Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by GP100
Just because Manny Pacquiao knocks you automatically makes you done ::**
We'll see what people will say when Morales beats Diaz.
It's not the fact that he got knocked out against Pacquiao. It's the fashion in which he lost both those fights. He lost them both after boxing fairly well then just fading. In the third fight he looked beat 2 rounds in. Is that really a fighter who is in fighting shape? And then at 135 he was made to look the fool by Zahir Raheem who is really just an average fighter at that division. He's lost 3 of his last 4 and he's tiring out quickly.
Now he's facing a fighter who only gets better as he goes along and at a weight not natural to him. He's only 30 years old but unless 135 lbs completely rejuvenates, which it didn't in the past, then I think it is fair to say that he's done.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by GP100
Just because Manny Pacquiao knocks you automatically makes you done ::**
We'll see what people will say when Morales beats Diaz.
It's not the fact that he got knocked out against Pacquiao. It's the fashion in which he lost both those fights. He lost them both after boxing fairly well then just fading. In the third fight he looked beat 2 rounds in. Is that really a fighter who is in fighting shape? And then at 135 he was made to look the fool by Zahir Raheem who is really just an average fighter at that division. He's lost 3 of his last 4 and he's tiring out quickly.
Now he's facing a fighter who only gets better as he goes along and at a weight not natural to him. He's only 30 years old but unless 135 lbs completely rejuvenates, which it didn't in the past, then I think it is fair to say that he's done.
Zahir Raheem would beat the crap out of David Diaz won't you agree?
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by GP100
Just because Manny Pacquiao knocks you automatically makes you done ::**
We'll see what people will say when Morales beats Diaz.
It's not the fact that he got knocked out against Pacquiao. It's the fashion in which he lost both those fights. He lost them both after boxing fairly well then just fading. In the third fight he looked beat 2 rounds in. Is that really a fighter who is in fighting shape? And then at 135 he was made to look the fool by Zahir Raheem who is really just an average fighter at that division. He's lost 3 of his last 4 and he's tiring out quickly.
Now he's facing a fighter who only gets better as he goes along and at a weight not natural to him. He's only 30 years old but unless 135 lbs completely rejuvenates, which it didn't in the past, then I think it is fair to say that he's done.
Zahir Raheem would beat the crap out of David Diaz won't you agree?
Maybe. Probably I don't know but that's completely irrelevant. I really don't get the point you're trying to make. Pacman beat the crap out of MAB and Morales beat him and still lost to MAB.
Listen, I'm not calling Diaz a world beater but if you don't see the risk in EM climbing in weight with stamina problems and a decreased workrate facing a guy with a good chin and who is steady throughout the whole fight then I don't know what to say.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by GP100
Just because Manny Pacquiao knocks you automatically makes you done ::**
We'll see what people will say when Morales beats Diaz.
???
Where did this comment come from?
Hes lost 4 out of his last 5 fights (3 in a row, 2 by stoppage)
He rested sooo long for PAC III, and got good conditiong took his time trained well and was beat inside of 3 rounds....
It's not about Pac it's about his career and how he fought throughout it.... Never missing a beat knew nothing else but to come forward and fire away....
Like I said even IF he beats Diaz then what?
Retire I hope.....
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by GP100
Just because Manny Pacquiao knocks you automatically makes you done ::**
We'll see what people will say when Morales beats Diaz.
It's not the fact that he got knocked out against Pacquiao. It's the fashion in which he lost both those fights. He lost them both after boxing fairly well then just fading. In the third fight he looked beat 2 rounds in. Is that really a fighter who is in fighting shape? And then at 135 he was made to look the fool by Zahir Raheem who is really just an average fighter at that division. He's lost 3 of his last 4 and he's tiring out quickly.
Now he's facing a fighter who only gets better as he goes along and at a weight not natural to him. He's only 30 years old but unless 135 lbs completely rejuvenates, which it didn't in the past, then I think it is fair to say that he's done.
Zahir Raheem would beat the crap out of David Diaz won't you agree?
Raheem been in obscurity and who knows I mean hes mad, frustrated at everything thats happened in his career....
So who knows, really....
Raheem was nothing more then a weight experiment for Morales, Zaheer won and thats great for him....
It's just too bad hes not smart enough to find new management.... :(
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK
Well, something I didn't wan't to happen looks like it's happening.... :(
Morales might face David Diaz on July 15th HBO has started working things out and Erik states "I will begin to train in April at my usual location"
http://www.fightnews.com/fightnews_2...uhlldXIdP.html
I'm not happy with this regardless of the outcome, IMO Erik needs to just let it go.....
Will see what happens.....
I kind of agree with you, Rob. But there is still a part of me that wants to see Morales go out with another great win under his belt. Warriors like Morales are few and far in between. Guys like him make me envy Mexican heraldry.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
It's not just the fact that Morales has lost 4 out of 5. There's no shame in losing once to Barrera and twice to Pacquiao, they're both great fighters.
It's the way Morales looked in the second half of the Pacquiao fight and the 3 rounds of the 3rd fight. His legs gave out on him.
If you watch the 3rd Pacquiao fight, Morales legs were wobbly even in the first round. His balance was awful, he was unsteady from the opening bell.
There are some things a fighter can fix, and there are some things can't be fixed. When a fighter's legs (and chin) give out, they don't ever come back.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
It's not just the fact that Morales has lost 4 out of 5. There's no shame in losing once to Barrera and twice to Pacquiao, they're both great fighters.
It's the way Morales looked in the second half of the Pacquiao fight and the 3 rounds of the 3rd fight. His legs gave out on him.
If you watch the 3rd Pacquiao fight, Morales legs were wobbly even in the first round. His balance was awful, he was unsteady from the opening bell.
There are some things a fighter can fix, and there are some things can't be fixed. When a fighter's legs (and chin) give out, they don't ever come back.
CC in 24. I agree totally. Some guys lose their legs at 30 some lose them at 40 it just so happens Morales lost them at 30. Gatti looked well enough in his bout with Baldomir. He was trading to the final bell but he just didn't have anything behind them, that's why he did that wierd ropes thing because he had no legs to support him or provide power.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
It's not just the fact that Morales has lost 4 out of 5. There's no shame in losing once to Barrera and twice to Pacquiao, they're both great fighters.
It's the way Morales looked in the second half of the Pacquiao fight and the 3 rounds of the 3rd fight. His legs gave out on him.
If you watch the 3rd Pacquiao fight, Morales legs were wobbly even in the first round. His balance was awful, he was unsteady from the opening bell.
There are some things a fighter can fix, and there are some things can't be fixed. When a fighter's legs (and chin) give out, they don't ever come back.
Well, I agree to certain degree, but look at Holyfield who was essentially thrown in the garbage after the Bowe bouts.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by The Shadow
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
It's not just the fact that Morales has lost 4 out of 5. There's no shame in losing once to Barrera and twice to Pacquiao, they're both great fighters.
It's the way Morales looked in the second half of the Pacquiao fight and the 3 rounds of the 3rd fight. His legs gave out on him.
If you watch the 3rd Pacquiao fight, Morales legs were wobbly even in the first round. His balance was awful, he was unsteady from the opening bell.
There are some things a fighter can fix, and there are some things can't be fixed. When a fighter's legs (and chin) give out, they don't ever come back.
Well, I agree to certain degree, but look at Holyfield who was essentially thrown in the garbage after the Bowe bouts.
That was due to hepatitis though. But I get what you mean he is only 30 and it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility for him to have a Holyfield like second wind.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
i'm with majesty and gp100 morales can win this fight.
yea casamayor is the champion in that division but his an old fighter too, if there was a pacman in that division casamayor wouldn't be champ he'd get retired or look shot if there was a pacman in that division.
morales fought and lost to the best in 130 twice, and he got some shots hard shots in before accepting defeat.
he lost to raheem whom is a better fighter then diaz. but if their was ever a unfocus shot morales it was in that fight.
pacman defeated a great morales, raheem beat a morales whom throughout his career lower his level to his oppenents level. if you really followed morales career you'd know how much he'd always lower his level down to his oppenent but gets up for huge fights like pacman. if morales would of had in mind he was going in to fight pac when he fought raheem, he would of knock out raheem.
its bullshyt to say morales has taken so much beating throughout his career, i read a few post back about if you follow his career you'd see that, nope its about morales mistake of lowering his level down to his oppenents level.
hopefully morales fights at his highest level no underestimating and he'd be fine for the rest of his career.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
its bullshyt to say morales has taken so much beating throughout his career, i read a few post back about if you follow his career you'd see that, nope its about morales mistake of lowering his level down to his oppenents level.
how is it BS? Morales has been in more wars than any other active fighter. If you don't think that Morales has absorbed a ton of punishment over the years, then I don't know what to tell you, because obviously you haven't been watching the fights.
He has been part of two of the most violent trilogies in the history of the sport. Just those 6 fights alone represent more punishment than most fighters take in their entire careers. And that's not even mentioning other tough fights he's been in, like against Injin Chi, Zaragosa (sp?), the first Espadas fight, etc.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
pacman defeated a great morales
The Morales in the first fight was a great Morales. The second one he aged quickly. He just wore out and then wore out even faster the third time.
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
pacman defeated a great morales
The Morales in the first fight was a great Morales. The second one he aged quickly. He just wore out and then wore out even faster the third time.
yea same old bullshyt, his great when he wins, but that was a very close fight with alot of muhammed bullshyt written all over it.
morales was great in the second and in the third, its so foolish when fans say a fighter isn't great when he loses a great fight. come on you have to admit those fight was exciting why? because both fighters where great. yes morales was great in the second he box well got caught huge in the second round but recovered and fought like the great fighter he is,then by the 6th round pac took over and just kept pounding on the legendary el terrible. the thing is that pacman was just much greater in the later rounds. and in the third yes morales was great in that fight too, he landed huge but the pacman just proved how much greater he keeps rapidly getting.
it took a great morales to win the close decision against pac in the first war, and it took a great morales to last 10 rounds with pac in the second fight, and it took a great morales to last the second round in the third fight with pacman. pac broke his iron chin and he knew pac wasn't the type to slow down so he accepted defeat, which is a wise decision. but is there a pacman in diaz? fwooooccckkkkk nooooooooo
Re: ~Erik Morales vs. David Diaz on July 15th~ NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Originally Posted by BoxingGod
it took a great morales to last the second round in the third fight with pacman.
Look at that quote. Please tell me you aren't serious. Sorry but a great Morales last way more then 3 rounds with Manny. Manny is really good but what you're saying is ridiculous. Just wanted to isolate that quote....
