Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
APPRECIATION
Congrats Big guy :appl: you have earned my respect and avenged the biggest blemish on your career despite a broken finger that requires an arm cast. you certainly proved me wrong you have made great strides mentally and Technically and are undoubtedly the king pin at Heavy for Now, depending how Sam Peter has improved and your brothers comeback go's....
HATING
Although you are the best Heavy and regained your legitamacy.. I still cant embrace you as a fan, I cant even think of you with the likes of Louis, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes,Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis . There is something missing about you, I think its your tentativeness and propensity to not hold your ground and clinch at the 1st sign a fighter comes alive. you appear to be a bundle of nerves and lack the killer instinct in the ring and I think you have a soft ticker and I dont think of that when I think of a good-great Heavyweight. I feel you are not even 1/2 of the warrior as your prodessors were and that is sad for the tradition rich Heavyweight division :-\
Last nite was one of the boringest Heavyweight Fights I have ever seen, Brewster didnt want to fight and lacked heart and interest, you could have demolished him easily but where content on just jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, jabbing, pawing, pawing, jab. :cwm33: it works for you and thats good I guess, but dosent motivate me to get anymore interested in the Heavyweight division
not half the warrior of his predessors...based on what????
wlad has gotten up every time he has been knocked down..
boring fights you have ever seen... yeah spinks-taylor dlh-mayweather and the simms fight just blew that away
you discredit brewster heart and will... get peppered w/ 100 of wlads jabs and see how much you can come forward... he is also a pro HW and your questioning his heart and will?? brewsters hearts and will was concidered legendary before the klitchko fight...he fought most of a fight with a detached retina for gods sake... but his heart and will suddenly wasnt there when he fought last night??? alot of that had to do w/ wlad dont you think?
see i dont want to seem like i just worship the feet wlad walks on but alot of critisism wlad gets even form good posters like jt rock still give mostly pure opinion that one could say the same about mayweather, hatton, or anyone today..
did gatti have will against mayweather sure he did he just wasnt on his level ... same with brewster...
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Wlad has fought by far the best competition of any HW since Lewis...
byrd beat vitali.. concidered a dangerous threat the first time they fought....
peter was a very dangerous opponent for him especially at that point in his career, sanders was a risky fight, both brewster fights were risky all very hard punchers...
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Fire
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
that aint saying much
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Go ahead Lyle... measure him with the same stick you do Mayweather with
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Wlad has fought by far the best competition of any HW since Lewis...
byrd beat vitali.. concidered a dangerous threat the first time they fought....
peter was a very dangerous opponent for him especially at that point in his career, sanders was a risky fight, both brewster fights were risky all very hard punchers...
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
Since Lewis left hw era has been weak so thats not saying whole lot is it ?? Byrd only beat Vitali because of injury Vitali had plus Vitali was dominating Byrd 1st Brewster fight was not a risk Brewster had beaten nobody at that time and was not really considered to give Wlad trouble at all so that is why it was considered a major upset i agree with Sanders fight though.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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he'll fade away..because Vitaly is coming back this nov..and he's the real champion...
Sorry JonesJrMayweather, now JT Rock is absolutely right and
I find amusing how he and Punisher agree on this one, with your statement I can't agree with... Since you seem to be a wise, senseful and pretty neutral fan, man, let me ask ya... How come Vitaly sticks that left lead and leans his head back as he does so? Then combines the jab with a fast right but discharges the power and leaves the right hand there ( even vs Kirk Johnson)??? The guy is so damn tentative and cautious that if he didn't have power he wouldn't be better than Henry Akinwande...
The real Champ that quitter ( vs Byrd, never fought Rahman), get outa here!!!
He's coming back and would you wanna take byrd's or rahman's chances of beating Vitali here on out for the rest of their career? I didn't think so. The byrd thing was THE luckiest break in boxing history and rahman isn't good enough to be "ducked" (his claim to fame is a ko against an out of shape lennox lewis who took him,lightly, ir efer you to the rematch). Why is Vitali a better champ despite his less refined skills you ask? Because Vitali was never dropped 4 times in 2 rounds to look like a helpless infant fighting a bear. He was holding his own against lennox (something wlad could never do) and thats his only legit loss. Yeah he quit against byrd and because of it byrd has been hyped up to something much better than he actually is but i'll take vitali over any boxer in this division right now given the fact that he is healthy.
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Peter beat no one of relevance at the time, Brock is a fringe contender at best and will remain so for the rest of his career, and chris byrd's "longest" reign consisted of 5 defences in 4 years against nobodies.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by joedadi
Klitschko, overly protected yet possibly the top heavyweight now, earned, gained nothing last night.
Brewster hadn't fought in a year, hadn't won in two years. Brock, Byrd and the rest where carefully chosen because they where light punching opponents. Even in the weak division, Wlad can find more guys to avoid than to fight.
Undefeated Sam Peter, Undefeated Calvin Brock, Chris Byrd the longest reigning champion of that time.
Who the hell is out there that you want to see him beat? No matter who it is he'll beat them easy and you'll still be complaining.
Peter in a rematch
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Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Fire
come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
that aint saying much
peter, brewter, and sanders can hit as hard as any three of any era besides maybe forman, ali, frazier
that is saying a h#ll of alot...
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OHHHHH see I was confused because the talk then was "Wlad is going to get KO'd" and now it's "Sam wasn't experienced enough".....well I still don't see Sam Peter beating Wladimir at ANY point in his career.
Calvin Brock earned his shot....no one would know how good or not good Calvin was if he never got the chance to fight anyone like Wladimir.
Maybe you could clone Mike Tyson and have them fight or maybe you could clone someone who gives a fuck about you and your hatred of Wladimir Klitschko.....everyone wants a dominant heavyweight and one comes along and all of a sudden he ain't fucking good enough for you.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Fire
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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come to think of it i think wlad has faced every huge puncher of the current HW's today...
that aint saying much
peter, brewter, and sanders can hit as hard as any three of any era besides maybe forman, ali, frazier
that is saying a h#ll of alot...
Uhh
Ike Ibeabuchi
David Tua
Rocky Marciano
Razor Ruddock
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Earnie Shavers
p4p these all hit harder you question my hw knowledge now i will question yours.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
I'm sure they hit harder than Ali and probably Frazier, but not Foreman. Anyways how do you get Ali being comparison for a big puncher? Pick Shavers, Dempsey, Louis, Tyson, etc.,etc. but just saying Ali and Frazier makes me quesiton your knowledge of the sport.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Fire
mayweather, hatton, or anyone today..
:lolhaha:   now thats funny!!!! you just mentioned the #1 PFP fighter in the world as well as anonther top 10 PFP, that are both undefeated and never been KO'D and embarassed.. those 2 will have greater legacies when they finally decide to hang them up, where the images of Wlad flailing around the ring like a Floppy cock whenever he is pressured and pressed, along with getting sparked out by overachievers, nobodies and never will be's... Thats why I will not be a fan
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Originally Posted by Fire
did gatti have will against mayweather sure he did he just wasnt on his level ... same with brewster...
NO COMPARISON
Brewster was tentative from the bell and didnt even try, Wlad just farted around for 6 rounds unwilling to open up with combos and left hooks to put Brewster away.... Brewster had 0 drive and seemed diintersted and there for a payday after a long lay off.
Floyd didnt jab the balls off Gatti he ripped him to piecies with an array, bodyshots, hooks, straight rightsand  6-7 punch combos... Then Mcgirt still had to fight and wrestle the mouthpiece out of Gatti's mouth.
Re: Hating And Appreciating All In The Same Thread(Wladimir Klitschko)
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Originally Posted by Lyle
OHHHHH see I was confused because the talk then was "Wlad is going to get KO'd" and now it's "Sam wasn't experienced enough".....well I still don't see Sam Peter beating Wladimir at ANY point in his career.
Calvin Brock earned his shot....no one would know how good or not good Calvin was if he never got the chance to fight anyone like Wladimir.
Maybe you could clone Mike Tyson and have them fight or maybe you could clone someone who gives a fuck about you and your hatred of Wladimir Klitschko.....everyone wants a dominant heavyweight and one comes along and all of a sudden he ain't fucking good enough for you.
Lyle, i'm asking this as a friend, please quit hugging his nuts so hard before you pull something. ;D
I bring up something i'm a hater, i don't say anything you "proved" me wrong but like i said, You best pray to your god that he never loses again for the rest of his natural born life against somebody who isn't a "first class" heavyweight. Like him all you want to, i'm never gonna be a fan of his because of things i've seen in the past just like you'll never bad talk him regardless of what happens to him from here on out. By the way make sure you clean off the poster, i'm sure its almost impossible to see by now.
