Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
how is pavlik physically limited. he wins by chin alone. tell me who would be able to stand up while getting hit by miranda like pavlik did? i dont even think taylor would have stayed up.
Miranda didn't hit Pavlik very hard in that fight. I didn't see Miranda land a single punch that he threw with more than 50% power. He only threw a couple bombs; for the most part, his power looked sapped (in large part due to the fact that he was going backwards and taking punishment from Pavlik the whole fight). I don't know if I'd call Pavlik "physically limited" necessarily, but he's undoubtedly far less athletic and technically skilled than Taylor. He just hits hard and has heart--which may be enough to get it done. But I doubt it. He's a B/B+ fighter.
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taylor got buckled by spinks in the first round too...
no he didn't. he got moved because he was off-balance. which is a problem--but not a chin problem.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Is Taylor going to hit Pavlik harder than he got hit by Miranda?
No. But he's gonna hit him more often and more precise. And that can make a difference as well. If Taylor stops trying to load up on two shots nowadays and goes back to throwing 90 jabs a fight he'll have something.
But Hopkins took his heart
If Taylor pops his jab consistantly, he'll give himself a pretty good chance. I'll agree with you there. Maybe Hopkins did take his heart. I'm curious to find out what happens when Taylor gets hit by a guy with real power. That hasn't happened for a while.
When did he ever fight a puncher?
When did Pavlik ever fight a guy that's uses a jab?
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
Im not sure who wins but fight by fight JT is looking like a dud , and at least Pavlik is exciting , are you listening mr Taylor !!!!!!!!!
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
IMO in time with a few more high quality fighters Kelly would be a good run for Taylors money....IMO Jermain just has too much experience that carried over from his amatuer days and Kelly would be out boxed
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
I would like to see how Taylor reacts when he gets hit by massive puncher like Pavlik Taylor hasn't fought a puncher yet Wright Hopkins Ouma Spinks all good boxers but not big punchers inafct i haven't seen Taylor ever fight a big puncher yet ?? unless im wrong.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Is Taylor going to hit Pavlik harder than he got hit by Miranda?
Uh... I didn't think Miranda hit Pavlik very hard. Miranda looked terrible, and seemed to have about 90% less pop than he usually does. I credit Pavlik's backing him up with a lot of that, but the fact remains that I didn't see Miranda landing anything hard or great in that fight. So Taylor probably would hit Pavlik harder.
Pavlik looks very sloppy (and slow) to me. It would be a fun fight to watch--a hell of a lot more fun than most of Taylor's recent fights--but I think he's at least a level down from Taylor technically, and I don't give him more than a puncher's chance. I'd rather see a Winky-Taylor rematch. Winky ought to be middleweight champion already.
90 percent less pop wtf where do you get these percentages from because thats nonsense he hit Pavlik with very hard straight rights but he walked right through them and Miranda must of thought wtf then he had no plan b and got busted up.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
I would like to see how Taylor reacts when he gets hit by massive puncher like Pavlik Taylor hasn't fought a puncher yet Wright Hopkins Ouma Spinks all good boxers but not big punchers inafct i haven't seen Taylor ever fight a big puncher yet ?? unless im wrong.
He hasnt ! Joppy couldnt bang either
It would be interesting to still se him fight Miranda but Pavlik first . Kelly doesnt have to brawl like he did on Sat , that was a style used specifically for Miranda , he may use his height abit more vs Taylor . He was abit crude and at times reminded me of Carlos Maussa the way he just came forward wrecklessly . He walked onto Mirandas shots which effectively doubled the impact but he absorbed them all which tells me Taylors guna have trouble making a dent in him .
Taylor however fights to the level of his competetion and seems always to do just enough to win . If Kelly makes him fight we may see Jermain come out of his shell and display some of the talent we know is hidden in there . The mistake Winky made vs Taylor was being too aggressive . I wonder if Pavlik would make the same mistake .
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
I would like to see how Taylor reacts when he gets hit by massive puncher like Pavlik Taylor hasn't fought a puncher yet Wright Hopkins Ouma Spinks all good boxers but not big punchers inafct i haven't seen Taylor ever fight a big puncher yet ?? unless im wrong.
He hasnt ! Joppy couldnt bang either
It would be interesting to still se him fight Miranda but Pavlik first . Kelly doesnt have to brawl like he did on Sat , that was a style used specifically for Miranda , he may use his height abit more vs Taylor . He was abit crude and at times reminded me of Carlos Maussa the way he just came forward wrecklessly . He walked onto Mirandas shots which effectively doubled the impact but he absorbed them all which tells me Taylors guna have trouble making a dent in him .
Taylor however fights to the level of his competetion and seems always to do just enough to win . If Kelly makes him fight we may see Jermain come out of his shell and display some of the talent we know is hidden in there . The mistake Winky made vs Taylor was being too aggressive . I wonder if Pavlik would make the same mistake .
Agreed but difference is when Winky was aggressive he didn't really hurt Taylor because Winky lets be fair hasn't cracked an egg in ages a superb fighter no doubt but he is nowhere near being a puncher Pavlik could be aggressive and test that chin of Taylors because imo Taylors chin hasn't been tested yet by a huge puncher like Pavlik.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
I would like to see how Taylor reacts when he gets hit by massive puncher like Pavlik Taylor hasn't fought a puncher yet Wright Hopkins Ouma Spinks all good boxers but not big punchers inafct i haven't seen Taylor ever fight a big puncher yet ?? unless im wrong.
He hasnt ! Joppy couldnt bang either
It would be interesting to still se him fight Miranda but Pavlik first . Kelly doesnt have to brawl like he did on Sat , that was a style used specifically for Miranda , he may use his height abit more vs Taylor . He was abit crude and at times reminded me of Carlos Maussa the way he just came forward wrecklessly . He walked onto Mirandas shots which effectively doubled the impact but he absorbed them all which tells me Taylors guna have trouble making a dent in him .
Taylor however fights to the level of his competetion and seems always to do just enough to win . If Kelly makes him fight we may see Jermain come out of his shell and display some of the talent we know is hidden in there . The mistake Winky made vs Taylor was being too aggressive . I wonder if Pavlik would make the same mistake .
Agreed but difference is when Winky was aggressive he didn't really hurt Taylor because Winky lets be fair hasn't cracked an egg in ages a superb fighter no doubt but he is nowhere near being a puncher Pavlik could be aggressive and test that chin of Taylors because imo Taylors chin hasn't been tested yet by a huge puncher like Pavlik.
You are right but i'd make the suggestion that Wright is more accurate with his punches and may have an edge in speed also .
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Lucifer's Infection
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Originally Posted by SeanE
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by SeanE
Is Taylor going to hit Pavlik harder than he got hit by Miranda?
No. But he's gonna hit him more often and more precise. And that can make a difference as well. If Taylor stops trying to load up on two shots nowadays and goes back to throwing 90 jabs a fight he'll have something.
But Hopkins took his heart
If Taylor pops his jab consistantly, he'll give himself a pretty good chance. I'll agree with you there. Maybe Hopkins did take his heart. I'm curious to find out what happens when Taylor gets hit by a guy with real power. That hasn't happened for a while.
When did he ever fight a puncher?
When did Pavlik ever fight a guy that's uses a jab?
Are you implying that Taylor uses a jab? :o
I've already said that if Taylor reverts back to his old form and pops his jab consistantly, he will give himself a very good chance. I won't deny it. I'm just not sure that JT exists anymore. He will need to throw his old hard crisp jab constantly to keep Pavlik off him. If he is lazy with it, Pavlik will eat him up. This is one reason it's a great matchup.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
how is pavlik physically limited. he wins by chin alone. tell me who would be able to stand up while getting hit by miranda like pavlik did? i dont even think taylor would have stayed up.
Miranda didn't hit Pavlik very hard in that fight. I didn't see Miranda land a single punch that he threw with more than 50% power. He only threw a couple bombs; for the most part, his power looked sapped (in large part due to the fact that he was going backwards and taking punishment from Pavlik the whole fight). I don't know if I'd call Pavlik "physically limited" necessarily, but he's undoubtedly far less athletic and technically skilled than Taylor. He just hits hard and has heart--which may be enough to get it done. But I doubt it. He's a B/B+ fighter.
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taylor got buckled by spinks in the first round too...
no he didn't. he got moved because he was off-balance. which is a problem--but not a chin problem.
I say Taylor was off balane as well. But I disagree that Maranda didn't hit Pavlik hard a few times... I just think Miranda doesn't hit incredibly hard, and he throws bad punches. Miranda didn't land all that much and Pavlik good technical skills, but key in Taylor's speed and its another ball game, also Taylor's power is very underrated. He may not KO guys, but like Hopkins he hits hard and wears an opponent down if he hits them enough.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
aggressive way more aggresive than Taylor. I have never scene Kelly pushed back by a smaller guy like Ouma and Winky.Kelly and Taylor both faced Grady Brewer the contender champion back in the early parts of their career. Kelly Pavlik of course knocked him out. Taylor won in a close decision. It would be interesting to see.Taylor has never faced a dog a with a harder bite than Pavlik.
Re: I still say Taylor beats Pavlik
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Originally Posted by shza
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Originally Posted by josef4334
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Originally Posted by Taeth
I still think Taylor beats him... Not way Miranda would catch Taylor with the punches he hit Pavlik with. I liked Pavlik's style, but he seemed to be physically limited, and pretty slow.
how is pavlik physically limited. he wins by chin alone. tell me who would be able to stand up while getting hit by miranda like pavlik did? i dont even think taylor would have stayed up.
Miranda didn't hit Pavlik very hard in that fight. I didn't see Miranda land a single punch that he threw with more than 50% power. He only threw a couple bombs; for the most part, his power looked sapped (in large part due to the fact that he was going backwards and taking punishment from Pavlik the whole fight). I don't know if I'd call Pavlik "physically limited" necessarily, but he's undoubtedly far less athletic and technically skilled than Taylor. He just hits hard and has heart--which may be enough to get it done. But I doubt it. He's a B/B+ fighter.
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Originally Posted by josef4334
taylor got buckled by spinks in the first round too...
no he didn't. he got moved because he was off-balance. which is a problem--but not a chin problem.
I say Taylor was off balane as well. But I disagree that Maranda didn't hit Pavlik hard a few times... I just think Miranda doesn't hit incredibly hard, and he throws bad punches. Miranda didn't land all that much and Pavlik good technical skills, but key in Taylor's speed and its another ball game, also Taylor's power is very underrated. He may not KO guys, but like Hopkins he hits hard and wears an opponent down if he hits them enough.
I mostly agree with you, but speed is only good if you use it, and his power will only matter if he throws enough to make it matter. I think we both agree that Taylor doesn't have 1 punch KO power, and if Pavlik's power has the potential to wear him down and make him not want throw power shots.
