Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF.
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
That S*** about roy is just ridiculous..i think he's jealous that he didn't get to train a freakshow like roy...
and there he goes again promoting himself..the only oscar-pbf rematch out does the first is if he's involved...damn he wants the spotlight..he should just get chad ready and ride him to the top maybe.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=11137&more=1
Aside from Floyd, all the other Mayweathers are big talkers who were not good fighters. And Floyd being in the class with Ali and Leonard is ridiculous. I hate to say it but Roy in my mind was better than Floyd. Floyd has great skills and a great fighter, but Roy had the skills and power. The whole package.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
That S*** about roy is just ridiculous..i think he's jealous that he didn't get to train a freakshow like roy...
and there he goes again promoting himself..the only oscar-pbf rematch out does the first is if he's involved...damn he wants the spotlight..he should just get chad ready and ride him to the top maybe.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=11137&more=1
I would hate for that guy to be my father ::**
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
That S*** about roy is just ridiculous..i think he's jealous that he didn't get to train a freakshow like roy...
and there he goes again promoting himself..the only oscar-pbf rematch out does the first is if he's involved...damn he wants the spotlight..he should just get chad ready and ride him to the top maybe.
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/news.php?p=11137&more=1
Since when does anyone give a shit wot that complete dickhead says, look at the guys hair yes hes a total fruit :)
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
Skills come in many ways, Jones had great skills to go with his pscyhcodinamics of the time. He was to me a joy to watch, He set the other guy problems they coulnt solve thats the bottom line.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF.
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Some people are just jealous of how good people are love him or hate him Roy Jones Jr was exceptional and very talented and if anybody says different then they don't know about boxing imo or there just plain jealous.
You can't tell me with a straight face that Roy Jones is a Fundamentally sound fighter with exceptional BOXING skill.
Roy was EXTREMELY athletic, fast and strong, thats how he won fights he was always the superior human being in that ring...
I disagree with you here JT. Sure he doesn't have the fundamentals like Hopkins but sheer athleticism alone doesn't win fights.
If that were true you could give any gymnast a few weeks training and they would be world beaters.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Some people are just jealous of how good people are love him or hate him Roy Jones Jr was exceptional and very talented and if anybody says different then they don't know about boxing imo or there just plain jealous.
You can't tell me with a straight face that Roy Jones is a Fundamentally sound fighter with exceptional BOXING skill.
Roy was EXTREMELY athletic, fast and strong, thats how he won fights he was always the superior human being in that ring...
I disagree with you here JT. Sure he doesn't have the fundamentals like Hopkins but sheer athleticism alone doesn't win fights.
If that were true you could give any gymnast a few weeks training and they would be world beaters.
Agreed Bilbo.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
Some people are just jealous of how good people are love him or hate him Roy Jones Jr was exceptional and very talented and if anybody says different then they don't know about boxing imo or there just plain jealous.
You can't tell me with a straight face that Roy Jones is a Fundamentally sound fighter with exceptional BOXING skill.
Roy was EXTREMELY athletic, fast and strong, thats how he won fights he was always the superior human being in that ring...
I disagree with you here JT. Sure he doesn't have the fundamentals like Hopkins but sheer athleticism alone doesn't win fights.
If that were true you could give any gymnast a few weeks training and they would be world beaters.
OKAY THEN.... Well I'd love to see the guy doing the wooden horse, punch like a mule, have blazing speed and be able to avoid punches with cat like reflexes... :P Sorry Bud, Roy was a fundamental mess... If he wasnt then he would still be a great champion and successful today but because he slipped in his reflexes and natural atributes he dosent have the fundamentals and skill to compensate for those losses ;)
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Lol im not getting my panties all in a bunch at all im just debating with you and he is like Michael Johnson of boxing bad technique maybe but still exceptional.
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Lol im not getting my panties all in a bunch at all im just debating with you and he is like Michael Johnson of boxing bad technique maybe but still exceptional.
well i was just commenting on what floyd sr said..and he never said why he felt roy wasn't exceptional...and all the comments about roy not having fundamentals just came out of nowhere..because not once did floyd mention fundamentals...so anyone commenting on roy's fundamentals IMO were just looking to say something negative (abeit truthful) about roy, but only discussing whether or not he was exceptional..is the case and he was
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Lol im not getting my panties all in a bunch at all im just debating with you and he is like Michael Johnson of boxing bad technique maybe but still exceptional.
well i was just commenting on what floyd sr said..and he never said why he felt roy wasn't exceptional...and all the comments about roy not having fundamentals just came out of nowhere..because not once did floyd mention fundamentals...so anyone commenting on roy's fundamentals IMO were just looking to say something negative (abeit truthful) about roy, but only discussing whether or not he was exceptional..is the case and he was
certainly not me discrediting Roy, I am one of his biggest fans... I just call it like it is... Thats like digging on Hopkins for not possesing great handspeed, it didnt take away from he has done, its just a fact. Like I stated not taking anything away from Roy, just presenting a fact, thats all
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Lol im not getting my panties all in a bunch at all im just debating with you and he is like Michael Johnson of boxing bad technique maybe but still exceptional.
well i was just commenting on what floyd sr said..and he never said why he felt roy wasn't exceptional...and all the comments about roy not having fundamentals just came out of nowhere..because not once did floyd mention fundamentals...so anyone commenting on roy's fundamentals IMO were just looking to say something negative (abeit truthful) about roy, but only discussing whether or not he was exceptional..is the case and he was
certainly not me discrediting Roy, I am one of his biggest fans... I just call it like it is... Thats like digging on Hopkins for not possesing great handspeed, it didnt take away from he has done, its just a fact. Like I stated not taking anything away from Roy, just presenting a fact, thats all
i understand, but the article..floyd sr never mentioned fundamentals....so i don't know why it was mentioned anyway..that's what i don't understand, if anyone was just commenting on what Sr said then i don't see why anyone would argue against roy being exceptional...
Re: Floyd Sr. Say's RJJ was never exceptional and that oscar really lost to PBF...
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
i think everyone that's saying roy was not exceptional because he didn't have world class fundamentals is missing the point...
floyd sr said roy wasn't exceptional.
and that's ridiculous..because roy was extremely exceptional...if a trainer were training a young fighter that was trying to lead with left hooks and constantly leave his feet the way roy did, the trainer would stop it immediately...and young fighter would say "well roy jones used to do it"
and trainer would reply "well he's the exception, and you're not him"
EXCEPTIONAL......
Well said and agreed i think people are missing the point.
How so? Thats my point Roy would be even great today if he had half the fundamental skill... You guys get your panties all in a bunch, thinking people are taking anything away from Roy... I sure is hell aint the man was subperb and a phenom.. But let the truth be told he has horrible fundamentals and that was his demise and fall from grace
Lol im not getting my panties all in a bunch at all im just debating with you and he is like Michael Johnson of boxing bad technique maybe but still exceptional.
well i was just commenting on what floyd sr said..and he never said why he felt roy wasn't exceptional...and all the comments about roy not having fundamentals just came out of nowhere..because not once did floyd mention fundamentals...so anyone commenting on roy's fundamentals IMO were just looking to say something negative (abeit truthful) about roy, but only discussing whether or not he was exceptional..is the case and he was
certainly not me discrediting Roy, I am one of his biggest fans... I just call it like it is... Thats like digging on Hopkins for not possesing great handspeed, it didnt take away from he has done, its just a fact. Like I stated not taking anything away from Roy, just presenting a fact, thats all
i understand, but the article..floyd sr never mentioned fundamentals....so i don't know why it was mentioned anyway..that's what i don't understand, if anyone was just commenting on what Sr said then i don't see why anyone would argue against roy being exceptional...
Just seemed like an appropriate segway for the topic... Its not the 1st time a point got expanded on a thread around here, as a matter of fact happens everytime :P
