Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)
Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.
If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??
So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
8) Age wise Hatton is at his prime right now! If not then he gets old faster than the avarage bear! 8)
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)
Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.
If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??
So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."
Well personally i feel his prime for a guy with his style was 18 months prior to that fight Tackie and upto to Tzysu, i just cant work out what has gone wrong since? I mean its not motivation as he is topping the bill in Vegas now, and has promised amazing performances in his two American fights, which just havent happened, it wasnt one night like you said after the Tackie fight he should of pushed on then instead of fighting two/three more bums, but i think he deserves this last chance now to put on a world class performance which has been lacking now for two years.
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)
Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.
If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??
So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."
His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)
Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.
If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??
So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."
His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks
Ok, so like I said, you've got your non-rebuttable excuse in place for whenever Ricky loses a fight. It's very convenient. He was in his prime for a period in which he beat a bunch of C-grade bums, peaking with the one and only notable victory of his career. Once that happened, and there was actually demand to see him, and to see if that Tszyu fight was a fluke or whatever, he was already past his prime, so a loss wouldn't prove anything either way.
Saying that his "peak" (as opposed to his prime) consisted of a single fight is just another way of saying that he fought at above his real level for a night.
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by BIG H
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rack
8) Yea! Exactly thats what I say! 28 years old hes primetime right now! ! ! 8)
Hatton never recovered from the Tszyu fight - anybody who has seen his last 2 fights knows that he is past his best and that the years of blowing up between fights has probably taken it's toll.
If Hatton never performs aswell as he did against Tszyu, then by definition he is past his prime, do you think he will ever perform like that again??
So his "prime" consisted of one night? Like I said, that's a great way of explaining away any loss he might ever have. "Well, sure, but he wasn't in his prime. He was undefeated in his prime (1-0-0)."
His prime was about 2002 -2005 and peaked with Tszyu. He barely lost a round in his first 38 fights, that is a peak - Is it ok for me to say he may be past his best - good thanks
Ok, so like I said, you've got your non-rebuttable excuse in place for whenever Ricky loses a fight. It's very convenient. He was in his prime for a period in which he beat a bunch of C-grade bums, peaking with the one and only notable victory of his career. Once that happened, and there was actually demand to see him, and to see if that Tszyu fight was a fluke or whatever, he was already past his prime, so a loss wouldn't prove anything either way.
Saying that his "peak" (as opposed to his prime) consisted of a single fight is just another way of saying that he fought at above his real level for a night.
I don't make excuses!!
I am basing my opinion that he is past his prime on the FACT that his last 2 performances have been his worse!!
He has NEVER run out of steam before, NEVER been hanging on at the final bell and NEVER had a 12 round fight where the decision was even slightly likely to go against him
These are FACTS that make me feel he is past his best.
Do you think he is as good now as he was 2 years ago, based on what you have seen recently?
If your answer is no, then you agree he is probably past his best
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Good thread and I can't wait for this fight either, but before we can move on to Hatton vs. Castillo (which vary well could be fight of the year) I think allot of us are looking forward to see Pavlik vs. Miranda, well I know I am and this is another fight that could be fight of the year. I'm really looking forward to both of these can't wait.
Most definitely. If old school Juan Luis Castillo shows up then I can see him breaking Hatton's ribs into a million little pieces by the late rounds and just beating him down brutally. On the other hand, Hatton can really bring it and may be able to pull of a repeat performance against an aging warrior yet again just by setting an electrifying pace from the onset and outworking Castillo, then (based on JLC's energy levels after about seven or eight rounds) mount an offense to try to take Juan out late. I personally think Hatton would be a better fighter if he didnt drink like a madman, and his liquor-swilling, boozehound days of blearily staggering out of pubs with the rising sun behind him may have finally caught up with "The Hitman". Hopefully he's cleaned up his act a good deal after the last special and interview I saw him in...if he doesnt, then once Juan Luis Castillo gets his hands on him, they may be calling Ricky, "The Get-Hit Man".
And should "The Get-Hit Man" end up getting blown away later this summer by Castillo, where is he to go? I dont see him beating any of the bigger welterweights. Can he make lightweight and challenge Manny Pacquiao? That's a fight that I really think would be a brawl...
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.
How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.
See? Works both ways!
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by shza
This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.
How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.
See? Works both ways!
Why is it it lame?? I think Cotto and Mayweather will probably beat him either way, but lame?? Hatton struggled against a guy (Uranga) who had no boxing skills whatsoever, he was fucked i have never seen Hatton like that before 18 months ago the majority of this forum would put Hatton top 3/4 fittest boxers in the ring, he has not looked good, he looked his best between 2003/2005, you say he is 28, but over the last 2 years he has fought twice so that works out at say 20 weeks getting yourself ready in a period of 102 weeks, so for only 15% of the time over the past two years he has been working out, getting in shape the other 80/85% he has been eating what he wants drinking what he wants basically living life to the full, thats why i think he is past his best he has not been active enough, so i dont see how that can be lame??? Age is a number it's how you look after yourself, look at BHop most 42 year olds struggle to get out of bed the next day after some sort of exercise, but BHop is still a top boxer because he has lived his life in the correct way to keep him the way he is at 42.
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by shza
This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.
How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.
See? Works both ways!
Cotto & PBF probably beat Hatton even on his best night! Pick the bones out of that ;)
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.
See? Works both ways!
Was Tszyu coming of his two worst performances or probably his best, stopping the THEN favourite and number 1 Sharmba Mitchell ???
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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Originally Posted by skel1983
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Originally Posted by shza
This is so lame. Line it up now. If he ever fights Cotto or actually lands a PBF fight and loses, it won't be because he just NEVER was as good as those guys -- it's just because he's past his (one night only) peak. Never mind that PBF is older than he is.
How about this: when Hatton beat Tszyu, it was just because Tszyu was past his prime.
See? Works both ways!
Why is it it lame?? I think Cotto and Mayweather will probably beat him either way, but lame?? Hatton struggled against a guy (Uranga) who had no boxing skills whatsoever, he was fucked i have never seen Hatton like that before 18 months ago the majority of this forum would put Hatton top 3/4 fittest boxers in the ring, he has not looked good, he looked his best between 2003/2005, you say he is 28, but over the last 2 years he has fought twice so that works out at say 20 weeks getting yourself ready in a period of 102 weeks, so for only 15% of the time over the past two years he has been working out, getting in shape the other 80/85% he has been eating what he wants drinking what he wants basically living life to the full, thats why i think he is past his best he has not been active enough, so i dont see how that can be lame??? Age is a number it's how you look after yourself, look at BHop most 42 year olds struggle to get out of bed the next day after some sort of exercise, but BHop is still a top boxer because he has lived his life in the correct way to keep him the way he is at 42.
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Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
I just think Hatton has looked bad because he has fought two bigger, stronger southpaws. I know Castillo hits really well to the body and that has been the major talking point.......a bit like Tszyu's big right hand was, but Graham and Hatton worked on a plan to avoid that one shot and i think they will be working on something similar with Castillo's body shots. They're not stupid.
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
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I just think Hatton has looked bad because he has fought two bigger, stronger southpaws. I know Castillo hits really well to the body and that has been the major talking point.......a bit like Tszyu's big right hand was, but Graham and Hatton worked on a plan to avoid that one shot and i think they will be working on something similar with Castillo's body shots. They're not stupid.
It was his stamina (or lack of) that concerns me, becuase this is without doubt his biggest strength, i.e work rate, pressure! Without that :-\
Re: Well we may as well move on to Hatton vs Castillo now
I think people are overly critical about Hatton's last three fights.
He knocked Maussa out with a fantastic punch...ok it wasn't his best night but it was a KO.
The Collazo fight was a great fight. I think for his first step up, the fight was exciting and great to watch. He was really tested but he still won.
He clearly beat Urango. It was a boring fight but to be fair, for Ricky, fighting Urango musta been like have sex with a fat girl in that it was difficult to get up for.
It would be better to judge him on the Castillo fight.
