Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
After he beat Ruiz Jones was asked about Hoopkins that was his response
After he lost to Tarver the second was his response
Now that nobody cares,Roy seems reall eager to fight either B-hop,or Calzeghe for that matter,but nobody cares anymore
Hey,what do Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson both have in common,other then beating Roy Jones Jr?
Who cares what fighters say when they are done... in thier primes, hopkins had a chance to fight roy, he let money get in his way, if he called him out when roy was getting on, and knocking about up at at heavys, well then that says it all
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
Better question is what does this do to Wright
I dont think much because of the rise in weight
Re: OK ALL Critics aside...WHere does Hopkins Rank Now...
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
What no one can answer the question with out taking shots at the guy?
There's nothing good to say. You said it all for me though. He's dirty and I still think he lost last night so all that did was make me like boxings politics less.
OK that tells me two things
1. You did not read the post because I never said he was dirty I said I don't want to hear the comments about him being dirty or any other comments like that...I want honset opinions on where he ranks...
2. You don't have to like him to know the difference between being a fan and knowing boxing....If all you have to say about an 11 year Middleweight champion with the most defenses of all time and current Ring LHW champion...Who has on his resume names like Trinidada and DLH that he disposed of without breaking a sweat...the number 3 is obvious
3. You know S*** about boxing
I forgot more than you'll ever know about boxing first of all. You're the one that was begging for a response so don't cry like a bi*** when you get it.
If you don't wnna hear that he's dirty then you should have said that you only want hopkins backers replying to your post. Even some of of them are not as blind as you and realize he's a dirty fighter and wouldn't be anywhere near where he is if not for illegal tactics.
You forgot ore about Boxing then I'll ever Know :LMAO: :lol: :LOLATYOU: :lolhaha: :moon: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:
Don't embaress yourself any more then you already have.You have not even made a valid point on your post you are a :jester:
And your Tough Guy B**** Comments impress no one here at all...
Comments like that are usually made by people who are frustrated and have nothing worth while to reply with.....
Go Study Up Junior...Come back with the few facts you learn off the internet to try and make people think you actually do know something.....
You Have A good Day
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
After he beat Ruiz Jones was asked about Hoopkins that was his response
After he lost to Tarver the second was his response
Now that nobody cares,Roy seems reall eager to fight either B-hop,or Calzeghe for that matter,but nobody cares anymore
Hey,what do Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson both have in common,other then beating Roy Jones Jr?
Who cares what fighters say when they are done... in thier primes, hopkins had a chance to fight roy, he let money get in his way, if he called him out when roy was getting on, and knocking about up at at heavys, well then that says it all
When Roy's getting on?
Hopkins is 4 years older then Roy
Re: OK ALL Critics aside...WHere does Hopkins Rank Now...
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
All right with out anyone saying he used his head,,,,Winky was smaller,, Hopkins was dirty,,,, The ring was too small,, Winky had a hangnail,, He timed his coffee wrong ect or anything else that can be thought of.....
I am looking for answers on just over all career wise.....
He is one of the greatest Middleweights of all time and now he has jumped up 2 divisions and had two fights against the top names in the sport
Where does this put Bernard on the all time list?.....
Where does it put him as a great of our era?.....
He has a good resume...He has been dominate....Most of all he has been able to be a top guy in his 40's....Something fighters have done in the past but mostly Heavyweights and LHW's....
If you had to rank Hopkins where would he fall???
would prolly put him in the 40's-60's really... Whislt most people seem to love hopkins and think hes so great, i can't see it.. he is a very good boxer i give him massive props for doing what hes doing now at his age... still, what prime fighter has he taken out who are real names? tito and Oscar, neither were Middle's...
hopkins as far as i'm concerned should of left middle years ago, he liked it there coz he could coast it, when he got beat and had to leave he went up to the next weakest divsion at the time, skipping SMW to fight an overhyped tarver... the 20 defenses and total unification is enough to make him a great, but he aint up there with the cream of the greats, he never chased the big dangerous fights... to often he let them slip bye...
Echols,Joppy,Eastman,Holmes,Vanderpool,and undefeated 32-0 Glen Johnson(you may remember that name,he took Roy Jones Jrs head off),and now Winky Wright
And he called Roy Jones out for years,only to get dodged
Bernard hopkins talsk about fighting everyone and hardly any of them come off... All hopkins had to do to fight jones was just step up and take the 40% - there are just 2 simple reasons why hopkins didnt fight jones IMo and they are A) he new he would not beat him and rather stayed in a weak devision and make his money there or B) he really did think he was entitled to a 50-50 split, even tho jones had already beat him with one hand and was a 3 weight undisouted world champion, and all hopkins had done was beat tito...
I honestly don't know what one i would go for? I men Hopkins rather stayed at Mw fighting 'decent; fighters for years after he beat tito, all along he was making F*** all? there were fihts he went into in his home state of PA wher ehe didnt even know how much he was walking away with, wasn't he making under a mil for one or two fights, when he was the undisputed Mw champ? he choose that over $3m pay days with joe, a chance to become a 2 devision WC, or 40% of RJJ, and that would of been easily around 5 mill at that time??
CC# 329...Though I don't totally agree with your answer you make Valid points.....IMO he is not the greatest I was just curious where some people felt he belonged....I was in no way trying to build up Hopkins or make a case for him one way or the other.....Just like to know how everyone else ranks him according to where I do....
IMO as middleweight he is in the top 3 or 4....As an all time fighter I think I put him a little higher somewhere around the high 20's to the mid 30's
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
After he beat Ruiz Jones was asked about Hoopkins that was his response
After he lost to Tarver the second was his response
Now that nobody cares,Roy seems reall eager to fight either B-hop,or Calzeghe for that matter,but nobody cares anymore
Hey,what do Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson both have in common,other then beating Roy Jones Jr?
Who cares what fighters say when they are done... in thier primes, hopkins had a chance to fight roy, he let money get in his way, if he called him out when roy was getting on, and knocking about up at at heavys, well then that says it all
When Roy's getting on?
Hopkins is 4 years older then Roy
Its hard to really choose what is what when it comes to Roy and Bernard..
They are both Atg's..
But its not unfair to say that while roy was getting worse that bernard just got better with age
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
At the end of the day though,its almost impossable to slot guys all time when theyre still fighting
Everyone thought Tyson would be one of the all-timers
And while he still had a great career,it isnt top 5
Both Hopkins and Wright have some great achievements to point to though
Re: OK ALL Critics aside...WHere does Hopkins Rank Now...
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
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Originally Posted by Preme
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
All right with out anyone saying he used his head,,,,Winky was smaller,, Hopkins was dirty,,,, The ring was too small,, Winky had a hangnail,, He timed his coffee wrong ect or anything else that can be thought of.....
I am looking for answers on just over all career wise.....
He is one of the greatest Middleweights of all time and now he has jumped up 2 divisions and had two fights against the top names in the sport
Where does this put Bernard on the all time list?.....
Where does it put him as a great of our era?.....
He has a good resume...He has been dominate....Most of all he has been able to be a top guy in his 40's....Something fighters have done in the past but mostly Heavyweights and LHW's....
If you had to rank Hopkins where would he fall???
would prolly put him in the 40's-60's really... Whislt most people seem to love hopkins and think hes so great, i can't see it.. he is a very good boxer i give him massive props for doing what hes doing now at his age... still, what prime fighter has he taken out who are real names? tito and Oscar, neither were Middle's...
hopkins as far as i'm concerned should of left middle years ago, he liked it there coz he could coast it, when he got beat and had to leave he went up to the next weakest divsion at the time, skipping SMW to fight an overhyped tarver... the 20 defenses and total unification is enough to make him a great, but he aint up there with the cream of the greats, he never chased the big dangerous fights... to often he let them slip bye...
Echols,Joppy,Eastman,Holmes,Vanderpool,and undefeated 32-0 Glen Johnson(you may remember that name,he took Roy Jones Jrs head off),and now Winky Wright
And he called Roy Jones out for years,only to get dodged
Bernard hopkins talsk about fighting everyone and hardly any of them come off... All hopkins had to do to fight jones was just step up and take the 40% - there are just 2 simple reasons why hopkins didnt fight jones IMo and they are A) he new he would not beat him and rather stayed in a weak devision and make his money there or B) he really did think he was entitled to a 50-50 split, even tho jones had already beat him with one hand and was a 3 weight undisouted world champion, and all hopkins had done was beat tito...
I honestly don't know what one i would go for? I men Hopkins rather stayed at Mw fighting 'decent; fighters for years after he beat tito, all along he was making F*** all? there were fihts he went into in his home state of PA wher ehe didnt even know how much he was walking away with, wasn't he making under a mil for one or two fights, when he was the undisputed Mw champ? he choose that over $3m pay days with joe, a chance to become a 2 devision WC, or 40% of RJJ, and that would of been easily around 5 mill at that time??
CC# 329...Though I don't totally agree with your answer you make Valid points.....Unlike some other guys Named Bx730NY....IMO he is not the greatest I was just curious where some people felt he belonged....I was in no way trying to build up Hopkins or make a case for him one way or the other.....Just like to know how everyone else ranks him according to where I do....
IMO as middleweight he is in the top 3 or 4....As an all time fighter I think I put him a little higher somewhere around the high 20's to the mid 30's
without a doub hopkins is a top few at middle of all time, the other thing i have with placing fighters now, is boxing has been going on for sooooo long, evn the top 40 or 50 in the ATG list is still highly respectable group to be in...
but again with hopkins, he did need to be able to have a mega fight with a prime proven middleweight or LHW, or even if they wern't a prime, a fighter just starting to get old, Roy had Toney, and a good few names, sadly hopkins in his prime had to former Welters as his greatest wins, and with the talent out there and there being no reason why he couldn't step up, that will always stop me form putting hopkins high up in any great list..
CC back btw...
Re: OK ALL Critics aside...WHere does Hopkins Rank Now...
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
What no one can answer the question with out taking shots at the guy?
There's nothing good to say. You said it all for me though. He's dirty and I still think he lost last night so all that did was make me like boxings politics less.
OK that tells me two things
1. You did not read the post because I never said he was dirty I said I don't want to hear the comments about him being dirty or any other comments like that...I want honset opinions on where he ranks...
2. You don't have to like him to know the difference between being a fan and knowing boxing....If all you have to say about an 11 year Middleweight champion with the most defenses of all time and current Ring LHW champion...Who has on his resume names like Trinidada and DLH that he disposed of without breaking a sweat...the number 3 is obvious
3. You know S*** about boxing
I forgot more than you'll ever know about boxing first of all. You're the one that was begging for a response so don't cry like a bi*** when you get it.
If you don't wnna hear that he's dirty then you should have said that you only want hopkins backers replying to your post. Even some of of them are not as blind as you and realize he's a dirty fighter and wouldn't be anywhere near where he is if not for illegal tactics.
You forgot ore about Boxing then I'll ever Know :LMAO: :lol: :LOLATYOU: :lolhaha: :moon: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:
Don't embaress yourself any more then you already have.You have not even made a valid point on your post you are a :jester:
And your Tough Guy B**** Comments impress no one here at all...
Comments like that are usually made by people who are frustrated and have nothing worth while to reply with.....
Go Study Up Junior...Come back with the few facts you learn off the internet to try and make people think you actually do know something.....
You Have A good Day
Daxx, you asked for an opinion and he gave you an opinion.
Is this a forum for boxing fans or just arrogant boxing "geniuses" ?
It is funny you are calling him the "tough guy" when you are the one who attacked him for stating his opinion.
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
Bra,calling someone a B****?
Thats a little over the top
And on top of it,the guys wrong
Ive seen B-hop fight clean,Ive seen him fight dirty
Just as with every other fighter out there
Hell the 2 punches Liakovich took Brewster out with were both to the back of the head
And Brewster gets no sympathy,he was hitting him with elbows all night
It'll be a cold day in hell when Holyfield gets through an entire fight without an intentional headbut
Hell we have Sonny Liston on tape,blatantly showing why thumbs are attached now
Some of the most blatantly dirty crap Ive seen in Hopkins fights,have been done to him
I think hip-tossing someone and seperating their shoulder is a little worse then popping someone on the thigh in a clinch
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ideas? Does B Hop move top3? How far does Winky drop?
Neither of them should be in the p4p top10, but they have US passports
I agree with this completely
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by danchar123
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Originally Posted by Peter Plys 44
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ideas? Does B Hop move top3? How far does Winky drop?
Neither of them should be in the p4p top10, but they have US passports
I agree with this completely
Oh really?.. Do tell us why then ? ;)
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
i would love to see hopkins-calzaghe.i believe that hopkins is the easiest of the 'super fights' for calzaghe.Kessler is the most dangerous opponenet for him,but without really knowing what goes on i can only guess that kessler is the only one that truly wanted to fight calzaghe.hopkins sure as hell dont want any of it!
Re: OK ALL Critics aside...WHere does Hopkins Rank Now...
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Originally Posted by dasamm
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by Bx730NY
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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn
What no one can answer the question with out taking shots at the guy?
There's nothing good to say. You said it all for me though. He's dirty and I still think he lost last night so all that did was make me like boxings politics less.
OK that tells me two things
1. You did not read the post because I never said he was dirty I said I don't want to hear the comments about him being dirty or any other comments like that...I want honset opinions on where he ranks...
2. You don't have to like him to know the difference between being a fan and knowing boxing....If all you have to say about an 11 year Middleweight champion with the most defenses of all time and current Ring LHW champion...Who has on his resume names like Trinidada and DLH that he disposed of without breaking a sweat...the number 3 is obvious
3. You know S*** about boxing
I forgot more than you'll ever know about boxing first of all. You're the one that was begging for a response so don't cry like a bi*** when you get it.
If you don't wnna hear that he's dirty then you should have said that you only want hopkins backers replying to your post. Even some of of them are not as blind as you and realize he's a dirty fighter and wouldn't be anywhere near where he is if not for illegal tactics.
You forgot ore about Boxing then I'll ever Know :LMAO: :lol: :LOLATYOU: :lolhaha: :moon: :lolhaha: :lolololol: :LOLATYOU:
Don't embaress yourself any more then you already have.You have not even made a valid point on your post you are a :jester:
And your Tough Guy B**** Comments impress no one here at all...
Comments like that are usually made by people who are frustrated and have nothing worth while to reply with.....
Go Study Up Junior...Come back with the few facts you learn off the internet to try and make people think you actually do know something.....
You Have A good Day
Daxx, you asked for an opinion and he gave you an opinion.
Is this a forum for boxing fans or just arrogant boxing "geniuses" ?
It is funny you are calling him the "tough guy" when you are the one who attacked him for stating his opinion.
Yes I asked him to call me a B****........I am also sure I stated inn my post lets leave out the comments on how he is dirty....Excuses for last nights reason for a winn ect....Did he reply to that?...No
This topic was merged......And the topic of my thread was where does he stand as an all time great and great of this era.......
not once did he reply to that....If he didn't want to reply to those questions..
Yes this is a form for fans but there is also a reason threads have topics.....that is how a form works
When you just go around posting a fighter is dirty...or sucks or is over rated without anything to go with it or back a statement up on why then that is called SPAM..........
Re: Where are B Hop and WInky in the p4p lists after their fight?
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Originally Posted by ryanman89
i would love to see hopkins-calzaghe.i believe that hopkins is the easiest of the 'super fights' for calzaghe.Kessler is the most dangerous opponenet for him,but without really knowing what goes on i can only guess that kessler is the only one that truly wanted to fight calzaghe.hopkins sure as hell dont want any of it!
Hopkins doesnt want any of it? ::** ???
Your crazy..
There is a reason why Bernard has made alot more money and has a legact ten times the size of Joes..
Its also about the size of his nuts..
Joe hasnt fought all the big names and is only just starting to while bernard has become a living legend
