Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
Barrera threw and landed more ::**
Look at their faces at the end of the fight
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.
for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.
agreed
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
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No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.
for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up
Yeah Winky Wright can outpunch people with his jab let alone and just because they land more power punches on him doesn't mean they out punch him. Barerra's jab was key in the early rounds and its things Pernell Whitaker made a career out of.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
agreed but there not normally out by 7 rounds ..
no im not basing it on there face or ledermans scoring but im just saying its nothing to do with drama like you said in other thread it was close fight that could of gone either way i dont know how you had marquez up 7 rounds up even biggest marquez fans on here only had him winning by 1 round 2 at the most
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
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only rounds CLEARLY won by barerra imo were the first three. After that it goes either way between him and Marquez.
I gave Marquez at least one of the first 3. Maybe 2. There's no way MAB made a clean sweep of the first 3 rounds. He kept the exchanges to a minimum but he was getting the worst of the exchanges even then.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
So he couldnt floor Barrera and Barrera floored him . Barreras jab did all the facial damage . Marquez wasnt warned about his low blows . How can you justify that insane judging given that Barrera threw and landed more .
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
punchstats says different
No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.
for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up
Yeah Winky Wright can outpunch people with his jab let alone and just because they land more power punches on him doesn't mean they out punch him. Barerra's jab was key in the early rounds and its things Pernell Whitaker made a career out of.
Winky lands lots of jabs and takes few punches clean from his opponent. Winky lands the cleaner more effective punches. MAB didn't.
You're bringing up Wright and Whitaker as if they lost to JMM last night.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by Terp
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
So he couldnt floor Barrera and Barrera floored him . Barreras jab did all the facial damage . Marquez wasnt warned about his low blows . How can you justify that insane judging given that Barrera threw and landed more .
Because he won most of the rounds with clean effective punching. It's simple. It's boxing.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
I had it 117-110 Marquez. Every round was a war but Marquez consistently outpunched him in nearly every round. I give props to the judges for scoring the fight as it happened and not giving MAB sympathy rounds for putting up such a good fight.
I think people just want the cards to be closer to make the fight seem more dramatic. It's not necessary. It was a great fight.
And I thought Penalosa won 4 or 5 rounds.
punchstats says different
No they don't. Marquez landed something like 50 more power punches than MAB even tho MAB landed more punches overall. Outpunching someone doesn't mean landing more punches, it means landing the harder, cleaner punches, which Marquez did in 8 or 9 rounds.
for someone landing more powershots barreras face surely didnt look it marquez face looked like he had been hit with brick and if barrera would of been credited with knockdown he would of won fight on my card hbo had barrera up 1 if i remember right i dont know how you have marquez 7 points up
Yeah Winky Wright can outpunch people with his jab let alone and just because they land more power punches on him doesn't mean they out punch him. Barerra's jab was key in the early rounds and its things Pernell Whitaker made a career out of.
Winky lands lots of jabs and takes few punches clean from his opponent. Winky lands the cleaner more effective punches. MAB didn't.
You're bringing up Wright and Whitaker as if they lost to JMM last night.
them power punch stats can be mis leading remember that marquez had massive round 7 where he battered barrera and another massive round where he outlanded barrera by 10 power punches
how many power punches did he outland barrera overall
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
agreed but there not normally out by 7 rounds ..
no im not basing it on there face or ledermans scoring but im just saying its nothing to do with drama like you said in other thread it was close fight that could of gone either way i dont know how you had marquez up 7 rounds up even biggest marquez fans on here only had him winning by 1 round 2 at the most
What rounds did you give to MAB? I know you somehow gave him the first 3 so how did you score it 4-12?
I don't think most people actually score fights. They just keep track of KD's and expect the scores to be consistent with the "feel" of the fight. Sometimes there are fights like these where the action is always close and back-and-forth but one fighter has a consistent edge. This results in seemingly unfounded lop-sided scoring.
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
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Originally Posted by Terp
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Terp
So that's what your basing the fight being close on? Marquez's face and Lederman's scoring?
Barrera busted JMM up with the jab and the HBO crew is incompetent. JMM landed the harder cleaner punches through out the fight and the judges saw it.
agreed but there not normally out by 7 rounds ..
no im not basing it on there face or ledermans scoring but im just saying its nothing to do with drama like you said in other thread it was close fight that could of gone either way i dont know how you had marquez up 7 rounds up even biggest marquez fans on here only had him winning by 1 round 2 at the most
What rounds did you give to MAB? I know you somehow gave him the first 3 so how did you score it 4-12?
I don't think most people actually score fights. They just keep track of KD's and expect the scores to be consistent with the "feel" of the fight. Sometimes there are fights like these where the action is always close and back-and-forth but one fighter has a consistent edge. This results in seemingly unfounded lop-sided scoring.
4-12? Were there 16 rounds ???
Re: Barrera vs. Marquez - Disgrace!!!
I couldn't agree with you more Terp i saw the fight the same way yeah the rounds were pretty close but i saw Marquez pull the slight edge in those close round. that doesn't mean that the fight wasn't close but Marquez won most of the rounds which kinda justifies the scoring. There is no difference if you win 7 really close rounds or 7 shutout rounds you still won them right????
