Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Anyone who thinks prime Tyson was unbeatable or the greatest heavyweight ever obviously never watched prime Ali.
Mike Tyson does not even deserve to mentioned in the same sentence as Muhammad Ali.
well ive seen all ali's fights and all of tysons(got them on dvd) and while im a huge fan of ali and i rate him as the greatest fighter of all time cause of his achievments and he over came the odds against superior,stronger men eg; liston and foreman, and while tyson didnt acomplish nearly as much as ali(which i have lots of genuine excuses for, but couldnt be bothered going into,every fan that has followed tysons carrer knows what im talking about) id still pick tyson by KO over ali. you have to realize that alis defence was that he would move straight back and tyson would catch up with him. if ali was rocked badly by coopers left hook just imagine what tysons would feel like!
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
I was reading some old topic and utter nonsense i was reading im sorry Cockey Cockney i like you man your one of my favorite posters but what you typed here was totally wrong.
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.
So IMO he would beat them all, in his prime he was amazing.
Tyson imo is one of the most overrated boxers of all time the man didn't beat anyone really well if you think beating old shot Holmes or beating the natural Lightheavyweight who only got title getting gifts of a faded Holmes makes him unbeatable your all dreaming Tyson had good skills but when i hear this utter nonsense that Tyson had amazing defense he never got it blah blah is totally wrong the man had talent i never denied it but for people to think he is unbeatable all this other nonsense Cockey Cockney i am not having a go at you mate i was just quoting a post which i totally disagree with and i want people to tell me why they say this because when i watch him i see hw with good talent but nothing unbeatable or this aura of invincibility they think he has am i missing something or what because im just not seeing it folks i want your thoughts.
Ice i like you alot but Tyson stopped Holmes in 4 rounds he was down 3 times in that round the 3rd out cold now an arguement can be made that holmes was old but Holmes went on to do alot after Tyson so he was'nt that faded he went full 12 with Holyfield beat unbeaten Ray Mercer UD10 went full 12 with WBC champ McCall and quite a few thought he had won so Tyson stopping him in 4 was a really good result as for Spinks yes he was a former Lightheavy but he had beaten Holmes twice then beat 2 more heavys by stoppage Tagstad and Cooney both reasonable Cooney was 17stone and only lasted 5 rounds with Spinks. Tyson stopped him 1 this was a great result for Tyson as many considered Spinks as the linear champ so i don't think Tyson was overrated he just had to many problems the D'mato loss the Jacobs loss then Cayton and King fighting over him Givens srewing with his head and so on so he faded pretty fast i like to believe had D'mato and Jacobs not died he would have probably retired undefeated passing Marciano's record with millions in the bank Tyson was weak mentally he was to young he needed looking after but instead he was taken advantage of by King and others.
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
Tyson was not on his A game in the Douglas fight......Truth is Tysons prime lasted about 4 years then he threw it all away trying to be Tyson the Myth instead of Tyson the fighter
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.--Good fight while it lasted...IMO Tyson had to high a work rate to allow Shavers his time to get his shots off--Though all Earnie needed was one good shot against ANYONE!!
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.--Again IMO Tyson too much too fast
Tyson v Foreman- Tyson UD.---Big George had all Tysons power and then some!!!---IMO it depends on who gets gassed first...I go 50/50 onthis one
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson UD.--I go with Mike on this one Frazier had a problem with big punchers and was not exactly a defensive fighter
Tyson v Ali- Tyson KO.---This is just stupid!!!---Ali at any time up until 1976 beats Mike with out any question---Tyson may drop Ali once or twice by KO him NO!!!...more then likely Tyson gets frustrated by Ali and his Ring Savvy and speed...easy UD or possibly TKO for the Greatest
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO.--Tyson KO...Ken had a soft chin
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
Well, that was one of the biggest upset in boxing history.
That was also the beginning of Tyson's downfall.
It was the first time he fought somebody who could take a serious punch,who had reach
Tyson's whole career up to them had been carefully massaged.Theres a reason he didnt fight Witherspoon
The main reason he did'nt fight Witherspoon is because Bonecrusher ko'd him in 1 and won his WBA title and thats what Tyson wanted had Spoon won he would have fought Tyson
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Prime Tyson was unbeatable.
Tell it to Buster Douglas
:) 42 and oh I shouldn't have gotten rid of everyone that was responsible for my success. Man did I take a beating.....Gave my father $100 to bet on Buster on that fight...to win by KO....got 100-1 odds........he gave me the $100 back in the 9th when Tyson knocked down Douglas....you know the rest.....I beat that heavy bag till it fell out of the ceiling......
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Had Tyson fought a Prime Holmes the result would'nt have been much different it would have still been a ko win for Tyson
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This is my list
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Foreman KO.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Ali- Ali Decision.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO. The Tyson which would beat these guys is the 1988 Tyson who fought Holmes. And a prime Holmes vs. Tyson I pick Holmes by decision
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65
This is my list
Tyson v Shavers- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Lyle- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Foreman- Foreman KO.
Tyson v Frazier- Tyson KO.
Tyson v Ali- Ali Decision.
Tyson v Norton- Tyson KO. We are talking about the 1988 Tyson I think right?
yup......the "IRON" one....
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
I would go for Tyson to stop Ali aswell if Cooper,Wepner and Frazier can knock him over Tyson can keep him their he is a better finisher than both these guys
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Tyson could not stop Ali.. He would have a hard time landing a punch on him. Tyson when he was young would make it hard for Ali because of his energy, but later Mike slowed down more and more and he became easier to hit for guys.
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
....people who blame Tyson's downfall on just losing D'Mato and Jacobs are dillusional!
He was always a thug, he had mental instability, and he just couldn't handle authority....those make for a tough out of the ring experience.
Joe Frazier was only stopped by George Foreman (twice) and Muhammed Ali (once) and both times he took unbelieveable punishment....Smokin Joe's high volume of punches would really help him vs Tyson
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
Answer to the thread:becuase when he was mentally stable,whe he had a stable life in and out of the ring,he was just that,unstoppable. Never has a HW been combined with such a combination of power,speed,skills and just sheer ferocity. His defence was deceptively good and he was just a monster, To survive 12 rounds with a prime Tyson was viewed as a success for his opponent and a failure for Mike. Hell, fighters would go into the ring with the mentality that surviving was
"winning" in an essence! Few HW have had that impact before.
The only legendary HWs that would give him problems would be the boxers,the Ali's etc and may be the feeaks of nature like Foreman although Mike would have the upper hand on the inside,Foreman had possibly the longest loopiest punches I have ver seen! Mike would decimate the rest.
Go and watch some Tyson fights of him in his prime then watch the older HW and spot the differences. And Mikes uppercuts were possibly the most brutal punches in the histyory of boxing. His hooks were astonishing,short,compact yet ridiculously powerful,he had a jab,he had it all dammit. Een head movement!
Tyons beat all the HW around at this time. Who he did he not beat whom he could have beaten? Lewis etc clearly didn't want to fight him! Who can blame them? Lennox waited for Tyson to get old then fight him ;)
And to say Tyson couldn't handle authority are correct..but only after Cus passed. Under Cus,he was learning and achieving.
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....Gamo, I can see you really believe in Tyson's greatness and I don't want to blast you for feeling that but all due respect, I must say I disagree.
Re: Why Do People Think Tyson Is Unbeatable ??
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Originally Posted by Lyle
....Gamo, I can see you really believe in Tyson's greatness and I don't want to blast you for feeling that but all due respect, I must say I disagree.
Fair enough man,and honestly,I don't think he was an ATG or anything like that but when he was on top form and mentally stable,he was a force of destruction. If you don't see that then you are missing something. Whos' your fave HW Marciano>?
