Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.
As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.
I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.
"Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again".
A very stupid line, El Gamo, and not very funny.
He did better against than Marquez than you imagine. I started a thread about that fight and could you respond with a card of your own? No. But instead you told how Marquez was landing the harder punches down the stretch. Barrera held his own against Marquez and is near the top of his game. He believes he can win and would have not taken the fight if he didnt think he could win. I think he has every chance of pulling off a win. You are being the unrealistic sort by saying Manny wins by KO 100% ;)
Miles I'm with El gamo I think a 100% pacman will end mab again. Look man, watch how mabs speed have decrease, both him and jmm. Watch the fight again man, and then watch how fast and strong pac is in his recent fights. Solis isn't exactly anywhere near the level of jmm and mab but his undefeated nevertheless. Watch how fast and strong pac is in that fight, then watch how slow and aged jmm and mab look against eachother.
I just think Pac is too strong and even faster then how he was when he first demolish mab. Mabs chance of winning is lesser then before since he has waited for so long for this rematch, its true pac has gotten better and mab has only gotten worst. Even though a mab win to set up a trilogy would be great for the fans, but I don't think pac is going to let himself be beaten again.
I think if mab trys to box, the striaght left is going to make him jab more but once mab gets too aggressive a counter right hook from pac is going to get mab in serious trouble. Remember Mab couldn't stop pacs straight left before, now he also has to deal with a counter right hook. Can mab at this age neutralize two very fast dangerous weapons from pacman? And don't forget all those body shots pac throws while in close. You do'nt know FPJ but I'm sure thats where pac learned how to throw body shots from in close ;D
LOL! FPJ ;D
He used to beat the sh1t out of the Diaz brothers (Paquito and Romy).
yea thats my godfather rest his soul.
Yea I remember the Diaz brothers, Paquito was the man with that mustache with no teeth haha. I remember watching them as a kid, man they are old now and FPJ is already gone :(
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
Remember Roach also had a lot of concerns about Pacquiao before the Solis fight, saying he hadn't talked to Manny at all and this was like 2 months out.
MAB has pretty much been an underdog for every big fight he's had with the exception of the first Pacquiao bout and he has won pretty much everyone of them. It goes all the way back to the first Morales fight. He didn't get the decision versus JMM but I believe he won.
Now he's being written off perhaps more then he ever has before (which is ridiculous after the JMM fight), and if Roach is expressing concerns yet again then this isn't something you can just chalk up to "haters" Julius. Mayweather has more haters then anyone but you never hear anyone questioning where his head is or whether or not he is fully dedicated. This isn't the first time this has happened with Manny.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.
As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.
I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.
It's not often I completely disagree with your post, but this one had me scratching my head all the way through.
First off, MAB doesn't have the stomach to go to war? Are you kidding? MAB - JMM is FOTY for me, that was an absolute war and they literally went punch for punch, landing and throwing identical numbers. The reason he outboxed Juarez was because he could and he felt Juarez' power in the first bout, power that I think is tops in the division as far as one punch goes. So he outboxed him.
Manny 100% KTFO Mab? You mean the guy who couldn't get Oscar Larios out of their and had to wait for a cut to get Solis out is going to 100% KO one of the 3 best 129 lbers on the planet? 100%? It sounds like you're completely writing off MAB and I have no idea why, this ALWAYS happens and he ALWAYS comes out smelling like roses.
And it's not being realistic, anyone who watched MAB - Manny saw that MAB just had never seen anyone like Manny and didn't know how to react. Now, not only has MAB seen Manny, he's seen him beat. He's seen that he can be countered and out moved on his feet, two things MAB is great at.
I think Manny is going to have a bit to much for MAB but this won't be the domination it was last time unless MAB is just a shot fighter. And anyone who watched him battle JMM knows that he is NOT a shot fighter. He isn't going to be overwhelmed like he was last time.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by amat
Remember Roach also had a lot of concerns about Pacquiao before the Solis fight, saying he hadn't talked to Manny at all and this was like 2 months out.
MAB has pretty much been an underdog for every big fight he's had with the exception of the first Pacquiao bout and he has won pretty much everyone of them. It goes all the way back to the first Morales fight. He didn't get the decision versus JMM but I believe he won.
Now he's being written off perhaps more then he ever has before (which is ridiculous after the JMM fight), and if Roach is expressing concerns yet again then this isn't something you can just chalk up to "haters" Julius. Mayweather has more haters then anyone but you never hear anyone questioning where his head is or whether or not he is fully dedicated. This isn't the first time this has happened with Manny.
exactly this isn't the first time it has happen but has pac came into a fight unprepared and unconditioned??? I just feel like everyone is quick to jump on pac when they feel his doing other things beside boxing. i mean he always come into a fight more conditioned then anybody, its not like he comes into a fight like james toney fat and farting all over the place.
anybody can admit nobody has more distraction outside the ring than pac, but has it affected him inside the ring? NOpe!!!!!!! Let pac handle his business before people start judging his dedication. Come back and judge him if he ever comes to a fight uncondtioned and unprepared.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.
As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.
I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.
It's not often I completely disagree with your post, but this one had me scratching my head all the way through.
First off, MAB doesn't have the stomach to go to war? Are you kidding? MAB - JMM is FOTY for me, that was an absolute war and they literally went punch for punch, landing and throwing identical numbers. The reason he outboxed Juarez was because he could and he felt Juarez' power in the first bout, power that I think is tops in the division as far as one punch goes. So he outboxed him.
Manny 100% KTFO Mab? You mean the guy who couldn't get Oscar Larios out of their and had to wait for a cut to get Solis out is going to 100% KO one of the 3 best 129 lbers on the planet? 100%? It sounds like you're completely writing off MAB and I have no idea why, this ALWAYS happens and he ALWAYS comes out smelling like roses.
And it's not being realistic, anyone who watched MAB - Manny saw that MAB just had never seen anyone like Manny and didn't know how to react.
Now, not only has MAB seen Manny, he's seen him beat. He's seen that he can be countered and out moved on his feet, two things MAB is great at.
I think Manny is going to have a bit to much for MAB but this won't be the domination it was last time unless MAB is just a shot fighter. And anyone who watched him battle JMM knows that he is NOT a shot fighter. He isn't going to be overwhelmed like he was last time.
Which fight was that? Pac-JMM?.. Before the TKO Velasquez? UD Larios? TKO Morales 2? KO Morales 3? KO Solis?
Pac has more arsenals now and has gotten better with his skills.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by Julius Rain
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.
As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.
I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.
"Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again".
A very stupid line, El Gamo, and not very funny.
He did better against than Marquez than you imagine. I started a thread about that fight and could you respond with a card of your own? No. But instead you told how Marquez was landing the harder punches down the stretch. Barrera held his own against Marquez and is near the top of his game. He believes he can win and would have not taken the fight if he didnt think he could win. I think he has every chance of pulling off a win. You are being the unrealistic sort by saying Manny wins by KO 100% ;)
Miles I'm with El gamo I think a 100% pacman will end mab again. Look man, watch how mabs speed have decrease, both him and jmm. Watch the fight again man, and then watch how fast and strong pac is in his recent fights. Solis isn't exactly anywhere near the level of jmm and mab but his undefeated nevertheless. Watch how fast and strong pac is in that fight, then watch how slow and aged jmm and mab look against eachother.
I just think Pac is too strong and even faster then how he was when he first demolish mab. Mabs chance of winning is lesser then before since he has waited for so long for this rematch, its true pac has gotten better and mab has only gotten worst. Even though a mab win to set up a trilogy would be great for the fans, but I don't think pac is going to let himself be beaten again.
I think if mab trys to box, the striaght left is going to make him jab more but once mab gets too aggressive a counter right hook from pac is going to get mab in serious trouble. Remember Mab couldn't stop pacs straight left before, now he also has to deal with a counter right hook. Can mab at this age neutralize two very fast dangerous weapons from pacman? And don't forget all those body shots pac throws while in close. You do'nt know FPJ but I'm sure thats where pac learned how to throw body shots from in close ;D
LOL! FPJ ;D
He used to beat the sh1t out of the Diaz brothers (Paquito and Romy).
hahahaha.. i remember that... a four punch combination to the midsection then a cymbals to the ears.. hahaha.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by amat
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
Ahahaha,yeah I guess that's what it is,me being a Morales fan. It's not just that though, it was clear from the first Juarez fight,MAB does not have the fire in his stomach to go to war anymore. And I don't think he can outbox someone like Manny for 12 rounds. He couldn't outbox the counter puncher turned pressure fighter JMM.
As for the Morales fight,well Morales fighting style is totally different to MAB. Also, MAB waited how many years before a rematch?? His skills have only dwindled over time and Manny's have improved. Manny 100% will KTFO MAB again. If not,MAB has a chance but a small one imo.
I don't think it's under estimating,it's being realistic.Look at all the factors I've mentioned,it makes Manny a hot favourite and he has only improved since their first fight,MAB has not.
It's not often I completely disagree with your post, but this one had me scratching my head all the way through.
First off, MAB doesn't have the stomach to go to war? Are you kidding? MAB - JMM is FOTY for me, that was an absolute war and they literally went punch for punch, landing and throwing identical numbers. The reason he outboxed Juarez was because he could and he felt Juarez' power in the first bout, power that I think is tops in the division as far as one punch goes. So he outboxed him.
Manny 100% KTFO Mab? You mean the guy who couldn't get Oscar Larios out of their and had to wait for a cut to get Solis out is going to 100% KO one of the 3 best 129 lbers on the planet? 100%? It sounds like you're completely writing off MAB and I have no idea why, this ALWAYS happens and he ALWAYS comes out smelling like roses.
And it's not being realistic, anyone who watched MAB - Manny saw that MAB just had never seen anyone like Manny and didn't know how to react. Now, not only has MAB seen Manny, he's seen him beat. He's seen that he can be countered and out moved on his feet, two things MAB is great at.
I think Manny is going to have a bit to much for MAB but this won't be the domination it was last time unless MAB is just a shot fighter. And anyone who watched him battle JMM knows that he is NOT a shot fighter. He isn't going to be overwhelmed like he was last time.
Very good posting :coolclick:
Barrera is the underdog and as you point out...it isnt for the first time.
Ive heard a lot of silly arguments such as a) Barrera is fighting just for the money b) Barrera is 100% getting knocked out c) Pac is nigh on indestructable
All 3 arguments are utter tripe and show a complete lack of understanding of both of the fighters involved. I am a Barrera fan but above all a boxing fan. I am glad that this fight is taking place. Pac will be the favourite and I respect why this is the case. Barrera has a tough task but Barrera is such a smart boxer. Its highly unlikely he will perform worse second time out.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
in boxing, when you have the skills you can turn the table upside down. we don't know if it's MAB's time to turn the table upside down.
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
well, we dont know what manny is doing but he better get his act straight and he better know what the heck he's doing or he's gonna make a fool out of himself come fightnight
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by brucelee
in boxing, when you have the skills you can turn the table upside down. we don't know if it's MAB's time to turn the table upside down.
Exactly. We just dont know for sure. Thats why its irritating to hear things like "Barrera is 100% getting knocked out" or Barrera is to old and in it for the paycheck.
By my reckoning against Marquez, Barrera was the sharpest he has been in the opening rounds. He was boxing beautifully. Barrera did enough to steal a decision in that fight. I think a lot of people have those exciting 2nd and 3rd fights Morales fights in their heads and automatically assume that because Marco has been stopped already then its automatically gonna happen again. Barrera held his own against Marquez. And is now coming into this.
I wont make any outlandish predictions because I know this is a fight that can go either way. But I do think Barrera has the capacity to pull off an upset. Admittedly, Im aware that if Barrera doesnt get it right then he is in for a tough, tough night.
Either way, I anticipate a very exciting fight. ;)
Re: What the heck is Manny doing?
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Originally Posted by miles
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Originally Posted by brucelee
in boxing, when you have the skills you can turn the table upside down. we don't know if it's MAB's time to turn the table upside down.
Exactly. We just dont know for sure. Thats why its irritating to hear things like "Barrera is 100% getting knocked out" or Barrera is to old and in it for the paycheck.
By my reckoning against Marquez, Barrera was the sharpest he has been in the opening rounds. He was boxing beautifully. Barrera did enough to steal a decision in that fight. I think a lot of people have those exciting 2nd and 3rd fights Morales fights in their heads and automatically assume that because Marco has been stopped already then its automatically gonna happen again. Barrera held his own against Marquez. And is now coming into this.
I wont make any outlandish predictions because I know this is a fight that can go either way. But I do think Barrera has the capacity to pull off an upset. Admittedly, Im aware that if Barrera doesnt get it right then he is in for a tough, tough night.
Either way, I anticipate a very exciting fight. ;)
People who says Barrera is "100% getting knocked out" may not know anything in boxing. The man is a legendary fighter. The way I saw him fight Marquez, I could say that he could give an upset. Barrera and Larios are very far in terms of skills and endurance. If LArios made a scare to the PACMAN, how much more Barrera?
PACMAN vs MAB will really be very exciting fro me.
