Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by Mr140
Ok look i dont know much about Whitaker but i have watched alot of SRL and some PBF and if you are comparing who they beat SRL hands down wins it Wilfred Benitez, Roberto Duran, Thomas Hearns, and Marvin Hagler come on the PBF is undefeated but the best he beat was a old oscar a far form shot but still a old oscar its hard to compare SRL because he is the ALI of lower wieghts.
This thread was supposed to be about skills not who they beat otherwise i wouldn't have included Taylor.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Well they are way different when it comes to styles Ice it is kinda hard to compare i just through out who they beat beacause some brought it up earlier about what they acomplished
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Sorry bro...can't compare PBF with the greats yet. He has some business to take of at welterweights. He needs to beat these guys (Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Williams, Margarito) Not no 36 year old Baldomir. He needs to fight those in their prime. Take a chance at fighting a real slugger. Until then, their is no way he can be compared with SRL or any other great. Not yet. I hope he doesn't go on and says "I retire" after the Hatton fight. You know Larry Merchant is gonna ask him after the Hatton fight what about Mosley? what about Cotto? If he beats Hatton.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147.
With one sentance, you flushed all the credibility you may have had right down the crapper.
You guys are missing the point. We are not saying Floyd is as great as SRL. We are saying he has more TEXTBOOK boxing skills, not who was the better fighter.
And what the hell is with all of you romanticizing Sugar Ray Leonard. "Ohhh Floyd can't be compared to him, Floyd dodges everyone, SRL fought everyone!"
What the fuck? Is this the same SRL who ducked Aaron Pryor his whole career? The same SRL who retired instead of fighting Hagler, came back, won a controversial split decision against Hagler by RUNNING for 12 rounds (something you guys would CRUFICY Floyd for doing), and then retired and would never go near Hagler again? You guys talk like SRL was some kind of ultra male, but he had his history of shady shit and ducking people too.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147.
With one sentance, you flushed all the credibility you may have had right down the crapper.
You guys are missing the point. We are not saying Floyd is as great as SRL. We are saying he has more TEXTBOOK boxing skills, not who was the better fighter.
And what the hell is with all of you romanticizing Sugar Ray Leonard. "Ohhh Floyd can't be compared to him, Floyd dodges everyone, SRL fought everyone!"
What the F***? Is this the same SRL who ducked Aaron Pryor his whole career? The same SRL who retired instead of fighting Hagler, came back, won a controversial split decision against Hagler by RUNNING for 12 rounds (something you guys would CRUFICY Floyd for doing), and then retired and would never go near Hagler again? You guys talk like SRL was some kind of ultra male, but he had his history of shady S*** and ducking people too.
:coolclick: Mista Flicker ;) Agreed SRL got a few little questionable things in his career
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Two complete different fighters. Floyd is Floyd and Ray was Ray... Both very gifted but... Floyd's career will have more longetivy based on lack of competition or willingness to step up on Floyds part but...It looks as though Floyd is stepping up and he should do the following...
Fight Ricky = A Duran type Fighter
Fight Cotto = A Hagler like character
Fight Williams = A Hearns like creature
These fights will cement Floyd's legacy IMO.
If Floyd comes out of these fights unscaved, he could be fighting until he is 40 with his style. ;D
Ray took too much punishment and too many risks. Floyd don't take any punishment and he is not a risky fighter in the sense that Ray was.
Floyd is all business while Ray was more of an entertainer in the ring. Both very smart and went about fighting in their own way. Floyd's Defense is good but the tests are in the names above.
Ray would try to eat you up with flurries and secure rounds before the bell sounded and Floyd defends more while eating you up with pop shots thru and thru. Apples and oranges folks.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
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Originally Posted by Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147.
With one sentance, you flushed all the credibility you may have had right down the crapper.
You guys are missing the point. We are not saying Floyd is as great as SRL. We are saying he has more TEXTBOOK boxing skills, not who was the better fighter.
And what the hell is with all of you romanticizing Sugar Ray Leonard. "Ohhh Floyd can't be compared to him, Floyd dodges everyone, SRL fought everyone!"
What the F***? Is this the same SRL who ducked Aaron Pryor his whole career? The same SRL who retired instead of fighting Hagler, came back, won a controversial split decision against Hagler by RUNNING for 12 rounds (something you guys would CRUFICY Floyd for doing), and then retired and would never go near Hagler again? You guys talk like SRL was some kind of ultra male, but he had his history of shady S*** and ducking people too.
:coolclick: Mista Flicker ;) Agreed SRL got a few little questionable things in his career
On point with Pryor.
Pryor was a nightmare. He was the Joe Fraizer of his era. He would have gave Ray a war.
Ray retired becuase of the injury he sustained against Hearns.
He came out of retirement to fight Hagler and then Hagler retired and said he was disgusted and would never come back.
So, should Castillo have quit and retired? He was robbed against Floyd.
Fudge Hagler.
Sugar Ray/Hagler was a good fight. Ray won. Stop crying.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Sugar RAy Leonard finishes BIG, he knocks you out and punishes you AND thats against elite fighters TOO. Floyd Maywheater does not he just gets away with u.d and s.d with no elite fighters.
PLEASE STOP COMPARING FLOYD TO REAL GREATS....THANK YOU ;D
Floyd at lower weights would finish big i don't think you have seen enough Mayweather fights because in most fights he breaks down opponents with hard crisp punching and why can't i compare him to the greats because you dislike Mayweather ?? imo Mayweather is a great we have to find little clips of him actually being hit clean and you don't think thats a great ??
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I have seen most of floyds fights, yes he was better in the featherweight class but that doesn't make him a great like sugar ray leonard. Floyd beat chico and castillo(once) and draw or lost to castillo(once). floyd is another american fight that goes up weight to capture abc titles in a corrupted sport. Real great fighters would of embarrase slow no power baldomir, Real great fighters would of done what he said he'll do to oscar. Real great fighters would of took on hatton 3 years ago, not when its clear Hatton is the weakest of the best welterweights(shane,williams,margarito....I mean who can hatton beat amonst the best in welterweights now). If you want to talk about how great floyd is we can't just look at his best days in the lower weight class where he beat chico and castillo those two the best in his resume, but are not great fighters. He could of took on koysta, casamayor even freitas. Great fighters take on everyone, and great fighters take titles from champions. Not like how oscar and baldomir had to be the aggressor when its floyd thats suppose to take the title from thems since they are the champ. Its BULLSHIT one or two clean shot buys floyd a round and for the rest of the round he just avoids getting knock the fwock out.
Floyd is skilled but he ain't got that "it" factor that GREATS DO. nobody is going to remember a guy who beat chico, castillo, baldomir, oscar. All of those guys have an average lost of ......FOUR!!! come on now. Now he is taking on hatton undefeated but floyd is smart he knows he rather fight this guy then those tougher oppenents in 147. Fraud is not Great, I mean FLOYD. i ACTUALLY like floyd but since his fans are trying to say his a great like sugar ray, I got to say my part because its disrespectful to them real greats. Floyd may fool you guys but he ain't fooling me, I know his got skills but it take more then that to be GREAT.
Well Hatton has made bigger name for himself so the fight with Mayweather is even more of a risk for Mayweather now and yet again whole point of boxing is hit and not get hit but Floyd has proved he can brawl so i don't see why he has to keep doing it ?? thats not his fighting style and he has been in some exciting fights aswell.
The one thing floyd is truely good at is HANDPICKING OPPENENTS buddy ;)
I don't understand this at all.
Mayweather moved up to Oscars weight and and outboxed so he handpicked that fight ??
Corrales was 33-0 and was dangerous puncher this fight was consider 50-50 did he hand pick this fight ??
Jesus Chavez at 36-1 was considered dangerous he hand picked this fight ??
Jose Luis Castillo 45-4 was considered dangerous did he hand pick this fight ??
I could go on but i won't bother.
Why does every fighter have to be the aggressor to be great champion i don't understand that at all Whitaker was never the aggressor yet he is considered an all time great.
Ice im sorry dude but the Mayweather Corrales fight was not 50/50 Flyd was a 2/9 shot to win the fight, a heavy favourite, he is a great fighter, but not in SRL league imo.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Honest guys, not trying to be controversial, i rate prime Shane mosely, just as good as leonard and perhaps ahead of Floyd.Im speaking of Lightweight mosely thru to the mosely that beat De la hoya. I feel he would have beaten Floyd.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
Well mosley was a lighter wieght in his prime then leonard was so it hard for me to compare
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And as far as Ray ducking proyer i dont know much on that but he did face a prime hearns and Benitez and those guys are just as hard to beat so i dont know about that but i willl read on it.
Re: Is Floyd Mayweather The Most Textbook Skilled Fighter Since Sugar Ray Leonard ??
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Sugar Ray/Hagler was a good fight. Ray won. Stop crying.
Who's whining? I thought Ray gave a masterful performance and I had him winning.
I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in that no one bashed Ray Leonard for running and moving against Hagler, but when Floyd wins a fight by moving and using his slick defense, everyone shits on him.
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Well bean you have a point PBF does get dogged on for his style but the thing that he does do but ray did was he is not very exciting to watch ray looked exiting weither he ran or finished a guy but cc for going against the crowed because it takes two to have a debate.
