Re: Why Do People Always Criticize Roy Jones Record
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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the guy beat James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin and bunch of other great fighters to the people who criticize Jones record tell me who else he could of fought at that time that was any greater than the names i just mentioned
Montell Griffin is not really a great fighter and neither is Woods. Jones was awesome in his middleweight/supermiddleweight days (when he did face good opposition) and I give him all the props in the world for beating Ruiz for a heavyweight title fraction. I have always liked Roy Jones Jr, but he has fought more bums, gas station attendents and garbagemen than any other hall of fame fighter ever has, man. He ran his career in a safe and businesslike way; getting paid for doing the least amount of work. He could have fought Tarver earlier in his career and maybe even closed the book on him so he never had to rematch him. He could have fought Darius Michaelzewski
or traveled to Wales to fight Calzaghe years ago. He could have given Toney a rematch at light heavy or Hopkins a rematch at super middle. He had all kinds of options but chose to take the easier fights and too many times, put more effort into his ring entrances/rap performances than he did into fighting worthy opposition. I love RJJ but it's true. You can't make a mark knocking out a garbage man, even if you fight him with your hands behind your back.
right i like you but i disagree on some parts here ill put it in bold
Montell Griffin was great at that time i mean he beat James Toney twice thats some achievement
why would p4p number 1 fighter travel to wales ?? thats big no no in my book if Calzaghe wants title of being p4p number 1 and beating great champion like Jones he has to come to him
i don't see why he would have to give Toney a rematch he already shut him out virtually winning almost every round
as i say again
James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin
thats pretty great list of fighters to beat
in last say 15 years who has beaten better opposition than Roy Jones ??
i don't think your find many
Gotta CC you here ICB... People can rag on Roy Jones all they want all day about how he didn't fight Eubank, Benn, Collins, or whoever.. But at the end of the day they are basically criticizing him for not travelling overseas where he would make far less money, and have a greater chance to get robbed should it go to the cards. It's silly as fukck. Roy Jones ducked Steve Collins??? THat's literally hilarious. Steve Collins who lost to Reggie Johnson in his prime... Roy ducked him, even though he never fought in the USA ONCE in his entire career, and lost to 2 opponents Roy Jones beat easily... What a farce. Jones JR would have made Collins loook like a completele amatuer. Anyone who can honestly hold something against Jones for not fighting this man is EXTREMELY biased, no matter what anyone else says. If for no other reason(such as his not beating anyone to deserve a shot), the guy had a style that was MADE for RJ jr. It's such a fukin joke, I tell you.
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My all time favorite fighter is Thomas Hearns , but since i was into boxing i think that Roy Jones is the best fighter ive seen and ive seen lots eg. Hagler / Leonard / chavez / Holmes / Ricardo Lopez / Kaoisai Galaxy etc. so Jones record is a really good 1 as far as im concerned .
He just went on a few years to many for me :)
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Originally Posted by p4pking
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
the guy beat James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin and bunch of other great fighters to the people who criticize Jones record tell me who else he could of fought at that time that was any greater than the names i just mentioned
Montell Griffin is not really a great fighter and neither is Woods. Jones was awesome in his middleweight/supermiddleweight days (when he did face good opposition) and I give him all the props in the world for beating Ruiz for a heavyweight title fraction. I have always liked Roy Jones Jr, but he has fought more bums, gas station attendents and garbagemen than any other hall of fame fighter ever has, man. He ran his career in a safe and businesslike way; getting paid for doing the least amount of work. He could have fought Tarver earlier in his career and maybe even closed the book on him so he never had to rematch him. He could have fought Darius Michaelzewski
or traveled to Wales to fight Calzaghe years ago. He could have given Toney a rematch at light heavy or Hopkins a rematch at super middle. He had all kinds of options but chose to take the easier fights and too many times, put more effort into his ring entrances/rap performances than he did into fighting worthy opposition. I love RJJ but it's true. You can't make a mark knocking out a garbage man, even if you fight him with your hands behind your back.
right i like you but i disagree on some parts here ill put it in bold
Montell Griffin was great at that time i mean he beat James Toney twice thats some achievement
why would p4p number 1 fighter travel to wales ?? thats big no no in my book if Calzaghe wants title of being p4p number 1 and beating great champion like Jones he has to come to him
i don't see why he would have to give Toney a rematch he already shut him out virtually winning almost every round
as i say again
James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin
thats pretty great list of fighters to beat
in last say 15 years who has beaten better opposition than Roy Jones ??
i don't think your find many
Gotta CC you here ICB... People can rag on Roy Jones all they want all day about how he didn't fight Eubank, Benn, Collins, or whoever.. But at the end of the day they are basically criticizing him for not travelling overseas where he would make far less money, and have a greater chance to get robbed should it go to the cards. It's silly as fukck. Roy Jones ducked Steve Collins??? THat's literally hilarious. Steve Collins who lost to Reggie Johnson in his prime... Roy ducked him,
even though he never fought in the USA ONCE in his entire career, and lost to 2 opponents Roy Jones beat easily... What a farce. Jones JR would have made Collins loook like a completele amatuer. Anyone who can honestly hold something against Jones for not fighting this man is EXTREMELY biased, no matter what anyone else says. If for no other reason(such as his not beating anyone to deserve a shot), the guy had a style that was MADE for RJ jr. It's such a fukin joke, I tell you.
Sorry, but this is so bad it's unbelievable. I suggest a visit to boxrec is in order at the very least.
Re: Why Do People Always Criticize Roy Jones Record
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by diamonddavestafford
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
the guy beat James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin and bunch of other great fighters to the people who criticize Jones record tell me who else he could of fought at that time that was any greater than the names i just mentioned
Montell Griffin is not really a great fighter and neither is Woods. Jones was awesome in his middleweight/supermiddleweight days (when he did face good opposition) and I give him all the props in the world for beating Ruiz for a heavyweight title fraction. I have always liked Roy Jones Jr, but he has fought more bums, gas station attendents and garbagemen than any other hall of fame fighter ever has, man. He ran his career in a safe and businesslike way; getting paid for doing the least amount of work. He could have fought Tarver earlier in his career and maybe even closed the book on him so he never had to rematch him. He could have fought Darius Michaelzewski
or traveled to Wales to fight Calzaghe years ago. He could have given Toney a rematch at light heavy or Hopkins a rematch at super middle. He had all kinds of options but chose to take the easier fights and too many times, put more effort into his ring entrances/rap performances than he did into fighting worthy opposition. I love RJJ but it's true. You can't make a mark knocking out a garbage man, even if you fight him with your hands behind your back.
right i like you but i disagree on some parts here ill put it in bold
Montell Griffin was great at that time i mean he beat James Toney twice thats some achievement
why would p4p number 1 fighter travel to wales ?? thats big no no in my book if Calzaghe wants title of being p4p number 1 and beating great champion like Jones he has to come to him
i don't see why he would have to give Toney a rematch he already shut him out virtually winning almost every round
as i say again
James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin
thats pretty great list of fighters to beat
in last say 15 years who has beaten better opposition than Roy Jones ??
i don't think your find many
Gotta CC you here ICB... People can rag on Roy Jones all they want all day about how he didn't fight Eubank, Benn, Collins, or whoever.. But at the end of the day they are basically criticizing him for not travelling overseas where he would make far less money, and have a greater chance to get robbed should it go to the cards. It's silly as fukck. Roy Jones ducked Steve Collins??? THat's literally hilarious. Steve Collins who lost to Reggie Johnson in his prime... Roy ducked him, even though he never fought in the USA ONCE in his entire career, and lost to 2 opponents Roy Jones beat easily... What a farce. Jones JR would have made Collins loook like a completele amatuer. Anyone who can honestly hold something against Jones for not fighting this man is EXTREMELY biased, no matter what anyone else says. If for no other reason(such as his not beating anyone to deserve a shot), the guy had a style that was MADE for RJ jr. It's such a fukin joke, I tell you.
:coolclick: back i really don't know why people are so harsh on Jones he has probably fought best opposition in last 15 years easily and for people who are so harsh on Jones i would like you to do one thing without sounding nasty just do bit of research on Hill Griffin ect and your find out they were great fighters
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Dariusz Michalczewski also beat Hill and Griffin, Jones could have fought him? Im sure the defence will contest that Jones shouldnt have to go over to Germany to fight him and that might be true, but that wasnt the question that was asked was it?
Incidently Virgil Hill went to Germany and Beat Maske, it can be done.
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Dariusz Michalczewski also beat Hill and Griffin, Jones could have fought him? Im sure the defence will contest that Jones shouldnt have to go over to Germany to fight him and that might be true, but that wasnt the question that was asked was it?
Incidently Virgil Hill went to Germany and Beat Maske, it can be done.
really and truthfully Memphis yes that could of be done but i don't see why p4p number 1 should go anywhere if they want to beat the man and be p4p number 1 they have to come to him in my book
and with all questionable decisions in germany like you and i know i wouldn't be too keen either ;)
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But mate that isnt the question you asked is it?
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But mate that isnt the question you asked is it?
yea fair play Memphis i did ask that but question i want to ask is was Dariusz Michalczewski willing to fight Jones in usa or did Jones have to come to germany and get robbed like most of fighters do when they go to germany i could name handful that have been done up like kipper thats why he wasn't to keen eh ;)
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Eubank went to Germany and outpointed Rocchigiani. ;)
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Benn done Galvano in Italy while we're at it.
Re: Why Do People Always Criticize Roy Jones Record
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
the guy beat James Toney Reggie Johnson Bernard Hopkins Clinton Woods Virgil Hill Montell Griffin and bunch of other great fighters to the people who criticize Jones record tell me who else he could of fought at that time that was any greater than the names i just mentioned
Don't get me wrong, I think RJJ would've beaten any of these guys, but he could've fought some of these names and didn't
McCallum (fought him eventually)
Eubank
Liles
Jackson
Barkley
Nunn
McClellan
Benn
Collins
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The problem is nobody wanted to fight Jones here in america. ALl these little names like Dariusz and even the guys from Brittain wtih bigger names would not come here, and expected Jones to fight in their weight class.
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Almost every fighters record gets criticized once they reach a certain level of succes.All fighters have somone they "could've" fought but didnt..it doesnt matter.
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I don't think oscar has ever been criticized. He has the highest level of opposition anyone has ever had.
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I don't think oscar has ever been criticized. He has the highest level of opposition anyone has ever had.
someone on here was dissing Oscar level of opposition aswell can't remember who but yes Oscar fought loads of greats but he didn't beat as many greats as Roy Jones
