Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.
Not for big power punchers he wouldn't like Tyson or Foreman.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Wlad never fought anyone who could jab and move like Ali or Holmes. Those guys would give him fits IMO. He'd be a tough fight for any HW who ever lived IMO though, just on his size, strength and skill alone.
Not for big power punchers he wouldn't like Tyson or Foreman.
Well Wlad is a big puncher with quick accurate shots as well, I'd pick Foreman or prime Tyson over him any day but I'd still have to say his physical tools makes him a big risk for either of them. Good jab, hard right hand, Wlad is a real good fighter.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.
Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
It is almost comical how people think Ali would mop the floor with Wladimir.Without ANY COMPARABLE fighter from his era to go by there is no way you can come to that conclusion.The guys Wladimir has lost to are MUCH bigger punchers than Ali except for Puritty but that was more from inexperience going 12 rounds than anything.Nobody had the physical abilities of Wladimir back then NOBODY.
Foreman would beat him senseless..... ;) your right though, it takes great athleticism to flail around like a retard when you get hit on the chin like that.... Those mentioned Heavies were professinal fighters with heart, determination and steely will..... Wlad has yet to demonstrate those abilities...
I can tell you are being very diplomatic about this. ::**I personally like to rely on facts rather than just believe Ali would beat everyone because he is the self proclaimed greatest of all time.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.Foreman could punch but was not effecient with his punches and they were very wide shots.Wladimir throws much straighter shots and much faster.I could go on and on but if you don't like Wladimir I am not going to waste my time trying to convince you.
Wlad is an ok fighter he isn't great by any means yes he has skills and good jab but when i watch Wlad he has never shouted wow at me when i watch him i just see decent hw with a bad chin and he would get beat by Holmes Lewis Foreman Tyson i would give Ruddock a shot aswell.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
.The fact still is Ali never fought a guy that was as fast, as strong, as quick, as big, as skilled as Wladimir is in one package.
Thats very true, but at the same token Wlad has never fought someone with the footspeed, handspeed, jab, chin and ring generalship of Muhammad Ali.
Exactly my point.That is why there is no way to come to any reasonable conclusion because there is nothing to base it on.So you can't just believe Ali would beat him just because he was Ali.
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Ali (outboxes him and probably gets a late stoppage)
Holmes (outboxes him)
Liston (Ko's him)
Louis (Brutally Ko's him)
Forman (Almost gets charged with murder)
Lewis (This one is closed to those under 18)
Frazier (one good left hook ends it late unless wlad busts him open)
Tyson ( :-X )
Tunney (meh i'll give him this one)
Rocky (Uhhh yeah this one doesn't take long. Rock crushes glass ;D )
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to be KO'd by all of them.How about that.
I completely agree :)
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to be KO'd by all of them.How about that.
I completely agree :)
Hey wait a minute. ;)
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
Re: Wladimer isn't a great but i give him a chance against some of the greats
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Wladimir has the ability to KO all of them.How about that.
Yes but he wouldn't.
And why is this do they have force fields? ::**
No but does Wlad ?? jeez Wlad is decent thats it decent he hasn't even dominated weakest era of hws yet and has been koed by Sanders for crying out loud the guy who likes golf more than boxing most on that list would tear Wlad apart.
