm guessing that the angle Nady was stood at it must have looked like Marquez throw the shot and went over because barrera dodged it and missed the shot....
but Nady did get ahold of Barrera's arm before he threw the shot but Barrera must have thought F*** it and threw the shot anyways
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...arreraVs-7.jpg
cant really blame Nady for taking the point off but i do think there should be an outside system in place for when the refs do miss stuff like this :-\
i blame Nady for not calling anything at all.. that made mab want to punch jmm since there was no knockdown called and nady was no where to be found...
Thats still no excuse to hit someone when they are down, it was clear MAB was getting a bit frustrated as I said he knew what he was doing when he threw that punch and this is what he said in the post press conference and I quote....
"When I see blood I go for it. If Jay Nady was doing his job and stopped me once the knockdown occurred then I wouldn't have had the chance to hit (Marquez) when he was down."
This isn't ultimate fighting when a mans down a mans down you step back OR continue to throw but be prepared for the consecunses....
Yes, Nady missed the knockdown which was crucial FOR THAT ROUND, but that doens't justify what MAB did....
If RJJ was DQ'd for what he did MAB was very fortunate to walk away with a 1 point deduction ONLY.....
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
very close fight alot of close rounds i had it even draw what were judges looking at i know what you guys are on about now bloody stupid judges id say barrera deserves rematch but great fight really enjoyed it overall and i think draw would of been fair
and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown i would of gave fight to him
and i think they should use instant replays in boxing to determine if it is knockdown or not i think it would be better for sport
Well I saw it different, I think they traded rounds in the beiginign going 1 and 1 for most of the rounds if you notice JMM used better combinations, harder punches and he was the one that pressed forawrd look at whos going backwards and whos going forawrds also if you notice for the most part of a round JMM is more active and is pressing forward with combinations while MAB always tried to steal the rounds by wining the last 20 to 30 seconds of the rounds.
The way I see it is like this right now the fight is still fresh and the contreversy of the knockdown not ruled and the contrversy of MAB hitting JMM while he was down is still fresh.... But once the dust settles watch the fight again as I said pay attention to JMM activity vs. MABs see whs pressing forawrd and landing combiantions look at how MAB always gets busy to the end of the round while JMM is busy threw out, MAB looked tired out for a couple of rounds and look at how many rounds JMM looked tired, none he was consistent throughout.....
All in all good scrap but I still saw a clear win for JMM now that 'I've seen the fight sober but my head is still spining.... :throwup:
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Saddo
I'm guessing that the angle Nady was stood at it must have looked like Marquez throw the shot and went over because barrera dodged it and missed the shot....
but Nady did get ahold of Barrera's arm before he threw the shot but Barrera must have thought F*** it and threw the shot anyways
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...arreraVs-7.jpg
cant really blame Nady for taking the point off but i do think there should be an outside system in place for when the refs do miss stuff like this :-\
i blame Nady for not calling anything at all.. that made mab want to punch jmm since there was no knockdown called and nady was no where to be found...
Thats still no excuse to hit someone when they are down, it was clear MAB was getting a bit frustrated as I said he knew what he was doing when he threw that punch and this is what he said in the post press conference and I quote....
"When I see blood I go for it. If Jay Nady was doing his job and stopped me once the knockdown occurred then I wouldn't have had the chance to hit (Marquez) when he was down."
This isn't ultimate fighting when a mans down a mans down you step back OR continue to throw but be prepared for the consecunses....
Yes, Nady missed the knockdown which was crucial FOR THAT ROUND, but that doens't justify what MAB did....
If RJJ was DQ'd for what he did MAB was very fortunate to walk away with a 1 point deduction ONLY.....
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
very close fight alot of close rounds i had it even draw what were judges looking at i know what you guys are on about now bloody stupid judges id say barrera deserves rematch but great fight really enjoyed it overall and i think draw would of been fair
and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown i would of gave fight to him
and i think they should use instant replays in boxing to determine if it is knockdown or not i think it would be better for sport
Well I saw it different, I think they traded rounds in the beiginign going 1 and 1 for most of the rounds if you notice JMM used better combinations, harder punches and he was the one that pressed forawrd look at whos going backwards and whos going forawrds also if you notice for the most part of a round JMM is more active and is pressing forward with combinations while MAB always tried to steal the rounds by wining the last 20 to 30 seconds of the rounds.
The way I see it is like this right now the fight is still fresh and the contreversy of the knockdown not ruled and the contrversy of MAB hitting JMM while he was down is still fresh.... But once the dust settles watch the fight again as I said pay attention to JMM activity vs. MABs see whs pressing forawrd and landing combiantions look at how MAB always gets busy to the end of the round while JMM is busy threw out, MAB looked tired out for a couple of rounds and look at how many rounds JMM looked tired, none he was consistent throughout.....
All in all good scrap but I still saw a clear win for JMM now that 'I've seen the fight sober but my head is still spining.... :throwup:
when you say clear win do you mean by 2 rounds because i have no problem with that but i have problem with judges scores and terp scoring it 117-110
i will watch it again tommorow but i saw alot of close rounds which could of gone either way
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Saddo
I'm guessing that the angle Nady was stood at it must have looked like Marquez throw the shot and went over because barrera dodged it and missed the shot....
but Nady did get ahold of Barrera's arm before he threw the shot but Barrera must have thought F*** it and threw the shot anyways
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...arreraVs-7.jpg
cant really blame Nady for taking the point off but i do think there should be an outside system in place for when the refs do miss stuff like this :-\
i blame Nady for not calling anything at all.. that made mab want to punch jmm since there was no knockdown called and nady was no where to be found...
Thats still no excuse to hit someone when they are down, it was clear MAB was getting a bit frustrated as I said he knew what he was doing when he threw that punch and this is what he said in the post press conference and I quote....
"When I see blood I go for it. If Jay Nady was doing his job and stopped me once the knockdown occurred then I wouldn't have had the chance to hit (Marquez) when he was down."
This isn't ultimate fighting when a mans down a mans down you step back OR continue to throw but be prepared for the consecunses....
Yes, Nady missed the knockdown which was crucial FOR THAT ROUND, but that doens't justify what MAB did....
If RJJ was DQ'd for what he did MAB was very fortunate to walk away with a 1 point deduction ONLY.....
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
very close fight alot of close rounds i had it even draw what were judges looking at i know what you guys are on about now bloody stupid judges id say barrera deserves rematch but great fight really enjoyed it overall and i think draw would of been fair
and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown i would of gave fight to him
and i think they should use instant replays in boxing to determine if it is knockdown or not i think it would be better for sport
Well I saw it different, I think they traded rounds in the beiginign going 1 and 1 for most of the rounds if you notice JMM used better combinations, harder punches and he was the one that pressed forawrd look at whos going backwards and whos going forawrds also if you notice for the most part of a round JMM is more active and is pressing forward with combinations while MAB always tried to steal the rounds by wining the last 20 to 30 seconds of the rounds.
The way I see it is like this right now the fight is still fresh and the contreversy of the knockdown not ruled and the contrversy of MAB hitting JMM while he was down is still fresh.... But once the dust settles watch the fight again as I said pay attention to JMM activity vs. MABs see whs pressing forawrd and landing combiantions look at how MAB always gets busy to the end of the round while JMM is busy threw out, MAB looked tired out for a couple of rounds and look at how many rounds JMM looked tired, none he was consistent throughout.....
All in all good scrap but I still saw a clear win for JMM now that 'I've seen the fight sober but my head is still spining.... :throwup:
what was u drinking;)?
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
I wasnt bothered who won so im in a pretty good positon of just enjoying what was a great fight.
i feel sorry for the Barrera fans because of the scorecards but i have no complaints about the winner or Nady.
but i will add as i did last night that some sort of camera evidence should be in place for when the ref does miss stuff. to review when the round ends.
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by Saddo
I wasnt bothered who won so im in a pretty good positon of just enjoying what was a great fight.
i feel sorry for the Barrera fans because of the scorecards but i have no complaints about the winner or Nady.
but i will add as i did last night that some sort of camera evidence should be in place for when the ref does miss stuff. to review when the round ends.
time keepr was counting it - shame he wasn't to shout in to dipship and tell him it was legit:p
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year.......
The knockdown you know I think like Saddo, Nady was positioned in a bad angle and IMO, missed it as for the hitting while JMM weas dowbn I for a spluit second thaought MAB was gonna be disqualified as I saw Nabdy grab MABs arm then I reailesed he was gonna deduct a point only.... IMO I think like Saddo also that certainly Nady was there to try ans stopd MABs shot but MAB said F*** it I'll throw it anahyeas and see If I can get away with it.....
You know I won't let the contreversy spoil the fight for me (I also won't overlook it) but for tonight I'm feeliing really good with the happyu juice and I'll talk aboiut the political aspect of the fight maybe tomotrowoo dependignt on how I wake ip[l.... :)
i am CC'ing for being so fucking leatherd - damn u was hiting the sauce last night! i just had flash backs of being so drunk and trying to type, one eye closed to try and focus better and all that, hitting 7 keys at the same time
CC#204 Preme, damn!! I was drunk/pissed last night....
How the fuck was I able to type untill alsmot 4:00 in the morning????
I didn't even know I was up that late....
Yeah! man I was shit faced....... :-\
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
This isn't ultimate fighting when a mans down a mans down you step back OR continue to throw but be prepared for the consecunses....
Yes, Nady missed the knockdown which was crucial FOR THAT ROUND, but that doens't justify what MAB did....
If RJJ was DQ'd for what he did MAB was very fortunate to walk away with a 1 point deduction ONLY.....
What about when Pac hit Marquez when he was down ? 3rd knockdown ? Should he have been warned ? Nadys incompetance cost Barrera 4 points . Should have been 10-8 for him, turned out to be 10-8 against him
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
I think the actual scorecards where off and I font' agree with them but I DO THINK thiat JMM won the fight it was a great WAR!!! and certainly fight of the year.......
The knockdown you know I think like Saddo, Nady was positioned in a bad angle and IMO, missed it as for the hitting while JMM weas dowbn I for a spluit second thaought MAB was gonna be disqualified as I saw Nabdy grab MABs arm then I reailesed he was gonna deduct a point only.... IMO I think like Saddo also that certainly Nady was there to try ans stopd MABs shot but MAB said F*** it I'll throw it anahyeas and see If I can get away with it.....
You know I won't let the contreversy spoil the fight for me (I also won't overlook it) but for tonight I'm feeliing really good with the happyu juice and I'll talk aboiut the political aspect of the fight maybe tomotrowoo dependignt on how I wake ip[l.... :)
i am CC'ing for being so F****** leatherd - damn u was hiting the sauce last night! i just had flash backs of being so drunk and trying to type, one eye closed to try and focus better and all that, hitting 7 keys at the same time
CC#204 Preme, damn!! I was drunk/pissed last night....
How the F*** was I able to type untill alsmot 4:00 in the morning????
I didn't even know I was up that late....
Yeah! man I was S*** faced....... :-\
i had the sense not to have my comp on lol wales v england rugby yesterday so we were hitting the sauce pretty hard at my mates, then out for some lager to celebrate, then back home around to and back on the rum and coke untill almost half 4 when the match finished - then up at 11 for some poxy mothersday meal today, best cure for a hang over? keep drinking! ;D had to make a pit stop down the local shop for some more coke but raring to go again:p
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by Preme
what was u drinking;)?
I was drinking tequila.... 8)
Re: The 7th round "knockdown"
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
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Originally Posted by Preme
what was u drinking;)?
I was drinking tequila.... 8)
haha there used to be this middlaged guy we would see around my place going back for between pubs, always freaking pissed in the midde of the day - the lads would shout over "edward tell us a joke"
middle of the street man he would always say the same one "Why did the mexican push his wife of the cliff? TE-KILL-A and then break down laughing his ass off; guess it was one of them you had ot be there to see it type things, funny as hell at the time tho
