Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
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Having said that, I still pick Mosley by a SD over Cotto.
Well just have to wait and see. The boxing world is in for a big surprise after this fight. Age will be a big factor in this one. Do not bet on Mosley.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
Stupid thread,of course Shane is a big deal otherwise so many people would not be excited about this fight. So many variables,but I still favour Cotto. He just hits way too hard at 147,especially to the body and although Mosley has some pop too,I think Cotto's body attack will wear him down. Cotto's jab will give Mosley problems too.
Shane's speed will be important for him and will give Miguel trouble at times but I think Cotto can handle it. He handled Zabs speed fairly well,and Shane is not much faster than Za. Zab was also southpaw which made it more difficult,Shane isn't.
And Cotto's stamina has been awesome at 147,he was averaging about 80 punches a round v Zab and didn't seem that tired at all to me. Miguel wins this for me,too strong,too much pressure and as long as he uses his jab alot like he did v Zab to set up his shots,he'l do well for sure.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.
Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.
Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.
To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
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Originally Posted by amat
He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.
Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.
Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.
To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
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Originally Posted by amat
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
I love Cotto's aggressive pressure style - a lot - but SSM has the skill to frustrate Cotto. Mosley is no Judah or Malignaggi - this is easily the biggest test for Cotto.
I still say it can go either way.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
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Originally Posted by The Best there is, The Besat there was, and the Best there ever will be!
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Originally Posted by amat
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......
You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.
Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
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Originally Posted by zhubin
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Originally Posted by The Best there is, The Besat there was, and the Best there ever will be!
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Originally Posted by amat
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
Agree with you. Over 50% of the boxing world continue to under estimate Cotto's talent. They used to compare him with Gatti that he was just gonna be an exciting fighter to watch, then they said he was too slow for quintana, Mag and for Judah, and now they are saying that he has no chance what so ever at a Mosley because Mosley is fast and has a chin....... well let these people keep on underestimating his talent,speed, power and heart. They will see after this fight that Cotto is the real deal and faster than what many think. I continue to say, Cotto's fight mentality is alot like B-HOPS.....No matter what style to come to fight with......
You will fight their style of Fight and that seems to frustrate every fighter.
Doesn't matter if Cotto forces Shane to fight his style. Shane has the power and speed (not to mention the chin)....and Cotto has the an iffy chin....that if this become a brawl...Shane has the advantage there as well. As shown by Mosely's fights against Forrest and Wright...Shane has problems fighting fighters with a great jab and ones that use their range. Unless Shane grows old in this fight...he has too much skill and athleticism for Cotto...and when they exchange...Shane will be way faster and just as strong if not stronger. Speed trumps power. In this case you have speed AND power against a weak chin and a weak defense.
I think you're slightly under rating Cotto or over rating Mosley. You make no mention of Cotto's power which is comparable if not better than Shane's at WW. Zab was also way faster than Cotto. You also neglect to mention that Cotto was landing a superb jab v the southpaw Zab so I'm sure he would be able to land it v Mosley who has difficulties dealing with a good stiff jab as seen in the Vernon an WInky fights.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
I think you are overrating Cotto's jab...because it's not nearly the same as Winky's or Vernon's...two fighter who had way more range, reach, and size than Cotto. As far as me giving too much credit to Mosely's power...Shane is pound 4 pound of the strongest fighters in the sport. No doubt Cotto's strong...but Cotto's weak chin has been seriously wobbled by much less punchers than Shane. As far as the Judah comment...Zab's speed was giving Cotto plenty of trouble....but the classic Judah mental weakness, along with cheap shots to his groin, lost the fight for him.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
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Originally Posted by amat
He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.
Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.
Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.
To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
BALCO is the Bay Area lab that made the steroids "The cream" and "The clear", the owner is now in Prison but implicated in the thing was Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and a whole host of other elite athletes including Shane Mosley. Mosley ended up testifying about the thing and he fell off immediately after that came out.
And I hugely rate Cotto's skills, I like both Quintana and Malignaggi to come back and be champions but Cotto was better skilled then both of them especially Malignaggi. But Cotto did indeed prove better.
Mosley is a guy we KNOW will match Cotto in skill level. It's a very evenly matched fight imo, while even if they were seeming close matchups, Quintana and Malignaggi were never P4P champions. Wasn't discrediting either but this is obviously the best guy Cotto has ever faced.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by amat
He's a lot more then a big name, he's approaching pound for pound status yet again and that is if he isn't already.
Vargas may be a shot fighter, but the guy in front of you doesn't have to be Ray Robinson for you to look good. He was fast, accurate and punched in combinations again.
Then against Collazo he just looked excellent, sweeping a good fighter completely out. Shane hadn't been that good since before the Forrest bouts and before the BALCO stuff. It's been rough on Mosley, but he's done a good job in resurrecting his career.
To be honest I never thought he would return to form but he did and that's what makes this matchup so good. Can't wait, Cotto KO but this is the one, unlike Judah, that I'm not positively sure of. It's the first time Cotto has been in the ring with someone of his own skill level imo.
What is BALCO??? And I disagree,when the fight was made,people thought Quintana was more skilled than Cotto and would beat him. A similar situation with Paulie too,ALOT of people thought he would outbox Cotto.
BALCO is the Bay Area lab that made the steroids "The cream" and "The clear", the owner is now in Prison but implicated in the thing was Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and a whole host of other elite athletes including Shane Mosley. Mosley ended up testifying about the thing and he fell off immediately after that came out.
And I hugely rate Cotto's skills, I like both Quintana and Malignaggi to come back and be champions but Cotto was better skilled then both of them especially Malignaggi. But Cotto did indeed prove better.
Mosley is a guy we KNOW will match Cotto in skill level. It's a very evenly matched fight imo, while even if they were seeming close matchups, Quintana and Malignaggi were never P4P champions. Wasn't discrediting either but this is obviously the best guy Cotto has ever faced.
I never heard much about the BALCO affair at the time, do you know exactly what Mosley testified to, did he admit to using the clear etc??
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
Mosley testified but the only two who testified who's transcripts got out were Barry Bonds and Jason Giambi. I think it was 18 or 19 that testified that were athletes, so most we just don't know about what they said.
Mosley has always said in public though, that he never took anything.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
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Originally Posted by zhubin
I think you are overrating Cotto's jab...because it's not nearly the same as Winky's or Vernon's...two fighter who had way more range, reach, and size than Cotto. As far as me giving too much credit to Mosely's power...Shane is pound 4 pound of the strongest fighters in the sport. No doubt Cotto's strong...but Cotto's weak chin has been seriously wobbled by much less punchers than Shane. As far as the Judah comment...Zab's speed was giving Cotto plenty of trouble....but the classic Judah mental weakness, along with cheap shots to his groin, lost the fight for him.
Judah's speed gave Cotto trouble early in the fight. Just like every fight of Judah....unstopable in the first 4-5 rounds and then disappears after that. Cotto learned from the Mayweather-Judah, Tzyu-Judah fight that if you continue to pressure Judah...he will start fighting moving backwards or get beat.
You don't need a great jab to stop speed. You just need an accurate and consistant one. You have to know when to throw it. Cotto's jab isn't great but he uses to his advantage. He used it very smartly against Judah and will do the same against Mosley. He uses it enough to keep someone from getting flurrys on him and uses it to force fighters to the ropes so that he can work the body.
Go watch Oscar de la Hoya-Mosley 2. Oscar isn't known for a HOF jab, but he uses it smartly and to his advantage. Watch how easily Oscar controls most rounds with his jab early/mid in the fight. You don't need a great jab, you just need a consistent one.
Cotto has an advantage in reach. I believe he is a stroger fighter than Mosley. Especially at welterweight. Mosley would destroy Cotto and Mayweather at lightweight, but at welter, It's a whole new ball game.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name?
I can only remember how mosley tutored de la hoya.
Re: Is Shane Mosley really that big of a deal anymore, or is he just a big name??
i don't know why everyone is thinking of the shane from 154..he was too bulky and only threw one or two punches at a time...he seemed to feel as if because he'd added all the muscle that he could kayo the bigger guys, but being able to lift 400;bs doesn't mean kayo power although he did hurt winky in the second albeit winky dropped his hanbs he did hurt and wobble him...cotto is tough, but it will take more than toughness when starts to eat overhand rights as he tries to dig to the body..but if cotto beats shane then it will be the final coronation for the the new king...but if he loses he will be just another vargas...IMo
