This is what I would liek to see when I watch this fight.
BPF with too much confidence in the 4 and BOOM get caught and then trying to get up picking up his mouthpeace but bay the time he gets up is all over.
hey come on dreaming is not bad!!! ;D
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This is what I would liek to see when I watch this fight.
BPF with too much confidence in the 4 and BOOM get caught and then trying to get up picking up his mouthpeace but bay the time he gets up is all over.
hey come on dreaming is not bad!!! ;D
Even before the fight was announced I had made that decision. ;) Problem is I was planning on waiting until the end of camp before placing bet but the odds on Oscar are shorting so much!! :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Saddo
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Originally Posted by Hairdoo
I say pbf wins by stoppage ;)
He'll be landing that many acurate shots just like the gatti fight although it won't hurt DLH the pure accuracy and amount will make the ref stop the fight.
Did you just watch the "Buster Douglas/Mike Tyson" extravaganza?!?!?! that was the end of that fight.... so are you pulling for the "Underdog"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Puya
Yeah you got me there I want to see PBF like Tyson was at that moment the exact same way.
Look at the lines.. floyd is not really a huge favorite, beleive me if its close it aint going to floyd they defnetly prefer oscar to win.. rematch more future fights.. mayweather is real good but like jones a d i c k
they would have all the endorsements in the world but their stupid...... like i said theres nothing in mayweather that scares me here, this is coming from s guy who rooted against oscar his whole career
sorry to make a mess but let me put this point up, i dont really like oscar never have he sometime s looks like he doesnt train with much effort i see your points against sturm (came in whoeful shape) hopkins I think he just quit literally or took a dive that punch wasnt much... but he still has fought greater oppositon chavez, mosley is by far and wide 60 percent better than anyone floyd has ever fought even at his age right now of 35 or so. Im glad he waxed that ass on cotto as that is what he was supposed to do and you know what he didnt look all that spectacular in the rematch to be honest. Oscar has foguht bigger men and beat most of them. You could argue for a mayweather win sure but to say he is gonna alsk all over oscar is just stupid, oscar will be in shape and Motivated and he is not carlos baldomir or arturo gatti not by a long shot
I read somewhere that Oscar has a granite chin. My feeling is that he really has not taken a clean punch where he would be tested. He is rarely hit with a clean shot. the man has good defense and his jab has alot to do with it, although Floyd might get to Oscar's chin. I suspect we will have a boring 12 round fight with Floyd winning. I will say this.. The way Oscar has to win this fight is to do what Hagler did to Hearns. Just go for broke, and that takes a special fighter to be able to do that. Hagler never ever came out like that and neither did Hearns to be honest. Takes two to tango as Hagler said after the fight, but Oscar has to do that in round one. Because once Floyd gets in rounds 2 and 3 he will get his rhythm and he seems to get better and better until he dominates. Oscar has to use the first round when Floyd is not yet in the flow to shock floyd and nail him with big punches. If he can. Oscar has to do this and if his trainer tells him the right thing to do it will be to come out swinging big time. So what if the fight only lasts 2 rounds if Oscar punches himself out, at least that will be his best way to win. I am sold on this. I have run this fight in my head alot and to see Oscar jabbing might work in round one a little but Floyd will get the rhythm and bust up Oscar in the mid rounds and stop him or win a decision. Oscar is a good I would say almost great fighter, but he never has beaten the cream of the crop in a dominant way. Hearns beat more cream of the crop than Delahoya believe it or not. Tommy would either crash big or cause someone to crash. Oscar has shown that if he is having a hard fight he sort of goes in a lull and gets into a boring rhythm and doesn't have a good instinct about where he is in a fight like Sugar Ray Leonard did. Ray knew where he was and what he had to do. Tactics for the fight? Oscar should go for broke in round one and try to shock Floyd into trading or at least do some damage and maybe make Floyd get off his gameplan by giving him hell in round one and getting him more busted up than he ever was,, and Floyd's tactic would be to get his rhythm and work Oscar's body bigtime. I think he could stop Oscar with a bodyshot.. Not like Bernard with one, but with several. All in all since I do not think Oscar is as physically or mentally strong as Marvin Hagler, he will not go for broke at all. Only Hagler could do that. So that means. floyd wins this fight
Don't go with your feeling ::** get some tapes and use your eyes :o Oscar has been tagged plenty, his chin is granite mate. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Oscar does not have a granite chin. I was at a fight he fought in lake Tahoe in the mid 90s or so and he was knocked down in the first round. He is not hit clean. No way Delahoya has a granite chin. He is in an era of guys who like to box and not test chins. If he were in the Leonard,Hearns,Duran era he would have had a chin test. I have tapes. When are these fights he was tagged? Quartey barely tapped him and Oscar went down. Hagler has a granite chin, Chavez does. Delahoya? Not proven.
I'm sure I remember thinking how good Oscar's chin was when Vargas, Mosley & Mayorga all loaded up big shots and hit him clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
you can't be serious?Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Check out the KO percentage these opponents when they stepped into the ring against Oscar.
Mayorga 28wins 23ko's 82%
Hopkins 44wins 31ko's 70%
Mosley 34wins 32ko's 94%
Vargas 22wins 20ko's 90%
Castillejo 51wins 33ko's 64%
Gatti 34wins 28ko's 82%
Trinidad 35wins 30ko's 85%
Quartey 34wins 29ko's 85%
Chavez 97wins 80ko's 82%
Gonzalez 41wins 31ko's 75%
Ruelas 43wins 34ko's 79%
These guys liked to go home early. ;)
Those stats mean nothing, you get to any top fighters in a list you get good knockout percentages. Look at their overall record in big fights vs. good fighters.. Yuri boy Campas punches ok ,but his record shows he was a harder puncher than his fights- since he fights tomato cans usually until he steps up. Quartey and Oscar just stared at each other and then when one would land the other saw the opening and they would land glancing blows and cause knockdowns. The Oscar/Shane/Tito/Mayweather era will be known as the era of boxing safety first... the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era will be known as the era of warriors. Which era do you think will be remembered in say 2040? It is not about percentages it is about when you have a guy in front of you who can punch, do you take the chance and try and knock him out? Sure Quartey can knock out a tomato can when that guy is sitting there waiting to be stopped. . Tito and Oscar never engaged. yet Tito is a warrior and probably the only one of the whole bunch. I do not put Vargas in there because to me he is not the cream of the crop. He never made it to the big boys. These guys now want to box and win decisions. Oscar has never in my mind had a real chin test which is to his CREDIT. He is elusive. Bernard knew he would be hard to get a chin test so he tested his body. And guess what? He might have been hit on the top of the head or the back of the neck in some fights, but never a clean punch in center ring loaded up. But that lack of commitment hurts him in boxing history. Another Oscar and Shane and Mayweather will be around in a few years under other names with guys from the Olympic Trials and Olympics. Names come and go.. But the fact is Hagler and Hearns made a point of putting exclamations on thier fight. Which makes them more than just another era.. And I have said all along, if Oscar wants to win this fight he has to exert his size advantage and go to war like the guys in the 80s and take it to Floyd early. He has to take the chance and maybe get countered. But the way he fights, he will start off slow and jab and wait for the counter left, and he probably will not get it and floyd will get the rhythm and win a boring decision. Sure Oscar might be aggressive in round one if he hits Floyd a little and Floyd is backing up, but it will not last. Then Floyd will get his rhythm and win a decision like I said. Hence the era the boxing era. But it has not been a really exciting era with Oscar. Not really. He is good looking and fights decent fighters, but he does not put his all into the big fights which could have become iconic.
No. PBF by UD
If you say this is the biggest fight of Floyd's career and then pick Oscar to beat him, then why wouldn't his resume look amazing if he wins?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Gamo
So you believe Oscar, Shane & Tito will be remembered as "safety first boxers" ::** Lets not forget Oscar & Shane started as Lightweights and went all the way up to Light Middleweight & Middleweight. All three have 1 punch knockout power, maybe you should go watch Oscar v Shane I again and then tell me they are safety 1st boxers.Quote:
Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Mayweather doesn't deserve to be mentioned with these guys because he hasn't fought any of them or anyone for that matter even close to their caliber. His hardest two opponents to date have been a 135 pound Castillo and a guy who got sparked in 2 rounds by Kostya and lost a UNANIMOUS DECISION to Carlos Baldomir :-X
Even if Oscar doesn't beat Floyd May 5th I' am 100% sure more people will know who 'The Golden Boy' Oscar De La Hoya is in 2040 then any member of the Fabulous Four Middleweights. How can you honestly believe another Oscar, Shane & Floyd will come around in a few years when NO-ONE has ever won belts in SIX DIVISIONS like Oscar, or won belts in FOUR DIVISIONS and going for his FIFTH in less than TEN YEARS as Floyd is at age 30!! and Mosley well... I' am sure there aren't to many Lightweights in history that have gone on to become UNDISPUTED Light Middleweight Champion.