Re: Is boxing really just about hit and not get hit?
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
thats exactly what the science of boxing is all about- hit and not get hit.......when i say not get hit i dont mean running for 12 rds 8)
Thats thething about boxing. They teach you to cut off the ring.
And if they cannot cut off the ring on a defensive minded boxer then its more their fault because they apparently trained for "all this time" for a defensive fighter and they get in the ring and forget how to cut off the ring ???
Thats not the defensive fighter's fault in my opinion
i dont think i can agree with that!.... boxing is or use to be a gladiators game. thats what boxing is sopposed to be about, if floyd was fighting in the 20's or 30's he would have his purse taking off him for not being combative. its about defence, not running scared for 12 rds
ps...i not singling out floyd i just couldnt think off anyone else at the time.no offence floyd
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so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
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Makes it clear that most of you would like for fights to en up by KO. Am I right?
Re: Is boxing really just about hit and not get hit?
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
And you refer "strategy" and way to win to "running scared"
Why don't you tell me why a boxer should play into his opponents strengths and his own weaknesses ???
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Makes it clear that most of you would like for fights to en up by KO. Am I right?
well thats what its all about!
fights in the old days didnt end until someone got KTFO or couldnt continue ;)
the least they could do is bring back 15 rders :D
Re: Is boxing really just about hit and not get hit?
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
tyson tried to make a fight off it but every time he got close smith held on for dear life :-\
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
tyson tried to make a fight off it but every time he got close smith held on for dear life :-\
You're not talking about "running" you're talking about holding. In which case thats up to the ref.
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
tyson tried to make a fight off it but every time he got close smith held on for dear life :-\
You're not talking about "running" you're talking about holding. In which case thats up to the ref.
have u not seen the fight? smith made it one of the most boring fights in history , and the crowd let him know how they felt about it. he was lucky he got paid .anyway i only used it as example.
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
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Originally Posted by Starr
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so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
tyson tried to make a fight off it but every time he got close smith held on for dear life :-\
You're not talking about "running" you're talking about holding. In which case thats up to the ref.
have u not seen the fight? smith made it one of the most boring fights in history , and the crowd let him know how they felt about it. he was lucky he got paid .anyway i only used it as example.
Yeah but whens the last time you saw that?
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I like a fight. Doesn't mean you have to get hit alot, but if your focus is more on not getting hit than it is on hitting the other guy, I won't give you a round.
I appreciate good boxing as well as slugging. But for me at the end of the day it's still about kicking someone's arse. If you don't get after it and try to beat up the guy your fighting it's more like sparring than a fight. Ultimately the goal is to concuss your opponent, and win decisively if you don't strive for that then you don't win the fight. No matter how many more times you hit your opponent. Too me a good example is the last fight for Kessler. He tried hard to put away the other fighter without getting careless and being to risky. If you contrast that with the Spinks Taylor fight than you have both ends of the spectrum.. Then you take the PBF-ODH fight and it falls right in the middle of the 2. PBF was definitely more focused on not getting hit, but he landed some good shots, however for me he didn't go for the ko. He didn't try to dominate, he went after it for about 30 seconds in the 10th round and that is it. Could have went either way but for me he didn't do enough. He didn't take a risk until the last seconds of the last round and it's not enough for me.
I agree SRL is a fine example of a boxer. He would go for the ko when he had the chance and definitely could box and avoid punches. I think for me it's more about someone overcoming their limitations. I would prefer an underskilled fighter that gives all they got to a supremely talented and skilled fighter that coasts through their wins. I never really like Shaq because of that. To me the guy should be dominating and scoring 40 points a game. If you are 7 feet and 300lbs you better be controlling the game. But to make millions and not be able to make a damn freethrow. That's garbage......
Kinda like what Chris Rock says..... people say "I take care of my kids" and always want credit for things they're supposed to do. You get credit when you go above and beyond. Not for just doing what you're supposed to.
Fwocking awesome post my man,a really interesting perspective.CC. See Starr,this is the other side to your argument,because ok,one should not play into the opponents strenghts but does that mean one should not try to better themself?Just play it safe all the time? Thats why SRR was and is the GOAT,he could do it all and thats why,imo,Floyd,amazingly good as he is defensively will not be an ATG top 10. Thes best of the best could fight and still avoid getting hit.
I'll say it again,there are no right or wrong answers,I'm just intereseted in what you guys think.
I also think there is a difference between running and ring generalship. If a guy is just moving around the ring,trying to avoid contact at all costs without any intention of scoring points offensively,like Oscar,thats running.
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I also think it comes down to how you score a fight. Do you score the rounds for the guy who has been moving around the ring,landing infrequently,or the guy who is pursuing,letting his hdans go but not landing as much?
The perfect examples of this are Daniel Ponce De Leon v Gerry Penelosa. Penelosa being the sweet sciene aspect,Ponce the toe to toe aspect. Who did you score the fight for and why? The same with Oscar Floyd and Corey-JT.
Re: Is boxing really just about hit and not get hit?
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by Troy McClure
so is this what ur getting at star....eg it was tysons fault cause bonecrusher ran and held the whole fight? lets not forget it takes 2 to tango ;)
it's both of their faults. Why would tyson be any different ???
And you refer "strategy" and way to win to "running scared"
Why don't you tell me why a boxer should play into his opponents strengths and his own weaknesses ???
Starr,
I don't think any boxer should play into the opponents strengths. However if you finish a fight and your face and your opponents face are unmarked, you didn't bloody them up, or anything, the guy who was trying to avoid getting hit didn't want to fight. When that happens, I don't say "wow, what a great defensive fighter" I say "that guy didn't want to beat his opponent, he only wanted to avoid getting beat" In that case I would give it to the aggressor. Now if the fighter is moving and avoiding punches and landing lots of punches and makes the other guys face look like he's been hit alot then it's a different story. Example is Arce's last 2 fights. Recent one he got dominated by Mijares. Mijares outboxed him and beat him bloody. The other guy in the fight before ran and covered up avoiding punches and avoiding landing punches. One guy just didn't want to get hit and one guy wanted to hit Arce alot and used his skill and avoided the punches of Arce.
It's about aggression for me. Spinks wasn't aggressive at all. PBF was aggressive for maybe 2 minutes of the ODH fight, Mijares was aggressive the whole time. However Mijares never stood and traded punches or played into Arce's strengths.
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I enjoy seeing fighters who can do both at the same time. When you can make your apponent miss and make him pay for it. That is boxing at tis best imo. I of course like to see a knockout becouse I know in my fights I hated going to the judges it just gives me a sick feelig that something screwy is going to happen.
