P4P in the future?

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

Altho Bhop could be if he wins against Winky..

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And Mosely could be back if he wins another big fight.

Actually there's been a few guys Hopkins, Jones, Mosely, De La Hoya, Mayweather, De La Hoya, Morales and Barrera who have been at the top of the tree for a long time. With all these guys seemingly on the way out the rankings have been made wide open for new blood.

Pacquiao will be around for a while, and Cotto should establish himself there. As for the other current P4P stars, the Marquez brothers, Calzaghe, Hatton, Taylor etc, I can see all of them retiring or in the case of Taylor being dethroned within the next 24 months.

I'll go out on a limb and say NONE of the current P4P guys will still be top 10 P4P in 5 years. Cotto probably will be, but I'm not sure if he's officially in the Ring Top 10 yet?

I'm sure half of the top 10 though will be fighters that none of us have even heard of though lol,

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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I like Paulie he's an exciting fighter but I think his lack of power will stop him from becoming great. Kessler could be p4p then but I've got a feeling his time will have come and gone in 5 years, same for Clottey and Pavlik.

No way Ricky or Manny are still around I think Ricky is talking about only 2 or 3 more fights, Pacquio wants to be out in a couple years too.

Duddy is an exciting fighter but I'd be suprised if he even won a world title let alone got into the P4P list.

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I said I tried did not say how good my list was lol. In my opinion with boxing you can never tell. That is why I don't like to predict how things will end up. A guy is on top today gets knocked out and is never the same again.

It is just a wait and see process

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No need to be apologetic, everone's opinion is equally valid, unless the post is made by TysonBruno that is ;D

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Ever the diplomat VD ;)

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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If Cotto is still about in five years he is still gonna be better than Paulie. Other than that i think Clottey is the forgotten man at 147, and has claims. Good work.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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Originally Posted by nonito (formerly eagle)

I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

#1) B By my calculations in 5 years the Bean will be hittin the scales at a trim & ready 2000lbs.
2) U That averages out to 10- 200 lb'ers & will be so big that he will be forced to have 10 licenses
3) T to compete. This will qualify him for the top 10 spots. He will be voted in by a panel of writers,
4) T sportscasters, fellow fighters, & fans alike. The Bean will wreak havoc on the fighting world
5) E & devour anyone who stands in his way. I have forseen the future. All hail The Bean!!!
6) R :Sarcasm:
7) B Hey, what did u expect. We are trying to predict the future. ;D
8) E
9) A Props to u guys that even give it a shot.
10) N

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

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Because he's still on the list. Malignaggi doesn't deserve to be any p4p lists. Present or future.

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I noticed all the guys who said my list was laughable havent tried themselves to make one. Easy to criticise, not easy to put your own list out there.
Come on Nando you hero, if im retarded lets see your list.

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I gave you credit for your list. Even admitted I stink when it comes to making them. But since you have had more detractors then people who have given at least an honest effort befor shooting your list down I will try.

I just want to state this first. They are in no particular order and I did mention I am not good at P4P list current or future.

1.Paul Malinaggi- I think he will just keep getting better with time

2. Mikkel Kessler-Even if he loses to Calzaghe he will continue to improve

3. Kelly Pavlik- Not a fan but he showed in the Miranda bout he can box as well as fight

4. John Duddy- They are bringing him along at the perfect pace. He is getting better all the time. Assuming He has a decent chin he has a big future ahead of him

5. Miguel Cotto- He gets better and better

6. Ricky Hatton-He will only be 32 or 33 and still have plenty left in him assuming he does not get into too many upcoming wars

7. Juan Diaz- The baby bull has potential as long as he does not get starched by a top guy before then and have his confidence ruined. He is on top of the lightweight division right now but he is still young

8 Manny Pacquiao- He is still just 28 as like Hatton assuming he does not get played out in any wars

9. Nonito Doniare- I do not think the Darchinyan win was a fluke. Even if he loses a re-match this kid has a big future ahead of him

10-Joshua Clottey-The tweo fights he lost were just bad luck. Broken hand and a DQ. If he went ot 154 he would dominate with ease

I tried ;D

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You right. You stink at making lists. Cuz this list is just terrible. Malinaggi is a joke. He'll beat the journeyman fighter (N'dou) but he'll always lose to the top fighters. Duddy is severely overrated. Ancient Yory Boy Campos by all rights beat him. 5 years from now Hatton and Pacquiao will be used up (to many wars). Diaz will be exposed if he ever meets Casamayor. Pavlik is good, but not p4p material. Doniare needs more than just one win. And Clottey is pretty much living off a loss (Margarito) and a win against a fighter (Corrales) moving up 2 weight classes. He'll have a hard time at 154.

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Maybe or Maybe not

I still think you are wrong about Malinaggi

If you read what I wrote about Hatton and Pacquiao. I think I stated something about depends on if they get into too many wars. Thanks for repeating me. Just in case I did not understand when I WROTE it.

I can almost bet money you at one time said Miranda would KO Pavlik as well right?

As for Clottey he broke his hand in what the 6th round?? Margarito still just squeeked by. His other loss is a DQ to Baldomir.

Who is such a huge threat at 154?

Clottey can box decent. Has good Power and a good chin. He is well rounded

So please really point out where my list is so unimaginable?

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Your pick for number 1 is really what makes your list a complete joke. Malinaggi reminds me of another fast fighter who was taught very highly of. Ed Hopson. Only he don't hit as hard as Hopson did. I think he'll suffer the same fate. I did pick Miranda to knock Pavlik out. I was wrong and I gave Pavlik his credit. At no time did I ever have the limited Miranda as a p4p fighter. So I don't see how beating him would make Pavlik a p4p fighter. Especially since I'm going against him again and picking Taylor. As for Clottey? If the question was who can be a future champion. I probably would of picked Clottey. He's a good fighter. But he's not a p4p fighter. 5 years from now Cotto and Williams will most likely be fighting at 154. As will Cintron, Joel Julio and Andre Berto. I don't see Clottey dominating any one of those fighters.

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i gotta agree :coolclick:

paul at #1 stops me from being interested at that list, from that alone its obvious the list is a complete joke. paul will never even reach top 10 p4p, let alone numero uno. He'll always get pounded by elites.

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If you guys are determined to criticise her picks so much at least do her the courtesy of reading her post correctly. She said clearly her rankings were NOT in any order so why are you talking as if Malignaggi is number 1? ??? ::**

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uhh, your the one who didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said paul at what he had written the #1 had made me lose interest in going any further with her list, because paul p4p has got to be a joke.

2012 It's an era where boxers act more like fighters and less like promoters.
Muhammad Ali has died, and there is an award named after him in his honor.
Yes, the threat of UFC has changed the game a bit, it's more competitive, less avoiding, but boxing isn't dead and UFC is still more popular, but boxing fans are still happy. ESPN has been making better fights. Versus and NBC have been showing some quality prospects. Showtime has reluctantly resigned from the boxing business, their team has moved to espn, nbc, or versus. (Note: Nobody really has an undefeated record, maybe Andy Lee.) HBO has vowed to have less ppv fights.

1 Miguel Cotto: He lost to Margarito in his youth, but his experience, intelligence, and staying power earned him the top spot.
2 Manny Pacquiao: Finally he faced someone who could decision him. He fought many great wars.
3 Andy Lee: Won a belt over a well known fighter, through a risky gamble with the champ.
4 Kelly Pavlik: Very poplar in Vegas, many compare his venues to Tyson type auras.
5 Antonio Margarito: Aging now, but always consistent, he lost, but always brought his A-game, a Hagler type.
6 Joan Guzman: He lost to Manny when he was younger, had wars with now aging Soto, but when Pac is gone, he is sure to take over.
7 Wladimir Klitschko: Him and Steward made a great team.
8 Mikkel Kessler: Germany loves this kid, he's had his ups and downs but he's legit.
9 Pauli Malinaggi: Down in the pound for pound list, from being number 7.
10 Rafael Marquez: Nemesis, Vazquez, has recently announced his retirement.
11 Edwin Valero: Still fighting in Japan, can't find a marquee matchup to break the top ten, but keeps winning.



Warren has kept Amir Kahn pretty safe for awhile.
In 2011, Amir suffered a suprise knockout, Larry Merchant cried.
Yes... Larry is still alive and on HBO. haha

Chavez is good, but not great. He's now a gatekeeper of his division. He fills arenas too, much the way Gatti used to.

Andre Berto, suffered multiple knockouts. He's talented, and fought through hard fights. Future is in question.

John Duddy dies after a brutal boxing match. A very tough warrior. All heart, less talent.

Juan Diaz is a favorite but couldn't get past the best. Has fallen from the top ten p4p.

Mayweather hasn't retired, but fights when he pleases. Many are tired of his antics.

Donaire was shot in the back by Vic Darchinyan. Vic is still serving life in prison.

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1 Miguel Cotto: He lost to Margarito in his youth, but his experience, intelligence, and staying power earned him the top spot.
2 Manny Pacquiao: Finally he faced someone who could decision him. He fought many great wars.
3 Andy Lee: Won a belt over a well known fighter, through a risky gamble with the champ.
4 Kelly Pavlik: Very poplar in Vegas, many compare his venues to Tyson type auras.
5 Antonio Margarito: Aging now, but always consistent, he lost, but always brought his A-game, a Hagler type.
6 Joan Guzman: He lost to Manny when he was younger, had wars with now aging Soto, but when Pac is gone, he is sure to take over.
7 Wladimir Klitschko: Him and Steward made a great team.
8 Mikkel Kessler: Germany loves this kid, he's had his ups and downs but he's legit.
9 Pauli Malinaggi: Down in the pound for pound list, from being number 7.
10 Rafael Marquez: Nemesis, Vazquez, has recently announced his retirement.
11 Edwin Valero: Still fighting in Japan, can't find a marquee matchup to break the top ten, but keeps winning.

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First of all - I like this list. I think too many people here overestimate how much things will change in 5 years. Honestly, looking at todays potential php's, quite many are at least a few years older than 30. Put in another way - it is much easier to stay in a p4p list than to get there. So most names on the list are likely to be boxers who are already well known now, perhaps even fighters who could arguably be considered world class already.

Anyway, I dont have the knowledge to make even a so-so list. But I thought I would make a list of 10 fighters who are yet to be named in this thread, and who I feel could feature in a p4p list in 5 years. But bear in mind that any fighter on the current p4p-list, as well as those prospects mentioned by others have as good - or better - chance of eventually being there.

In no particular order:

- Humberto Soto (27). People are already talking about him as a threat. In 5 years MAB, JMM and perhaps even Pacquaio are likely to be away, and then he could very well be among the biggest names below 140.

- Giovanni Lorenzo (26). Middleweight prospect. Should get a title shot within 2-3 years, could very well take it. Also, if Taylor, Pavlik etc moves up (and we all expect them to do that), he has as good a shot as anybody at ruling 160.

- Jorge Linares (21). 23-0 and with a Vegas debut coming up, I am surprised he is a not a feature on everybody's lists.

- Michael Katsidis (26). I honestly dont know if he has the tools, but at least his style will bring him fans and - hopefully - therefore big fights. And he is surely more likely to take p4p advantage of this than John Duddy.

- Zaurbek Baysangurov (22). No, I dont believe this one either. But I really wanted to include a Russian (or ex-Soviet) fighter, and I am not really familiar with that many prospects from that area (especially if we are not counting heavyweights). And I truly believe that Russia and Russian money has the potential to change the sport a fair bit within the next years. Everybody who follows (English) football know how much Russian Oil (and gas) money can alter a sport, and if they start throwing their weight behind boxing - well, expect them to be a force. Just this fall we will see a number of intriguing HW match-ups in Russia, expect much more of this in the years to come.

- Lucian Bute (27). Somebody already mentioned Jean Pascal, Bute is the other interesting SMW coming out of Canada. Expect him to win the IBF title this year, and if he can hang in there in possibly the most interesting division in the years to come, he might just creep in at a low number on the p4p-rankings.

- Yoan Pablo Hernandez (22). Former Cuban Olympian, now pro cruiserweight and fighting out of Germany. Not quite the potential of an Odlanier Solis, but since I refuse to include heavyweights on a p4p-list, Hernandez it is.

- Daniel Ponce De Leon (26). Hmm. It's not impossible, especially not if the other big names around his weight class start to slip and/or retire.

- Hozumi Hasegawa (26). Stays in Japan, but retains his WBC belt and eventually gains respect. Has hit eye set on domestic mega-fight against Koki Kameda.

- Arthur Abraham (27). Stays relatively protected in Germany, perhaps having 8-10 fights in those 5 years. As he keeps winning against at least semi-respected fighters, he eventually creeps in on the lower end of the p4p ranking.

i'll do yall one better.....i'll tell u in 5 years!!