Re: HATTON v MAYWEATHER Who Would Win.......
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Originally Posted by meowza
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
There was a time I thought this would be a good bout but....that was then and this was now...IMO Floyd has improved while Ricky has gone down hill with his hit and hold
Yup!
About a year and a half ago, I would've given my left arm to see this fight.
Now, I don't even see this one being close.
Ricky's fans are always quick to jump to his defense with,
"It's hard to look good against a guy like Urango! It's hard to look good against a guy like Collazo! It's hard to look good against awkward Maussa!"
And when Floyd goes out and looks good in his fights, all of a sudden he's fighting nobodies.
So basically, it's okay to look bad against good fighters, but it's not okay to look good against good fighters? Does not compute.
I like Ricky and I do respect him for what he does in the ring. He beat KT and I take nothing away from that. But when you read about him from his fans, you come to expect him to be this all-out bull who doesn't stop pressing his opponent.
He had one big win over KT, he ran over low level competition early in his career, and he grabs and holds his way to victory when he steps up. Is that accurate?
Where are his big explosive fights? I've seen about a dozen Ricky fights. Did I happen to coincidentally tune in to the 12 times he had an off night and all the other times I've missed him he's an intense bull?
Unfortunately I agree. Which is extremely disappointing because Hatton looked so damn good against Tszyu. Maybe he can have a revival against Castillo. Don't get me wrong, he looked damn good for 5 rounds. Never before had Hatton been in and out like he was in this fight. Typically the battle is just getting inside and maintaining control on the inside as was the case with Collazo. But he showed a whole nother dimension in the first 4 rounds. He was getting in and out landing combinations without being touched.
He looked to be reviving some talks for a Floyd fight but then he got hurt and started throwing one punch at a time. But I have a feeling he is going to look spectacular against Castillo. Let's say for arguments sake he looks exactly like he did against Tszyu. Here's then what I would think of the fight.
1. The fight has to be at 140. Floyd has said that he wants to dominate 3 weight divisions in 140, 147 and 154. He should make 140 fine and that's where the fight happens for Hatton to have a shot. Maybe even at a catch weight like 143 but 147 is straying to far for Hatton.
2. Hatton is as good at cutting off the ring as anybody in boxing is. If the two fought, no doubt would Hatton have plenty of opportunities to get Floyd on the ropes. And if he is active on the inside he can make then he could catch Floyd. Especially to the body. He's a fighter made for the inside. He throws very hooks, a lot of guys open up and fly their shoulder out when throwing the left hook leaving them open for the right hand. Hatton doesn't do that it's one of his biggest strengths and honestly, on the inside Hatton is hard to catch flush. When he's hit it's usually from the outside.
3. The problem is getting Floyd on the inside and keeping him there. Well, 1 way to do it is to work the body. Against Judah, Floyd gave up the body on the ropes. Judah didn't take it. Now no doubt he would change it up for Hatton but Hatton could still try. It's worth a shot. Maybe he could get lucky and Floyd crumbles under a sustained body attack. It requires a substantial amount of luck to beat Mayweather at this point, but if there is one thing we don't know about him it's how he reacts to a good body attack. Maybe he turns sluggish? Who knows but if anybody has the capability to find out it's Hatton in top form at 140 or Cotto.
Just a few thoughts. I really wish this fight happened somehow a year ago. Even though Hatton said he wanted 3 fights before facing Floyd, the Hatton that beat Tszyu would make for a hell of a fight imo. Busy fighter who cut off the ring beautifully and forced Tszyu to bang it out on the inside.
But I think Mayweather would win a rather unanimous decision. Hatton would have his moments though.
Re: HATTON v MAYWEATHER Who Would Win.......
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Originally Posted by amat
1. The fight has to be at 140. Floyd has said that he wants to dominate 3 weight divisions in 140, 147 and 154. He should make 140 fine and that's where the fight happens for Hatton to have a shot. Maybe even at a catch weight like 143 but 147 is straying to far for Hatton.
I seriously doubt this fight takes place below 147. Floyd isn't a big welterweight, but it's asking too much for him to drop a significant amount of weight past the age of 30. Even if he only weighs ~150 for the DLH fight, he'd still have to go down 10 pounds to get to 140, and that's a lot of weight for a small fighter to drop.
Also, Floyd has all the leverage. If he doesn't want to fight Hatton, there are lots of other big money fights for him at 147. Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, just to name a few.
On the other hand, if Hatton beats Castillo, his only options for a big big paycheck are at 147. There aren't any other huge names at 140.
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Well, Witter would be a big payday in the UK. 147 just doesn't work for Hatton. He's to damn short. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but if he's facing anyone other then Cotto at 147 his chances are greatly decreased imo. Not to say he beats Cotto but it's not really a fight where he would have to move his feet a bunch so he could be well served.
Or maybe just the short notice of the 147 fight did Hatton in versus Collazo. But he had weight issues no doubt.
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Originally Posted by amat
147 just doesn't work for Hatton. He's to damn short. Maybe I'll be proven wrong but if he's facing anyone other then Cotto at 147 his chances are greatly decreased imo. Not to say he beats Cotto but it's not really a fight where he would have to move his feet a bunch so he could be well served.
Really? I view it as just the opposite.
Against Mayweather, I don't think fighting at 147 is that much worse for Hatton than 140. If he loses to Mayweather, it's not because of Mayweather being bigger or stronger, it's going to be because Mayweather is so much faster. Mayweather is not that much taller than Hatton either, I think he's an inch taller.
Against Cotto, fighting at 147 would be a big disadvantage for Hatton, because Cotto is a big physical welterweight. And Hatton would have to show lots of movement against Cotto, otherwise Cotto would kill him to the body. Much like the Floyd situation, I don't see why Cotto would ever go back down below 147 to fight Hatton. Cotto has plenty of options, he doesn't need to drop down in weight, he could force Hatton to come up.
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There was a time when I thought that HugMan Hatton could beat Floyd if they ever met but the more time that passes and the more we see of Ricky and the more we see of Floyd Mayweather Jr., there is no doubt in my mind that Floyd out boxes Hatton. Had the fight taken place sooner I think Ricky would have gone in with some momentum. Ricky's popularity seems to have dropped since he came to the US. Fighting Castillo should be an interesting fight and if he wins, it should raise his stock a bit more. Is Oscar still fighting Ricky? Win, lose or draw against Mayweather? I thought I heard some say Oscar want's hatton. Is this true?
I was so looking forward to Hatton/Cotto :(
Too bad Hatton is not as good a Welter as he is a Junior.
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by amat
1. The fight has to be at 140. Floyd has said that he wants to dominate 3 weight divisions in 140, 147 and 154. He should make 140 fine and that's where the fight happens for Hatton to have a shot. Maybe even at a catch weight like 143 but 147 is straying to far for Hatton.
I seriously doubt this fight takes place below 147. Floyd isn't a big welterweight, but it's asking too much for him to drop a significant amount of weight past the age of 30. Even if he only weighs ~150 for the DLH fight, he'd still have to go down 10 pounds to get to 140, and that's a lot of weight for a small fighter to drop.
Also, Floyd has all the leverage. If he doesn't want to fight Hatton, there are lots of other big money fights for him at 147. Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, just to name a few.
On the other hand, if Hatton beats Castillo, his only options for a big big paycheck are at 147. There aren't any other huge names at 140.
Im sure iv read it somewhere that Floyd has "stated" he would like to move back down to 140... Boiling off 10 pounds should be nothing for Mayweather. He had to eat his way up to weigh 146 against Baldomir, its all surplus. :-\
That being said, he may condition himself diferently for the Oscar fight.
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been through this one so many times now.
at his best hatton beats mayweather at 140 or 147. would be all over him like a rash.
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Considering Mayweather couldn't break an egg with a punch how is he going to discourage Hatton so badly over the course of 12 rounds ?
He didn't beat Baldomir he just patted him , Hatton has faster feet better ring craft punches much harder than Baldomir and has a worse chin , how ?
Yea I guess Baldo's face was swollen and cut by the wind Floyd left while running around the ring? ::**
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
F****** hell Mayweather cant even dent Zab Judah and yet Hatton walks through Kostya Tszyus bombs and your saying he has a worse chin ?
Couldnt dent Judah either huh?? I guess it was Yoel Judah punching Zab in the nose and mouth blooding him up between rounds in his corner...
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Here's fun , try basing what you write about on fact .
Thats a novel thought Gordo... Try taking your own advice ;)
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Originally Posted by Jimboogie
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
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Originally Posted by amat
1. The fight has to be at 140. Floyd has said that he wants to dominate 3 weight divisions in 140, 147 and 154. He should make 140 fine and that's where the fight happens for Hatton to have a shot. Maybe even at a catch weight like 143 but 147 is straying to far for Hatton.
I seriously doubt this fight takes place below 147. Floyd isn't a big welterweight, but it's asking too much for him to drop a significant amount of weight past the age of 30. Even if he only weighs ~150 for the DLH fight, he'd still have to go down 10 pounds to get to 140, and that's a lot of weight for a small fighter to drop.
Also, Floyd has all the leverage. If he doesn't want to fight Hatton, there are lots of other big money fights for him at 147. Mosley, Cotto, Williams, Margarito, just to name a few.
On the other hand, if Hatton beats Castillo, his only options for a big big paycheck are at 147. There aren't any other huge names at 140.
Im sure iv read it somewhere that Floyd has "stated" he would like to move back down to 140... Boiling off 10 pounds should be nothing for Mayweather. He had to eat his way up to weigh 146 against Baldomir, its all surplus. :-\
That being said, he may condition himself diferently for the Oscar fight.
He said on Jim Rome that he wants to dominate 3 divisions, 140, 147 and 154. I don't think 140 is out of the question and I don't think Mayweather will have any problem moving to 140. Especially if he somehow loses to DLH.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Considering Mayweather couldn't break an egg with a punch how is he going to discourage Hatton so badly over the course of 12 rounds ?
He didn't beat Baldomir he just patted him , Hatton has faster feet better ring craft punches much harder than Baldomir and has a worse chin , how ?
Yea I guess Baldo's face was swollen and cut by the wind Floyd left while running around the ring? ::**
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
F****** hell Mayweather cant even dent Zab Judah and yet Hatton walks through Kostya Tszyus bombs and your saying he has a worse chin ?
Couldnt dent Judah either huh?? I guess it was Yoel Judah punching Zab in the nose and mouth blooding him up between rounds in his corner...
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Here's fun , try basing what you write about on fact .
Thats a novel thought Gordo... Try taking your own advice ;)
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Baldo's face cut and swollen ..........booooowhoooooooooo hahahhahahahahahah i saw Mayweather swotting away and doing fuck all!!!
So he gave Judah a fat lip over 12 rounds ?
Mayweather cant punch for shit .........i love the way you clutch at straws .
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I guess Gatti's face got like that from his extremely fast head movement huh?
Hatton can't beat Floyd at any weight...plain and simple.
He is to slow and to sloppy...and he climbs in the ring out of shape.
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Considering Mayweather couldn't break an egg with a punch how is he going to discourage Hatton so badly over the course of 12 rounds ?
He didn't beat Baldomir he just patted him , Hatton has faster feet better ring craft punches much harder than Baldomir and has a worse chin , how ?
Yea I guess Baldo's face was swollen and cut by the wind Floyd left while running around the ring? ::**
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
F****** hell Mayweather cant even dent Zab Judah and yet Hatton walks through Kostya Tszyus bombs and your saying he has a worse chin ?
Couldnt dent Judah either huh?? I guess it was Yoel Judah punching Zab in the nose and mouth blooding him up between rounds in his corner...
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Originally Posted by Swashbuckling Gordy
Here's fun , try basing what you write about on fact .
Thats a novel thought Gordo... Try taking your own advice ;)
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Baldo's face cut and swollen ..........booooowhoooooooooo hahahhahahahahahah i saw Mayweather swotting away and doing F*** all!!!
So he gave Judah a fat lip over 12 rounds ?
Mayweather cant punch for S*** .........i love the way you clutch at straws .
No straws grabbing there Gordo... Undisputable evidence, no speculation going on here..... Baldomir had 2 cuts by the end of the 1st round and was swollen around the eyes
Judah was bleeding from the mouth, nose and his eyes were puffy as well... so you can laugh all you want Happy Crappy but it is what it is
