Re: Why Doen't Gatti Get the Respect He Deserves???
The only thing that is underappreciated about Gatti is his boxing skills. He is a very good boxer when he wants to be, but if he was always a "boxer" we wouldnt be talking about him right now.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Honestly...I think that Gatti doesn't get respect for the obvious reasons.
He loses badly when put to the test against the big bwoys & he even falls apart against the lesser demons of boxing.
I have always felt that Gatti is a glorified club fighter that has always been in the right place at the right time.
Don't get me wrong...I think that he's good for boxing based on his fan appeal...but he aint HOF worthy.
Entertainer or not.
I was going to give my opinions, but Wacko has already said it better than I could.
Re: Why Doen't Gatti Get the Respect He Deserves???
I give Gatti all the respect that he deserves...look at my avatar... ;)
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Originally Posted by amat
People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport (Gatti practically single handedly revived boxing in Atlantic City and to some extent New England), entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame. My favorite example is Beau Jack.There is a reason guys like Beau Jack is side by side with Kid Gavilan. Kid Gavilan beat the hell out of Jack and was regarded as one of his era's best. So of course Gavilan is in the hall. Jack is in because EVERYTIME fans came out to see Jack, he gave them exactly what they wanted to see. He gave them an exciting fight. Jack never once won a world title and his only real accomplishment was giving Ike Williams two hell of a fights and forcing a split decision draw. Gatti on the other hand has accomplished much more then Jack.
Let's not forget that Gatti was a damned good fighter. People rail on Mayweather for choosing him but remember, Gatti was not favored against Dorin. Dorin had just fought a bloody battle with the very good Paul Spadafora and got the short end of a bad decision. In 1995 he won his first title from Patterson and from 1995 to 2005 he was constantly at the top in or around title fights. That's 10 years and along the way gave us some of the most thrilling bouts a boxing fan has ever witnessed. So we're not just rewarding great fights but you have to do that too.
Gatti is a 1st ballot hall of famer and I am willing to bet that it's unanimous. I love the sweet boxers who are absolutely masters of their craft as much as the next guy and without any question at all they deserve a spot in the hall, but it can't be exclusively reserved for them. You have to have diversity, you have to be able to show future generations a guy like Pernell Whitaker and say, this is defense. Then guys like Ali and say that is how you outsmart your opponent. But then you also have to show guys like Gatti and show that this is how you give it your all and never sell anyone short.
Jeff Fenech is a guy who is in the hall of fame yet Gatti isn't? It's ridiculous to think that Gatti shouldn't or won't get in.
Can't agree more... :coolclick:
Re: Why Doen't Gatti Get the Respect He Deserves???
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Originally Posted by amat
People seem to forget...it's the hall of FAME. FAME. The most famous baseball players get in to. It's just that in baseball, the most famous players are the best ones.
Gatti is perhaps the most famed fighter of this generation. How many FOTY's has he been in? I mean the guy leaves it ALL in the ring. If the requirements for the hall of fame was that they had to be the absolute best fighters from each and every generation then Gatti would be by no means a hall of famer. But the hall of fame is for guys who bettered the sport, advanced the sport (Gatti practically single handedly revived boxing in Atlantic City and to some extent New England), entertained fans and those who acheived fame. Gatti accomplished all that and then some. Sure the guys' accomplishments do have to be a factor aswell but he WAS a champion. I mean it's not like he spent his whole career on the underbelly of the contender list. The Hall of Fame is for people who deserve to be frozen in time alongside other legends, Arturo Gatti is LEGENDARY. He is this generations Carmen Basilio minus the victories over Sugar Ray (Basilio would have got even if he lost imo). He is this generation's Beau Jack or Tony Zale. Maybe not quite the number of wins as those guys, but guys who didn't have the skills of the elite fighters, guys who weren't world beaters but guys who were immensly popular and left their body in the ring everytime they went out.
Arturo Gatti is absolutely something I want people of future generations to be able to read about. He is a guy who doesn't ever deserve to be forgotten.Now I'm not saying his accomplishments are legendary, and he definitely isn't a hall of famer on paper, but it's the IBHOF's job to go past the notepad and enshrine him. He's first ballot imo no question. I'm surprised there is such a strong sentiment to keep him out to be honest.
It's not called the hall of BEST, it's the hall of fame. My favorite example is Beau Jack.There is a reason guys like Beau Jack is side by side with Kid Gavilan. Kid Gavilan beat the hell out of Jack and was regarded as one of his era's best. So of course Gavilan is in the hall. Jack is in because EVERYTIME fans came out to see Jack, he gave them exactly what they wanted to see. He gave them an exciting fight. Jack never once won a world title and his only real accomplishment was giving Ike Williams two hell of a fights and forcing a split decision draw. Gatti on the other hand has accomplished much more then Jack.
Let's not forget that Gatti was a damned good fighter. People rail on Mayweather for choosing him but remember, Gatti was not favored against Dorin. Dorin had just fought a bloody battle with the very good Paul Spadafora and got the short end of a bad decision. In 1995 he won his first title from Patterson and from 1995 to 2005 he was constantly at the top in or around title fights. That's 10 years and along the way gave us some of the most thrilling bouts a boxing fan has ever witnessed. So we're not just rewarding great fights but you have to do that too.
Gatti is a 1st ballot hall of famer and I am willing to bet that it's unanimous. I love the sweet boxers who are absolutely masters of their craft as much as the next guy and without any question at all they deserve a spot in the hall, but it can't be exclusively reserved for them. You have to have diversity, you have to be able to show future generations a guy like Pernell Whitaker and say, this is defense. Then guys like Ali and say that is how you outsmart your opponent. But then you also have to show guys like Gatti and show that this is how you give it your all and never sell anyone short.
Jeff Fenech is a guy who is in the hall of fame yet Gatti isn't? It's ridiculous to think that Gatti shouldn't or won't get in.
CC on me greatly stated :appl:
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Gatti really pissed me off against mayweather. He could have took it to mayweathers body all fight. Instead he hardly throws a punch and stay within mayweathers range all fight. His defence was exemplary for the first four round. If he had landed 25 body shots per round he probably would have been able to go the full 12 rounds. He didn't land maybe 2 punches per round. Of course mayweather is going to pick apart a fighter that doesn't land any punches against him. You have to go after mayweather. you can't let him get range. make him run and chase him down. Gatti made himself look bad in that fight and a lot of people were disappointed in him.
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Hard to say who deserves to be in the hall. Of fighters now I think Barrera and Morales absolutely. Virgil Hill and Roy Jones Jr. yes. Delahoya yes. Mosley I have reservations about I am not sure why. He has not to me really beaten up guys in a way which get him in the hall. Hopkins yes. Wright? Wright is another one. Just not really convinced yet. He has some good wins but why the hall?Calzaghe yes .. He has dominated for a long time. Holyfield yes. Klitchkos not yet. Lennox yes. Toney yes. Manny Pac. yes. Hearns is still fighting and that is absolutely yes ANyone I missed?
Re: Why Doen't Gatti Get the Respect He Deserves???
It is hard to figure if Gatti should be in the Hall of Fame. On effort yes. He should be in the boxing heart hall of fame. But on skills and defenses probably not. I am just being honest. Matters.. In time sometimes it becomes clear. I love the guy and he is a good fighter with great recuperative powers, so when guys think he is hurt he gets a left hook in. Reminds me of Iran Barkley in someways.
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Originally Posted by amat
Gatti is a great fighter. IMO of course, but look at the hall of fame roster and Gatti is probably more great then at least a quarter 30 of those guys and will be remembered a lot longer then half of them. And that's just modern fighters. Jeff Fenech, Qawi, Apostoli (great SF boxer), Jeff Chandler, Rosario are all in there, there is no reason for Gatti, especially by Canastota's standards, to be considered not great.
Well since you put it that way if Jeff Fenech and others you mentioned are in it to be honest why can't Gatti be in there ??
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well as for Gatti being better than Rosario. I do not think so. Rosario was an exceptional guy who fought evenly with cream of the crop guys like Camacho and Ramirez, and he beat a solid champion in Rosario in 2 rounds and demolished him. Gatti had good fights but not the resume in wins that Rosario has.. Rosario had his ups and downs but to me he had a little more skills than Gatti, but no knock on Gatti, he is a very good fighter. Great fighter no but good fighter yes.. Hall of fame? Well I think they should have a category in the hall of fame for fights where the two combatants get in the hall on that particular fight. Then Hagler and Hearns, and Castillo and Corrarles and Gatti and Ward all get in the hall. As well as others.
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Originally Posted by meowza
Underappreciated in what sense?
I mean, are you saying he should be regarded in the same sense as guys like Mayweather and Oscar?
If you're talking about recognition for being the blood and guts champion of the world, he is already recognized as such from most fight fans. I think he gets the appreciation and respect he deserves.
Or are you saying he should be recognized more in the mainstream public outside of boxing for everything's he's put into the sport? If that's what you're saying, I can't disagree with you there. The world owes it to themselves to watch his career fights.
You talk an awful lot of sense :coolclick:
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i respect him and think hes a great fighter
having one of the best trilogies in boxing history and also having one of the hugest heart i repect
not beating the absolute elite but 20 years new boxing fans wont know him
unless he become a great trainer si
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
Hard to say who deserves to be in the hall. Of fighters now I think Barrera and Morales absolutely. Virgil Hill and Roy Jones Jr. yes. Delahoya yes. Mosley I have reservations about I am not sure why. He has not to me really beaten up guys in a way which get him in the hall. Hopkins yes. Wright? Wright is another one. Just not really convinced yet. He has some good wins but why the hall?Calzaghe yes .. He has dominated for a long time. Holyfield yes. Klitchkos not yet. Lennox yes. Toney yes. Manny Pac. yes. Hearns is still fighting and that is absolutely yes ANyone I missed?
Haha.. So Calzaghe is definetly in for you, but you have reservations about Mosley and Winky Wright.. That's funny.
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I finally saw the gatti-oscar dlh fight. Gatti looked just as bad in that fight as he did against mayweather. He just can't seem to land punches on the faster elite fighters. No offence whatsoever.
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Mayweather called him a 'C' class club fighter and then made him look like one.
Gatti's big problem is against guys who can box he ends up using his face as his first form of defence.
He has wonderful heart and he loves going toe to toe.
Not a great, and never will be a great.
Will be remembered for a great truilogy of fights against another above average fighter.
Gatti is very overrated by sentimental boxing fans.
